Why Are Masks Triggering Conflict and Rage?

[jollybear]

One major difference:

FLu: You get the flu and if you get over it, 99% of the time you move on with your life.

Covid: You get Covid and if you get over it, you have a high percentage chance of long term (possibly permanent) damage to your lungs, brain, kidneys, or heart.

No proof for that.

 

[Mayzoo]

Define acute (medical)--Acute vs. chronic conditions: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia Image.

Long term damage:

Neurologic (& Brain):

Immediate and long-term consequences of COVID-19 infections for the development of neurological disease

Long-Term Neurological Threats of COVID-19: A Call to Update the Thinking About the Outcomes of the Coronavirus Pandemic

Pulmonary:
Pulmonary fibrosis secondary to COVID-19: a call to arms?

Long term respiratory complications of covid-19

Cardiovascular:
Persistent Symptoms in Patients After Acute COVID-19

Cardiovascular disease and COVID-19

Kidney:
COVID-19 Pandemic Causing Acute Kidney Injury and Impact on Patients With Chronic Kidney Disease and Renal Transplantation

Acute Kidney Injury in COVID-19: Emerging Evidence of a Distinct Pathophysiology

Gerenral:

https://www.pennmedicine.org/update...19-treating-the-long-term-effects-of-sarscov2

Persistent Symptoms in Patients After Acute COVID-19

 

[jollybear]

Define acute (medical)--Acute vs. chronic conditions: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia Image.

Long term damage:

Neurologic (& Brain):

Immediate and long-term consequences of COVID-19 infections for the development of neurological disease

Long-Term Neurological Threats of COVID-19: A Call to Update the Thinking About the Outcomes of the Coronavirus Pandemic

Pulmonary:

Long term respiratory complications of covid-19

Cardiovascular:
Persistent Symptoms in Patients After Acute COVID-19

Cardiovascular disease and COVID-19

Kidney:
COVID-19 Pandemic Causing Acute Kidney Injury and Impact on Patients With Chronic Kidney Disease and Renal Transplantation

Acute Kidney Injury in COVID-19: Emerging Evidence of a Distinct Pathophysiology

Gerenral:

https://www.pennmedicine.org/update...19-treating-the-long-term-effects-of-sarscov2

Persistent Symptoms in Patients After Acute COVID-19

I already read links you gave me before. The links spewed assumptions. Assumptions aren't proof.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Oh, hey, we hadn't seen the "covid is just like the flu (if you ignore all the facts about it)" argument yet. Do proceed, I need the laugh.

I always got the flu vaccine. Of course I now have autism, cancer, diabetes, dementia, and a strange desire to purchase Microsoft products and send checks to Bill Gates, but other than these minor side effects, I never wore a mask or got the flu.

 

[KCfromNC]

Never said covid19 was just like the flu. My question in itself pretty much distinguished it.

Did you wear a mask before covid19 during flu season?

I'm not sure of the relevance. Which public health experts were recommending wearing one during flu season to help prevent the spread of a novel pandemic?

And I'm scared to even bring up the mention that there's a flu vaccine for fear of hearing about anti-vaxx propaganda.

 

[KCfromNC]

I always got the flu vaccine. Of course I now have autism, cancer, diabetes, dementia, and a strange desire to purchase Microsoft products and send checks to Bill Gates, but other than these minor side effects, I never wore a mask or got the flu.

I think the more relevant point - do you still have your FREEDOM, or was is infected by SOCIALISM! ?

 

[Nithavela]

I'm not sure of the relevance. Which public health experts were recommending wearing one during flu season to help prevent the spread of a novel pandemic?

And I'm scared to even bring up the mention that there's a flu vaccine for fear of hearing about anti-vaxx propaganda.

Maybe we should have worn masks during flu season for a long time. Maybe we should start now. In many asian countries, this is completely normal behaviour.

I think I just might continue wearing masks even when it's no longer mandated. I'll certainly keep a supply in my home for the rest of my life.

 

[KCfromNC]

I already read links you gave me before. The links spewed assumptions.

Which assumptions did they make, and which ones of those do you disagree with?

