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Do you really care about others or just yourself as a Christian

  • I just care about me and my freedom, ain't wearing no mask

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you keep saying that, but you are responsible it's called being a adult and living in society.

You can call it being an adult and living in society all you want but that dont mean i or anyone else is responsible for your life or your health and you or anyonr else is not responsible for mine either. I am, its called freedom of choice and risk. And you are for yours, its called self restriction and taking no risk (i.e. living in a bubble).

Your killing people with your own ignorance, you may think you get away with it, but I doubt gods going to accept your arguments if you end up killing people over selfish childish behavior. 1400 people dying a day because people like you are acting like children.

Nope, God gives freedom and yes, God judges murder, but this IS NOT MURDER. If you or anyone tries however to rob the freedom God gave then God shall judge you. Keep that one in mind. God created our immune system. He created our nose filters. He created life and liberty. So live and let live. Or be miserable in your bubble and let others live.

Oh grow up I said I might be, covids never hit my town yet so it's unlikly, but the point is, whose more responsible for deaths. Someone that does everything right but something goes wrong, or the other person that acts recklessly and does everything wrong?

People are dying and you couldn't care who you kill.

Ok, wait a minute. A MIGHT be could turn into a absolutely NO BE if you took even greater stringent, radical precautions. Such as a hasmat suite and spreys and never leave your house.

So, why wont you do that? You don't know if youl kill anyone if you dont. So if you dont do these more radical precautions then should you be arrested?
 
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If i FEEL sick, I stay home and recover.

If i am sick but don't know it, yea, then it can spread. If others want to live in a bubble THEY can do that, not me.

As I said, I hope no business let's you in without a mask.

People like you need to feel the consequences for your irresponsible behavior.
 
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If i FEEL sick, I stay home and recover.

If i am sick but don't know it, yea, then it can spread. If others want to live in a bubble THEY can do that, not me.
Just like if others want to live in a society where businesses refuse service to irresponsible people who don't want to wear masks, they can also do THAT. Seems like an easy solution - if people who refuse to wear masks suddenly find that they're unable to buy food and gasoline, I imagine the problem will quickly solve itself.
 
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As I said, I hope no business let's you in without a mask.

People like you need to feel the consequences for your irresponsible behavior.

The consequences won't make me believe im wrong nor selfish. The whole world is wrong and selfish and or stupid to give up there freedoms. Land of the free, HOME OF THE BRAVE? What a joke.

Just like if others want to live in a society where businesses refuse service to irresponsible people who don't want to wear masks, they can also do THAT.

Yea, they can refuse service. Its wrong, but sure. But some businesses won't refuse service. Heck, some businesses can refuse service if you DO WEAR A MASK. As a counter culture response. Cudos to them.

And I thought you agreed with me that I'm not responsible? Now your saying I am?

Seems like an easy solution - if people who refuse to wear masks suddenly find that they're unable to buy food and gasoline, I imagine the problem will quickly solve itself.

No, thats not how to solve it. The way to solve it is governments leave the businesses alone and the businesses decide there own policy on masks. That, or civil war.
 
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Also I disagree with the vote options above.

Thats why I haven't voted. I dont believe Jesus would wear a mask or require it at all. Yet Jesus did care about people.

Leapers by law wer to declare "unclean" when coming close to a crowd. And they wer to avoid crowds.

Jesus did the most "irresponsible" thing and went up to them and TOUCHED them. My goodness, what a terrible Lord he is, eh? He dont care about the other crowds he could spread leprosy too. He dont lead by example for us, eh? (Sarcasm).
 
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Also I disagree with the vote options above.

Thats why I haven't voted. I dont believe Jesus would wear a mask or require it at all. Yet Jesus did care about people.

Leapers by law wer to declare "unclean" when coming close to a crowd. And they wer to avoid crowds.

Jesus did the most "irresponsible" thing and went up to them and TOUCHED them. My goodness, what a terrible Lord he is, eh? He dont care about the other crowds he could spread leprosy too. He dont lead by example for us, eh? (Sarcasm).

you don't get to say what jesus would or wouldn't do while advocating for killing people out of selfishness, those like you have lost all rights to say anything about morality, as you have shown you have none.
 
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In a similar way, face masks are tied to the political conflict over our response to the coronavirus. Those who lean left politically tend to see the virus as a more dire threat; those on the right are more likely to downplay its seriousness or compare it to less deadly strains like the flu, often following the lead of conservative politicians.

Accordingly, masks may be seen as a marker of political loyalty, triggering feelings of us-versus-them. A politically liberal person may assume that someone wearing a mask is “on their team,” while those who don’t wear masks must be Fox News-watching Republicans. The anger they feel is not simply about the mask, but about believing the non-mask wearer is a certain type of person.

On the flip side, the politically conservative might interpret calls for masks as politically-driven efforts to play up the seriousness of the coronavirus. Being asked to don a mask then becomes not just a request to protect the health of others, but to give up their worldview and political allegiance. It may feel like asking a Red Sox fan to put on a Yankees jersey.

