Why an eternal hell?

[dies-l]

He called him abba, which is a term for dad.

not slang

Slang is an informal way of s speaking. Dad or Daddy is an informal expression for one's father. It's really not all that different. If you can point a logical our biblical reason that "slang" (and I am not sure that "buddy" is really slang any more than Daddy is) is not acceptable to God, then perhaps you can correct me.

 

[createdtoworship]

Slang is an informal way of s speaking. Dad or Daddy is an informal expression for one's father. It's really not all that different. If you can point a logical our biblical reason that "slang" (and I am not sure that "buddy" is really slang any more than Daddy is) is not acceptable to God, then perhaps you can correct me.

Dad is not slang, if you can prove this point. We can move on.

 

[Blessedj01]

Context is everything. In who's using the language, how they're using it and why. I don't think there's any hard and fast rule here. If the Holy Spirit is convicting you of being flippant then you probably are. If it's not, then chances are you're just comfortable with God.

 

[createdtoworship]

Context is everything. In who's using the language, how they're using it and why. I don't think there's any hard and fast rule here. If the Holy Spirit is convicting you of being flippant then you probably are. If it's not, then chances are you're just comfortable with God.

"don't take the name of the Lord in vain"

sounds like a rule to me

 

[Blessedj01]

Context is everything. In who's using the language, how they're using it and why. I've repeated this because it's important if you want to distinguish whether one or oneself is using the Lord's name in vain. The context is what's important, not so much the rules we make up about it.

 

[createdtoworship]

Context is everything. In who's using the language, how they're using it and why. I've repeated this because it's important if you want to distinguish whether one or oneself is using the Lord's name in vain. The context is what's important, not so much the rules we make up about it.

Are you suggesting I made up the rule about "taking the name of the Lord in vain"

here is a clip about the third commandment:

from CARM.org

"

by Matt Slick

"You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain." Exodus 20:7

Intro

This is the Third of the Ten Commandments.
The first commandment was to have no other gods before the true God.
The second commandment was to not make images of God and bow down to them.
This third commandment deals with His name ~ You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.
Why would this be a command? Why would God command us to be careful how we use His name? Why would He punish people who take His name in vain?
The answer is simple. It is because God is Holy, pure, perfect, and righteous.
To use His name is to bring attention to who He is.
To use His name means that you are acknowledging His existence.
To use His name is to call upon the One has proclaimed who and what He is by His name.

What is God's name?
In the Hebrew, there are four consonants used to spell God's name. In English we see them as YHWH. We pronounce them as Jehovah or Yahweh.
The name Jehovah comes from the Hebrew verb to be.
In Exodus 3:14, Moses was at the burning bush and he asked God what His name was. God replied, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you."
God is the infinite being. He is the one who inhabits eternity. Psalm 90:2 says, "Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God."
God is the one who inhabits eternity. He is the eternal being.
He didn’t say His name was Frank, or Bob.
He did not say his name was Baal, Krishna, or Allah, which are all names given to false god’s by people.
His name is the transcendent, the eternal, the continuously present and holy pronouncement of "I AM"
We see this as Yahweh, or Jehovah.
The exact pronunciation of God's name has been lost, but when you call upon His name, you are calling upon Him.
Using His name in any form should be taken with great seriousness.
The name of God is Holy because it is self given.
It comes from God's own mouth and God is holy. Therefore, the name is holy.
God did not adopt the name that some group of people gave to Him.
He disclosed His own name.
When you are born, your parents give you a name.
This is because they are over you, because there was a time when you did not exist and your parents needed something to call you. So they named you.
Adam was given dominion over the animals and He was given the right to name them.
But no one has dominion over God. No one has the right to name God.
God has always existed and He knows who He is.
He is the eternal one. He is the creator. He is the one who has always been. He is the one who was existing before the creation of the universe and before time existed. He is the great, "I AM."
Out of God's own nature, out of His own heart, He disclosed His holy name to us. It is self given. His name is Holy and is not to be used in a vain way.
God commands us not to use His name in vain.
The NIV translates it as, "Do no misuse the name of the LORD." But most Bibles say, ‘Do not use the name of the LORD in vain.’
The word vain is the Hebrew word shav. It has a variety of translations including emptiness, vanity, falsehood, nothingness, emptiness of speech, lying, and worthlessness.
To misuse God's name means literally, "to lift it up to or attach it to emptiness."
No one is to use the Lord's name in this manner.

Preamble this with a comment about the following examples about being careful to not use God's name even by citing examples.
Perhaps you've heard unbelievers use God's name in vain.
They might say, "Oh G-d!" Or "J-sus!" or "J-sus Chri-st!" "GD-it."
We Christians can easily see how wrong this is.
Unfortunately, I have heard many Christians use God's name in vain and think nothing of it.
God wants you to guard your words and make sure you are not using God’s name in vain even in normal conversation.
Check yourself to make sure you don’t use God’s name as an expression of surprise, anger, casual mention, or something in jest.
God’s name is too holy for that.
Conclusion
The unbeliever can call upon God’s name in their hour of need.
The unbeliever can discuss the nature and existence of God and in so doing mention His name.
But it is only the Christian, who truly has the right to use God’s name.
This is because of the Cross.
Because of the Cross we have access to the throne.
Because of the Cross we can pronounce the name of Yahweh without fear.
Because of the Cross we can know that the Lord hears us.
Because of the Cross you have the right, the privilege, and the responsibility even more so than anyone else in the world, to use God’s name in reverence and fear.
The Great I AM hears you at all times. Do not use the name of the Lord in vain.

