dollarsbill
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But the 'eternal fire' is presented as totally literal in the NT. And that doesn't prove otherwise.
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Why an eternal hell? (2)
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Assyrian
Basically pulling an Obama (Thanks Calminian!)
My point wasn't to prove if eternal fire was literal or not, but simply to show that your argument for a literal fire didn't work. You do need to distinguish between something actually being presented as literal and the tendency of literalists to assume it is.
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dollarsbill
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I suggest you consider that those who deny the 'eternal fire' are those who will be in the 'eternal fire'.
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seeingeyes
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Really? How does one 'literally' set a spirit on fire? Perhaps I'm using the wrong accelerant?
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dollarsbill
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How? LOL!!!Really? How does one 'literally' set a spirit on fire? Perhaps I'm using the wrong accelerant?
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seeingeyes
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Yes, 'how?' Fire is a physical, chemical reaction. So how can you 'literally' set fire to a non-physical being?
Unless by 'literally' you meant 'figuratively'.
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dollarsbill
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You are GREATLY confused. Seek God for your salvation for the 'eternal HELL fire'.
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dollarsbill
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Those who deny Hell fire are doomed to dwell therein forever. Where does that leave you?
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seeingeyes
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It leaves me asking you questions that you refuse to answer. If you don't know, then just say so. No need to cast me into perdition over it.
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dollarsbill
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You don't even know the questions you require. Try again. If you choose "perdition" then dont blame others. for YOUR eternal Hell fire.
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seeingeyes
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You are the one who claimed that a 'literal' understanding of hell fire is important, then when I ask you to explain how hell fire is literally fire, you tell me I'm asking the wrong questions...
At this point, I'm fairly certain that hell is a theology forum.
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dollarsbill
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Hell fire is 'eternal fire'. Fire in this life is horrible. It is a warning of how awful the 'eternal fire' will be. How is it literal fire? The NT gives examples and warnings of the 'eternal fire'. That's all I need to know about it.
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dollarsbill
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Never said otherwise. But Jesus warned us of the fire awaiting the wicked. And so, we are to warn also.
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Assyrian
Basically pulling an Obama (Thanks Calminian!)
You told me:
You told seeingeyes:
Sounds to me like you are saying a condition for avoiding hell, a condition for salvation, is believing in literal hell fire.
Jesus certainly does call us to repentance, and to tell others too, but you need to realise people can repent put their faith in Jesus even if they don't interpret every scripture the way you do.
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dollarsbill
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Nope. Salvation is by believing and serving Jesus/God. Not by believing in Hell.
You misunderstood. There is a difference in not believing in Hell and vehemently denying Hell.
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God sanctions penalities in the OT which are permanent. For example there can be no end to a banishment and no returning to this life after an execution. Taking that to the next life it is absolutely consistent to have two opposing fates, both eternal - both without end.
One point often overlooked is that there is an aspect of such punishments which is as much about seperating such people from those obeying God as it is about punishing those who disobey.
While certainly unpleasant to be seperated permanently from the Light of God, am not sure it is accurate to describe that as torture or even God tormenting someone. Certainly it would be unpleasant but the aspect of torment in this case is I think self imposed due to the choices the person made in this life.
Also do not think God incapable of wading through the mess man has made of the world He gave us to equally judge each individual regardless of where they are born or how they were raised or where they lived and died.
One point often overlooked is that there is an aspect of such punishments which is as much about seperating such people from those obeying God as it is about punishing those who disobey.
While certainly unpleasant to be seperated permanently from the Light of God, am not sure it is accurate to describe that as torture or even God tormenting someone. Certainly it would be unpleasant but the aspect of torment in this case is I think self imposed due to the choices the person made in this life.
Also do not think God incapable of wading through the mess man has made of the world He gave us to equally judge each individual regardless of where they are born or how they were raised or where they lived and died.
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Hell is reserved for the enemies of God. People who don't agree with God are his enemies. If you were the total boss and you wanted to put your enemies in a place that they could do you no harm, you could choose a hell-like place (hell is a holding area). It is the same with God. The difference is that God is eternal and his enemies are eternal beings. Their lockup would also have to be eternal to ensure they could perpetrate no evil at any time.
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