And ... you swing to the left. I don't. :wave:
 
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you don't get to say what jesus would or wouldn't do while advocating for killing people out of selfishness, those like you have lost all rights to say anything about morality, as you have shown you have none.

You haven't answered my questions. And you keep reinstating your position like an authoritarian does without using reasoning.

I gave a legitimate point about Jesus and you flat out ignore it. Just like how a real tyrant would respond.

Its not me that lacks morality, its you.

Answer my former questions and address the point about jesus.
 
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You haven't answered my questions. And you keep reinstating your position like an authoritarian does without using reasoning.

I gave a legitimate point about Jesus and you flat out ignore it. Just like how a real tyrant would respond.

Its not me that lacks morality, its you.

Answer my former questions and address the point about jesus.

Unless you are a god and can heal people just by touch like Jesus can, what Jesus did or did not do in that situation holds little relevance to what you should do. Either prove you actually have healing powers or drop this point since it doesn’t deal with the reality of the situation.

You complete apathy for your fellow humans’ well being is frightening. The fact that you know there is a possibility you could unwittingly spread a potential deadly disease to someone and won’t take simple precautions to reduce that possibility is selfish. Sadly I’ve grown to expect nothing better from Christians. This kind of attitude makes me think Christians are lying about being the Religion of Love.
 
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Unless you are a god and can heal people just by touch like Jesus can, what Jesus did or did not do in that situation holds little relevance to what you should do.

Actually I won't drop the point because its irrelevant that he was a incarnate God in human form because he himself said that we could do what he did. So, ya, I will not drop the point. Plus the bible also says "if you trust in God you shall not fear the plague that stalks in the night or the arrow that flies by day".

Either prove you actually have healing powers or drop this point since it doesn’t deal with the reality of the situation.

You complete apathy for your fellow humans’ well being is frightening.

You can preach it till your blue in the face. I KNOW for a FACT I'm not the selfish one. Its all you that are. You have complete disregard to unify with freedom fighters to preserve all of our freedoms. YOUR selfish.

The fact that you know there is a possibility you could unwittingly spread a potential deadly disease to someone and won’t take simple precautions to reduce that possibility is selfish. Sadly I’ve grown to expect nothing better from Christians. This kind of attitude makes me think Christians are lying about being the Religion of Love.

You have tipped love, selfishness totally upside down on its head. Thats what Satan does, tips the cross upside down.

And ill ask you the same question I asked the other person and they refused to answer.

If you believe these precautions are the act of love, then why don't you take more radical precautions like wearing a hasmat suite and or totally stay home in order to guarantee 100% that you'll kill no one?

Also, did you take these precautions with the regular flu before all this coronavirus came on the world scene? If not, then by your standard how are you consistently acting in love? So now your not only selfish but your a hypocrite too. What a great combination.
 
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If i am sick but don't know it, yea, then it can spread.
It appears then.... that you have no concern about how many people you may infect while being a carrier during your incubation period. Nice.
 
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No, thats not how to solve it. The way to solve it is governments leave the businesses alone and the businesses decide there own policy on masks.

I don't see why they should get to choose that any more than they get to choose whether their employees wash their hands after going to the bathroom.

That, or civil war.

Yeah, uh huh. Sure.
 
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No, thats not how to solve it. The way to solve it is governments leave the businesses alone and the businesses decide there own policy on masks. That, or civil war.

Fantasizing about civil war is a bit odd considering you're part of the minority. You would lose anyway just like the South did back in the day.
 
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Lets keep this in context. If I get sick, I hold NO ONE LIABLE FOR IT, period. I took the risk, period. Case closed.

This has nothing to do with a off grid home. I am not responsible for anyone getting sick. If they get sick, its on them.

No, its not exactly like that at all. And this distracts from the issue. The drunk driver knows he's drunk. In the case of a asymptomatic person, they dont know, plus the others can take precautions. So its more like a person on the road who is not drunk, but goes over the speed limit, like most everyone else does, and that fearfull person can take precautions and avoid them or just stay off the road and live in there little bubble. But again, using illustrations isn't addressing the issues of this subject.
Drunk drivers don't always know that they're drunk. Someone can be legally drunk and not show symptoms. The point is that there are rules we all follow regardless of symptoms because we have to have some responsibility for how we affect others. The person who prepares your food in a restaurant or in the store you buy it from has to follow certain standards like hand-washing even if they think their hands are clean and they show no symptoms of being sick. You wouldn't hold the person who prepared your food liable if they prepared it after going to the bathroom and not washing their hands? Somehow I can't believe that. That's why public health standards and regulations exist. There needs to be reasonable expectations of how people behave when they are interacting with other people. The blame shouldn't go on the victim of someone else's negligence.

Sorry but I dont live with these OTHER people. I'm on the same planet as they are, but I dont live with them and I'm not responsible for them.
Unless you're living off the grid then you absolutely do "live with these OTHER people". They have certain responsibilities in regards to your safety and you have certain responsibilities in regards to their safety. You can claim your denial of this all you like but it's a fact and it's reality.