 

[Blessedj01]

Are you suggesting I made up the rule about "taking the name of the Lord in vain"

here is a clip about the third commandment:

from CARM.org

"

by Matt Slick

"You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain." Exodus 20:7

Intro

This is the Third of the Ten Commandments.
The first commandment was to have no other gods before the true God.
The second commandment was to not make images of God and bow down to them.
This third commandment deals with His name ~ You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.
Why would this be a command? Why would God command us to be careful how we use His name? Why would He punish people who take His name in vain?
The answer is simple. It is because God is Holy, pure, perfect, and righteous.
To use His name is to bring attention to who He is.
To use His name means that you are acknowledging His existence.
To use His name is to call upon the One has proclaimed who and what He is by His name.

What is God's name?
In the Hebrew, there are four consonants used to spell God's name. In English we see them as YHWH. We pronounce them as Jehovah or Yahweh.
The name Jehovah comes from the Hebrew verb to be.
In Exodus 3:14, Moses was at the burning bush and he asked God what His name was. God replied, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you."
God is the infinite being. He is the one who inhabits eternity. Psalm 90:2 says, "Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God."
God is the one who inhabits eternity. He is the eternal being.
He didn’t say His name was Frank, or Bob.
He did not say his name was Baal, Krishna, or Allah, which are all names given to false god’s by people.
His name is the transcendent, the eternal, the continuously present and holy pronouncement of "I AM"
We see this as Yahweh, or Jehovah.
The exact pronunciation of God's name has been lost, but when you call upon His name, you are calling upon Him.
Using His name in any form should be taken with great seriousness.
The name of God is Holy because it is self given.
It comes from God's own mouth and God is holy. Therefore, the name is holy.
God did not adopt the name that some group of people gave to Him.
He disclosed His own name.
When you are born, your parents give you a name.
This is because they are over you, because there was a time when you did not exist and your parents needed something to call you. So they named you.
Adam was given dominion over the animals and He was given the right to name them.
But no one has dominion over God. No one has the right to name God.
God has always existed and He knows who He is.
He is the eternal one. He is the creator. He is the one who has always been. He is the one who was existing before the creation of the universe and before time existed. He is the great, "I AM."
Out of God's own nature, out of His own heart, He disclosed His holy name to us. It is self given. His name is Holy and is not to be used in a vain way.
God commands us not to use His name in vain.
The NIV translates it as, "Do no misuse the name of the LORD." But most Bibles say, ‘Do not use the name of the LORD in vain.’
The word vain is the Hebrew word shav. It has a variety of translations including emptiness, vanity, falsehood, nothingness, emptiness of speech, lying, and worthlessness.
To misuse God's name means literally, "to lift it up to or attach it to emptiness."
No one is to use the Lord's name in this manner.

Preamble this with a comment about the following examples about being careful to not use God's name even by citing examples.
Perhaps you've heard unbelievers use God's name in vain.
They might say, "Oh G-d!" Or "J-sus!" or "J-sus Chri-st!" "GD-it."
We Christians can easily see how wrong this is.
Unfortunately, I have heard many Christians use God's name in vain and think nothing of it.
God wants you to guard your words and make sure you are not using God’s name in vain even in normal conversation.
Check yourself to make sure you don’t use God’s name as an expression of surprise, anger, casual mention, or something in jest.
God’s name is too holy for that.
Conclusion
The unbeliever can call upon God’s name in their hour of need.
The unbeliever can discuss the nature and existence of God and in so doing mention His name.
But it is only the Christian, who truly has the right to use God’s name.
This is because of the Cross.
Because of the Cross we have access to the throne.
Because of the Cross we can pronounce the name of Yahweh without fear.
Because of the Cross we can know that the Lord hears us.
Because of the Cross you have the right, the privilege, and the responsibility even more so than anyone else in the world, to use God’s name in reverence and fear.
The Great I AM hears you at all times. Do not use the name of the Lord in vain.

I didn't say you made up anything about taking the Lord's name in vain.

 

[createdtoworship]

I didn't say you made up anything about taking the Lord's name in vain.

so you admit using the Lords name as slang is using it in vain and in violation of the 3rd commandment

 

[Blessedj01]

I'll admit that I don't know what you're talking about, yeah.

 

[OzSpen]

...that's a dictionary definition. But what about what we discern ourselves?

I mean, sometimes we use slang in place of formal language and it's not necessarily because we are being flippant.

That's true, but it is one of the aspects of the definition I gave you. I'm an Aussie. If I said to you, 'g'day mate how ya doin'? and I called you a shiela, would that be correct to use on an international forum like this one? Of course not! But they are part of Aussie slang - one of the definitions of slang.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

...that's a dictionary definition. But what about what we discern ourselves?

