Why are Christians so incredibly deceived about scripture?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

probably your pastor is in that list maybe?

His Name is Jesus.

What list ?

 

[Linet Kihonge]

Then I would get 4, 5, and 6 interpretations!

God gave me a unique brain, is the issue... a unique way of thinking. Most people take a doctrine or set of beliefs, and do not ever connect those beliefs with the other things out of the Bible they believe.

Me? I just start connecting all of it... doctrine X + doctrine Z that no Christian thinks to try and correlate and fit together. Yet, it if it is all truth, it all fits together like a puzzle... right?

So as I fit the puzzle together, you get very interesting scriptural viewpoints!

Even worse, I look at the people who disagree with my viewpoint, look at their verses, understand those verses and then figure out who is right and who is wrong... and keep what I learn from that to improve what I believe even more.

Here is one example of things I can come up with: http://www.christianforums.com/thre...christ-revealed-in-genesis-1-opening.7956780/

Your views and discernment is heavenly, share your gospel, let the light be put where everyone else can see I think any protestant should see your POV!!!

 

[fhansen]

"All the scriptures" ... according to whom? Jews, Protestants, Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, or..? You might consider the Catholic apocrypha scripture, but many, many people disagree with you. If you have the credentials to determine what exactly is pure scripture and what isn't, please share them with us.

I didn't claim any such credentials-only the church has them. It was individuals who determined to reject the church's canon.

 

[Linet Kihonge]

Hi, I was looking at the Cannon used by MJ and the only difference between the Catholic Bible and their Cannon is, the MJ Cannon contains 1 and 2 Baruch, The Maccabees and the 4th Book of Ezra and has considerations to the Book of Enoch. So, I don't know what to make of most apocrypha but the Hebrew Bible in distribution doesn't have any of the apocrypha whether contested or not contested!!! :/

 

[Monk Brendan]

The whole purpose of the KJV was to produce an English translation that met the king's idea of what the bible should be.

The only reason that I quote from the KJV is that many Protestants will claim that any translation other than the KJV is a bad translation (at the least) or demonic, and satan inspired.

 

[Monk Brendan]

Read Martin Luther, Keith Green ("the catholic chronicles")...

Keith Green was (above all) an entertainer, a musician, a member of the musicians union, and a missionary. His writings about the Catholic Church were absolutely wrong, and in one of the last newsletters before he died, he apologized for what he wrote. The Catholic Chronicles were mostly a reaction because a good friend, John Michael Talbot became a Third Order Franciscan, so he dug up all the old lies, and spit them out again.

Don't get me wrong. Keith Green's music is very moving, and I have all of his albums on iTunes.

 

[Alithis]

A person can have genuine God-given faith and choose to not act upon it. Such faith does exist but it is dead/useless because it won't result in salvation.



God knows whether a person genuinely believes so there is no need for anyone to prove he has faith.




Faith is believing what Jesus taught. Some people who truly believe in Jesus but refuse to repent because they love their sins more than God. Such people, despite their genuine God-given faith, will not be saved.

then we agree

 

[Alithis]

Can you please cite the data that lead to the conclusion that "most" pastors are deceived. Or is this just an uninformed bombastic pontification?

i need only go back to the baptist church i left ,to observe . but they are not deceived by some scary accident .. it is by choice . how do we know they are deceived? .. well for-one thing. they have this title called "pastor ' and they orchestrate the organizations they call church like they are a mediating boss of it or something lol ... - and yeah , i just had a dig at you tongue in cheek .. keeps things interesting , but whatever denom' it may be the deception level remains the same as long as they have a congregation that has people sitting in pews unchanged and doing no more then they did 10 years ago

 

[Alithis]

The only reason that I quote from the KJV is that many Protestants will claim that any translation other than the KJV is a bad translation (at the least) or demonic, and satan inspired.

the kjv has its own purposely inserted error .. for one thing ,the use of the English word "church " ,,,its an interesting word .. in greek its ecclesia and it doesn't actually translate to the institutionalized organisation we know call "church " .. "but called out ones ".. assembled unto god .. not herded into a building to be controlled by men in fancy titles and cloth ... a living entity of people led by the Spirit of god ,, but that another topic .

 

[Alithis]

Did you never read the rules ?
You will have to look up what Martin Luther said (as if you don't know already)
and what the others ALL testified of (as if you don't know already)
yourself.
I won't break the rules anywhere for you, unless Jesus says to. And since you're not apparently willing ,
it's not likely He will.

so often i have observed that the nature of a person is reflected in their avatar .. and this is of even more interest when we look into-the meaning of the word avatar ... and this has absolutely nothing to do with this particular topic haha . shhhhhhhh

 

[pescador]

I didn't claim any such credentials-only the church has them. It was individuals who determined to reject the church's canon.

So what are the church's credentials?

BTW, what do you mean by "the church"? Are you referring to the entire body of Christ (which is scriptural) or just the Catholic church (which isn't scriptural)?

 

[pescador]

The only reason that I quote from the KJV is that many Protestants will claim that any translation other than the KJV is a bad translation (at the least) or demonic, and satan inspired.

Which of course it isn't. Don't give in to their foolishness.