The benefits are from a free market of peoples services and products. And some of those people are diverse in there views, even on this. What it sounds like your saying is with the government comes benefits and therefore I'm responsible to there tyranny to keep getting these benefits. Well again, sorry, but NO IM NOT responsible to bow to there tyranny. And our benefits dont come from them, in fact THEY usually destroy those benefits even to themselves because tyranny is stupid.
I didn't say "government", I said "society". With a society comes benefits AND responsibilities. You're responsible to the society from which you benefit.

I don't know where you're getting 'tyranny' from, nobody brought up tyranny. If you perceive responsibility as tyranny then go live where there is no society, out in the wilderness, off the grid. It's that simple. If you want to participate in society on any level then you must have responsibility towards that society in exchange for the benefits you receive from that society. If all you want is power from the grid, then that's fine, but you have a responsibility to compensate the society that is providing you power by paying that company. If you want to do business with the society and the members of that society then you have to take on the responsibility of living with the people you're doing business with in that society.

But I can tell from your use of the word 'tyranny' that you don't understand the word. There are Christians in this world who live under REAL tyranny, who are persecuted and killed for their faith. Calling mere social responsibility 'tyranny' is an affront to the experience of real Christians around the world.

Actually I'm not the one imposing my ideas on you, its all you imposing yours on me.
No, you actually are imposing your ideology on me and everyone in society.

I'm not telling you to NOT wear a mask or not socially distance am I? No im not. I would recommend you not but I'm not imposing my idea on you if you fear this virus and if you believe the precautions work then go right ahead, fill your boots. But its YOU thats doing the impossing.
You are telling the society in which you choose to live that they have no right to maintain their public safety and health standards. You could make the same argument about seat belts, that you are not asking anyone to wear a seat belt and that it's 'tyranny' for society to tell you you have to wear a seat belt. Of course, that would be just as wrong. Society (and the government that governs it) does well to defend the rights of its members. That's what wearing seat belts or masks (or shirts or shoes) does for the individuals in a society.

Now, if you really took responsibility for yourself only you would simply leave such a society and go live where you can deal with little or none of these rules and regulations. You can homestead in the wilderness, off the grid, and never have to do anything. But as long as there are people around you in any aspect of your life then you have a responsibility towards them just as they have responsibilities towards you. The whole reason you "own" anything at all in your life is because society makes it happen. Society says that property and land ownership are your right. Society enforces your rights by providing police and courts so that you can protect your ownership rights. If not, then you'd be left to defend your property and with certainty someone bigger and stronger than you would come along and take everything you have. Maybe make you his vassal or serf. What prevents that is society.

Tyranny can come from government and sometimes it comes also from the mob majority. Either way the imposors are the tyrants. Thats a FACT. The world needs to live and let live.
That's not a fact, that's a lie. Tyranny is not government. Government is instituted by God. Romans 13 explains it clearly - I don't know if you believe God's Word on this but here's what God says in His Holy Word:
Romans 13
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

Now, if you can show me Biblically how earthly government is "tyranny" for enforcing God's justice then please feel free. From what I see, earthly government is not "tyranny" but rather God's ordained ministers unto His Justice and rebellion against them brings damnation upon the rebel.
 
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Why are masks causing conflict and rage?

Because some clearly do not (or choose to not) understand Christ's commands of compassion and charitableness to others. There is clearly nothing we can do to convince them. Christ will need to find a way to convict and reform their hearts before anything will change.
 
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Bull, I hate the left. I am more conservative than you'll ever hope to be. If you would be smart and read I quoted an article.

Wow, such a strong word. Hate. I had bits of my body blown off, lost a portion of my blood, and carry some former Soviet metal around inside me but I do not hate the Somalis, Iraqis, or Afghans.
 
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Why wont you understand that I resume risk for myself and hold no one else liable.

Why wont you understand that if those retail workers are afraid and can't stay home, then THEY can wear the mask and distance themselves from me.

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Your only ptoving through your admission that they wearing masks for themselves and distancing doesn't work. Thus my point, we cannot live in a bubble, nor should we otherwise we live in a authoritarian world.



Nope, your a terrible person for telling me I'm responsible for what you fear. NO IM NOT.
I think even if you are double sure you don’t have the virus, you should still wear mask to make other people feel comfortable around you. Nobody likes wearing mask, but that is the new world order, that’s the order of the world right now and until there is a cure for this virus, we just have to do our part by limiting its spread and one of the ways we do that is through mask.
 
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Wow, such a strong word. Hate. I had bits of my body blown off, lost a portion of my blood, and carry some former Soviet metal around inside me but I do not hate the Somalis, Iraqis, or Afghans.
Didn’t you also get two horses shot out from under you during the War of Northern Aggression and don’t hate the South?
 
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Didn’t you also get two horses shot out from under you during the War of Northern Aggression and don’t hate the South?

That one is a bit complicated as I was from the South. Look up the Free State of Winston.
 
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