I mean, sometimes we use slang in place of formal language and it's not necessarily because we are being flippant.

That's true, but it is one of the aspects of the definition I gave you. I'm an Aussie. If I said to you, 'g'day mate how ya doin'? and I called you a shiela, would that be correct to use on an international forum like this one? Of course not! But they are part of Aussie slang - one of the definitions of slang.

Here's some more Aussie slang.

Oz

 

[Metal Minister]

That's true, but it is one of the aspects of the definition I gave you. I'm an Aussie. If I said to you, 'g'day mate how ya doin'? and I called you a shiela, would that be correct to use on an international forum like this one? Of course not! But they are part of Aussie slang - one of the definitions of slang.

Oz

Hey, I think Aussie slang is cool! And I'm an American! Lol. Not sure I'd wanna be called a Sheila though...

May God Richly Bless you!

 

[episkopos]

Interesting discussions. If human beings know how to judge and put other human beings (whom we did not create) in jail for life or even execute them, why doesn't God have a right to judge the people He has created. People get to hell by their own choice. For any one interested, read "They went to hell" by Dag Heward-Mills.

 

[createdtoworship]

That's true, but it is one of the aspects of the definition I gave you. I'm an Aussie. If I said to you, 'g'day mate how ya doin'? and I called you a shiela, would that be correct to use on an international forum like this one? Of course not! But they are part of Aussie slang - one of the definitions of slang.

Here's some more Aussie slang.

Oz

I did a search for "God" in aussie slang and didn't find it,

(thank God)

thats a good sign

 

[dies-l]

Dad is not slang, if you can prove this point. We can move on.

Did I say it was? I would say that "buddy" really is either. But, if you are stuck on the notion that it is somehow wrong and/or degrading and/or sinful to refer to God in informal or slangy terminology, the onus is on you to explain why you think that. If that is your own personal feeling, I can respect that. If you are going to belittle other believers who don't share your conviction, I can't respect that.

 

[dies-l]

so you admit using the Lords name as slang is using it in vain and in violation of the 3rd commandment

God's name is Yahweh (or Jehovah; it has also been translated as "the LORD" and "I am" in English). If you use one of these names in an irreverent way, you are violating the 3rd Commandment. Fortunately, I don't often hear people using any of these words as slang (sure, you hear God, Jesus Christ, and the like in improper contexts, but rarely the actual name of God). If we are going to make this a 3rd Commandment issue, let's focus on what the 3rd Commandment actually refers to.

Personally, I would say it comes down to a matter of the heart. If you are disrespecting God in your heart, it doesn't really matter what words you use to do it. It's wrong, not because the Law says so, but because it betrays a lack of love for God. And, isn't that what the Christian life really boils down to: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength and love your neighbor as yourself?

 

[OzSpen]

Hey, I think Aussie slang is cool! And I'm an American! Lol. Not sure I'd wanna be called a Sheila though...

May God Richly Bless you!

But, I, a male am an Aussie bloke, just as women are are a sheilas.

Oz

 

[Metal Minister]

But, I, a male am an Aussie bloke, just as women are are a sheilas.

Oz

Ok, bloke I could deal with lol. Of course it was a gag you realize. A little humor to lighten a fairly tense round of discussion here.

May God Richly Bless you!

 

[Armistead14]

I remember in bible college we dealt with "Oh God" that is commonly used to express _________fill in the blank.

"Oh God, the house is on fire"
"Oh God, that car wrecked"

It's just a secular use that expresses more seriousness, we all do it.

Of course "Oh God" is commonly used in sex talk. It refers to an out of world experience, although in secular use no one is thinking about God, they're thinking about a great experience. I'm sure many believers probably use the same word, but not thinking of God, more likely expressing an out of world experince. Maybe some use it in such a way to glorify God during sex, but I doubt it, it's just not our nature to involve God in the actual sex act, although I wouldn't see it as a problem if people were serious.

I don't think because we use God often in general terms to express shock or joy, etc...makes it "in vain" , more of a cultural habit to express with more force.

I think when we willingly use his name in vain out of disrespect it becomes an issue.

 

[Metal Minister]

I remember in bible college we dealt with "Oh God" that is commonly used to express _________fill in the blank.

"Oh God, the house is on fire"
"Oh God, that car wrecked"

It's just a secular use that expresses more seriousness, we all do it.

Of course "Oh God" is commonly used in sex talk. It refers to an out of world experience, although in secular use no one is thinking about God, they're thinking about a great experience. I'm sure many believers probably use the same word, but not thinking of God, more likely expressing an out of world experince. Maybe some use it in such a way to glorify God during sex, but I doubt it, it's just not our nature to involve God in the actual sex act, although I wouldn't see it as a problem if people were serious.

I don't think because we use God often in general terms to express shock or joy, etc...makes it "in vain" , more of a cultural habit to express with more force.

I think when we willingly use his name in vain out of disrespect it becomes an issue.

I've also thought of it as if we use God's name to justify an immoral or illegal act.

May God Richly Bless you!