I mean, after thoroughly studying the 11 links in under 3 minutes I'm sure you have a well thought out and researched rebuttal to each and every bit of information in them.

 

[jollybear]

I'm not sure of the relevance. Which public health experts were recommending wearing one during flu season to help prevent the spread of a novel pandemic?

Did you wear masks during flu season and before covid19 came on the scene? Yes or no?

And I'm scared to even bring up the mention that there's a flu vaccine for fear of hearing about anti-vaxx propaganda

Apparently you can still spread the flu or other viruses (not referring to covid19) despite getting the flu shot.

Can You Still Spread the Flu After Getting the Flu Vaccine? | Sharonville Family Medicine!

So, did you wear a mask before covid19 during flu season, yes or no?

Which assumptions did they make, and which ones of those do you disagree with?

Already dealt with this in prior posts when he first provided me links. I read each one that time and for shortness purposes I quoted an exerpt from one article pointing out the Presumptions and yet it was handwoven away without rebuttal.

I mean, after thoroughly studying the 11 links in under 3 minutes I'm sure you have a well thought out and researched rebuttal to each and every bit of information in them.

Why should i bother putting in all that time when I gave a spoon feed posts back and it was handwaved away without rebuttal?

 

[KCfromNC]

Did you wear masks during flu season and before covid19 came on the scene? Yes or no?

Why does it matter? For it to be a relevant parallel to this thread not only would I have to have not worn a mask, I'd also have had to pretend that doing so against the advice of medical professionals was because I fell for simplistic rhetoric about a niave definition of freedom which falls apart at the slightest bit of thought. And then in response, rather than be willing to discuss the flaws in my understanding of how rights actually work in a secular democracy, try to bring up some totally unrelated point about a completely different situation.

Good luck demonstrating I did that in the past. If you can't, then it really has no bearing on the current discussion.

Apparently you can still spread the flu or other viruses (not referring to covid19) despite getting the flu shot.

Can You Still Spread the Flu After Getting the Flu Vaccine? | Sharonville Family Medicine!

I doubt anyone who has the slightest bit of understanding thinks the flu vaccine is perfect. Black and white thinking rarely seems to help with understanding reality.

Why should i bother putting in all that time when I gave a spoon feed posts back and it was handwaved away without rebuttal?

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[jayem]

Other viruses can kill people. If you did not wear a mask before covid19 then you have no right to tell me I have to wear one to save anyone's life now from Covid-19.

OK. But a private business can require that you wear a mask if you patronize it in person. In my neck of the woods, every retail establishment, office, and other facility open to the general public requires a mask to enter. If that offends you, then don't go into those places.

 

[Kalevalatar]

OK. But a private business can require that you wear a mask if you patronize it in person. In my neck of the woods, every retail establishment, office, and other facility open to the general public requires a mask to enter. If that offends you, then don't go into those places.

As a woman, would it be ok and would I be free to enter an American retail establishment, office, restaurant topless and naked from waist up? Stark naked? The same people who are so furiously offended by public breastfeeding of a hungry baby with barely any flesh in sight are largely the same people now up in arms to demand mask, are they? Or are they the ones to loudest claim freedom not to wear a mask and their right to enter private businesses maskless? If it is their right to go maskless wherever they well please, isn't it my right to go topless wherever I well please? After all, their unimpended aerosols can potentially infect and kill me, whereas my unimpended mammary glands can't and won't spread disease and death.

 

[Mayzoo]

The non-maskers are very selective in the freedoms they support:

1. It has to be their freedom for it to matter.
2. Shirt and shoe ordinances are fine, masks are not.
3. Seat belt laws are ok (now that they are accustomed to them)
4. They do not want others to be free to safely leave their homes to perform essential tasks
5. They do not want others to be free to drive impeeded
6. They do not want others to have the freedom to add ingredients to their food
7. Laws or EOs banning access to parts of the internet are fine.

It is an extremely narrow scope of freedoms they are "fighting for." They do not wish to be "uncomfortable" to aid in the preservation of the lives and wellbeing of others.