 

[pescador]

the kjv has its own purposely inserted error .. for one thing ,the use of the English word "church " ,,,its an interesting word .. in greek its ecclesia and it doesn't actually translate to the institutionalized organisation we know call "church " .. "but called out ones ".. assembled unto god .. not herded into a building to be controlled by men in fancy titles and cloth ... a living entity of people led by the Spirit of god ,, but that another topic .

So very true! People sitting silently on benches facing forward listening to one individual teach them from his/her interpretation of the Bible is totally unscriptural. Where are the spiritual gifts in such a mute, rigid gathering? Where are people teaching, sharing, prophesying, admonishing, speaking in tongues, interpreting, loving, healing each other? Where is the agape feast of joyfully sharing food, bread, and wine?

The typical modern church is nothing like the ἐκκλησία described in the NT.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

This
also
means (just realized) that those who serve men, no matter even if an Apostle , sin.
It is called "carnal"(which is sin) elsewhere.

We (no one) can serve Yhwh in Yeshua AND serve men instead of Yhwh in Yeshua at the same time.
Those who try to, end up further deceived and in error that might result in the sin that leads to death.

i.e. Yhwh is Master. or man is master.
Serve Yhwh, despise man (who tries to be 'god').
Serve man(who tries to be 'god'), despise Yhwh.

Just to make sure we are on the same page here. We are to love, do good, and to pray for even our enemies, though.


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[pescador]

Just to make sure we are on the same page here. We are to love, do good, and to pray for even our enemies, though.


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Of course. That is basic, sound doctrine that nobody should disagree with.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Can you please cite the data that lead to the conclusion that "most" pastors are deceived. Or is this just an uninformed bombastic pontification?

Matthew 7:13-15 King James Version (KJV)
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

 

[pescador]

Matthew 7:13-15 King James Version (KJV)
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

In no way does this prove that most pastors are deceived. Are you really saying that most pastors are false prophets??

 

[-57]

So glad i am a Catholic as we follow God via Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Straight from the Apostles. Almost everyone else went on the wrong path from the early days of the reformation.

I am so thankful God brought about the reformation. I can joy in the biblical fact we "work" because of our salvation rather than "working" to obtain our salvation.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Well, those are just your opinions.

8) None of your previous statements reveal your obvious bias as much as this one does. Feel free to cling to a 400-year-old flawed work and throw out the great advances made by modern scholarship. The modern translations that we have today are without question the best, most accurate versions that the English-speaking world has ever had.

Since you reject modern scholarship and really believe that God ended translators' knowledge, ability, and skill 400 years ago I will not discuss this with you any further!

WHOLE Bible verses deleted in the NIV vs KJV

The following WHOLE verses have been removed in the NIV--whether in the text or footnotes...over 40 IN ALL!!!

Matthew 12:47 -- removed in the footnotes

Matthew 17:21 -- COMPLETELY removed What are you NIV readers missing?
"Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting."

Matthew 18:11 -- COMPLETELY removed What are you NIV readers missing?
"For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost."

Matthew 21:44 -- removed in the footnotes

Matthew 23:14 -- COMPLETELY removed . What are you NIV readers missing?
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."

Mark 7:16 -- COMPLETELY removed . What are you NIV readers missing?
"If any man have ears to hear, let him hear."

Mark 9:44 -- COMPLETELY removed . What are you NIV readers missing?
"Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

Mark 9:46 -- COMPLETELY removed . What are you NIV readers missing?
"Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

Mark 11:26 -- COMPLETELY removed . What are you NIV readers missing?
"But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses."

Mark 15:28 -- COMPLETELY removed . What are you NIV readers missing?
"And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors."

Mark 16:9-20 (all 12 verses) -- There is a line separating the last 12 verses of Mark from the main text. Right under the line it says: [The two most reliable early manuscripts do not have Mark 16:9-20] (NIV, 1978 ed.)

Luke 17:36 -- COMPLETELY removed . What are you NIV readers missing?
"Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

Luke 22:44 -- removed in the footnotes

Luke 22:43 -- removed in the footnotes

Luke 23:17 -- COMPLETELY removed . What are you NIV readers missing?
"(For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.)"

John 5:4 -- COMPLETELY removed . What are you NIV readers missing?
"For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had."

John 7:53-8:11 -- removed in the footnotes

Acts 8:37 -- COMPLETELY removed It's deletion makes one think that people can be baptized and saved without believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. What are you NIV readers missing?
"And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."

Acts 15:34 -- COMPLETELY removed . What are you NIV readers missing?
"Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still."

Acts 24:7 -- COMPLETELY removed . What are you NIV readers missing?
"But the chief captain Lysias came upon us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands,"

Acts 28:29 -- COMPLETELY removed . What are you NIV readers missing?
"And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves."

Romans 16:24 -- COMPLETELY removed . What are you NIV readers missing?
"The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."

I John 5:7 -- Vitally important phrase COMPLETELY removed. In the NIV it says,

"For there are three that testify:"

 

[Original Happy Camper]

In no way does this prove that most pastors are deceived. Are you really saying that most pastors are false prophets??

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.