Anything you do to make them uncomfortable likely falls into this category of infringing on their freedom, but anything they do to make you uncomfortable (or in peril) is acceptable as they should be free.

 

[Kalevalatar]

The non-maskers are very selective in the freedoms they support:

1. It has to be their freedom for it to matter.
2. Shirt and shoe ordinances are fine, masks are not.
3. Seat belt laws are ok (now that they are accustomed to them)
4. They do not want others to be free to safely leave their homes to perform essential tasks
5. They do not want others to be free to drive impeeded
6. They do not want others to have the freedom to add ingredients to their food
7. Laws or EOs banning access to parts of the internet are fine.

It is an extremely narrow scope of freedoms they are "fighting for." They do not wish to be "uncomfortable" to aid in the preservation of the lives and wellbeing of others.

Anything you do to make them uncomfortable likely falls into this category of infringing on their freedom, but anything they do to make you uncomfortable (or in peril) is acceptable as they should be free.

Yes. It is not about freedom or rights. It is about nonsense. Petulant nonsense and nothing else.

 

[Nithavela]

The non-maskers are very selective in the freedoms they support:

1. It has to be their freedom for it to matter.
2. Shirt and shoe ordinances are fine, masks are not.
3. Seat belt laws are ok (now that they are accustomed to them)
4. They do not want others to be free to safely leave their homes to perform essential tasks
5. They do not want others to be free to drive impeeded
6. They do not want others to have the freedom to add ingredients to their food
7. Laws or EOs banning access to parts of the internet are fine.

It is an extremely narrow scope of freedoms they are "fighting for." They do not wish to be "uncomfortable" to aid in the preservation of the lives and wellbeing of others.

Anything you do to make them uncomfortable likely falls into this category of infringing on their freedom, but anything they do to make you uncomfortable (or in peril) is acceptable as they should be free.

Isn't that what freedom is all about? Trampling on others without repercussion?

 

[Mayzoo]

Isn't that what freedom is all about? Trampling on others without repercussion?

Depends on who you ask I guess .

 

[Mayzoo]

Yes. It is not about freedom or rights. It is about nonsense. Petulant nonsense and nothing else.

They want all their "freedoms" respected/honored even when their "freedoms" deny others of their "freedoms", health or life.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I propose that the anti-maskers be heretofore known as "AntiMa".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/20/sesame-place-mask-assault/

 

[ArmenianJohn]

As a woman, would it be ok and would I be free to enter an American retail establishment, office, restaurant topless and naked from waist up? Stark naked? The same people who are so furiously offended by public breastfeeding of a hungry baby with barely any flesh in sight are largely the same people now up in arms to demand mask, are they? Or are they the ones to loudest claim freedom not to wear a mask and their right to enter private businesses maskless? If it is their right to go maskless wherever they well please, isn't it my right to go topless wherever I well please? After all, their unimpended aerosols can potentially infect and kill me, whereas my unimpended mammary glands can't and won't spread disease and death.

In almost every state in America women are legally allowed to go topless anywhere that a man can go topless.

 

[jollybear]

Why does it matter? For it to be a relevant parallel to this thread not only would I have to have not worn a mask, I'd also have had to pretend that doing so against the advice of medical professionals was because I fell for simplistic rhetoric about a niave definition of freedom which falls apart at the slightest bit of thought. And then in response, rather than be willing to discuss the flaws in my understanding of how rights actually work in a secular democracy, try to bring up some totally unrelated point about a completely different situation.

Good luck demonstrating I did that in the past. If you can't, then it really has no bearing on the current discussion.



I doubt anyone who has the slightest bit of understanding thinks the flu vaccine is perfect. Black and white thinking rarely seems to help with understanding reality.

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If you did not wear a mask during flu seasons past before covid19 showed up on the scene, that is inconsistent and inconsistent means you are wrong because other viruses kill people too, not just covid19.

OK. But a private business can require that you wear a mask if you patronize it in person. In my neck of the woods, every retail establishment, office, and other facility open to the general public requires a mask to enter. If that offends you, then don't go into those places.

Sounds like coercion. If there's no alternatives then this is coercion. They dont own my face.