Why an eternal hell? (2)

[holo]

Take note:

Revelation 20:10 (NASB)
10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Yes, the beast and the false prophet. You can take ONE verse from Rev. and maybe ONE other verse from the entire bible that do in fact seem to say that sinners will indeed live forever in torment, and you would have to put a thousand times more weight on them than the multitude of verses that say stuff like the wages of sin is DEATH, not to mention all the verses that speak of God's righteous judgment.

 

[dollarsbill]

I look forward to you answering my arguments instead of saying you look forward to see me argue with God. By the way, do you in fact look forward to such a thing?

I don't have to answer to you. But you have to answer to God.

Why? How?

Because those who repent will receive mercy.

If you refused to repent for stealing my car, would I be justified in gouging your eyes out?

I didn't steal your car.

 

[dollarsbill]

Yes, the beast and the false prophet. You can take ONE verse from Rev. and maybe ONE other verse from the entire bible that do in fact seem to say that sinners will indeed live forever in torment, and you would have to put a thousand times more weight on them than the multitude of verses that say stuff like the wages of sin is DEATH, not to mention all the verses that speak of God's righteous judgment.

The false prophet being a human. God indeed punishes in fire forever.

 

[seeingeyes]

actually everlasting is outside of time, no time at all would have passed. So time wise one year is longer than everlasting Hell.

So no one spends any time at all in hell then?

 

[seeingeyes]

Only in this life.

Yes, and no hint in scripture of any other punishment beyond that. Is God unjust if those folks are not burning in hell now?

The point is how God views rebellion against Him (sin).

Deuteronomy 28:53 (NASB)
53 "Then you shall eat the offspring of your own body, the flesh of your sons and of your daughters whom the LORD your God has given you, during the siege and the distress by which your enemy will oppress you.

And the fulfillment:

"With their own hands compassionate womenhave cooked their own children,
who became their food
when my people were destroyed.
The Lord has given full vent to his wrath;
he has poured out his fierce anger.
He kindled a fire in Zion
that consumed her foundations." (Lamentations 4:10-11)


"O Daughter of Zion, your punishment will end;
he will not prolong your exile. (Lamentations 4:22)


Again, was God unjust for ending their punishment?

 

[createdtoworship]

So no one spends any time at all in hell then?

they spend their existence there, not their time.

 

[holo]

God burns humans alive, drowns humans, and He will also burn humans forever. Pretty simple.

Don't you see the difference between killing someone and torturing them forever?

 

[holo]

I don't have to answer to you. But you have to answer to God.

You don't have to "answer to me," but it's common courtesy to answer questions and address the arguments instead of brushing them off with "you are confused" and "I look forward to see you argue with God."

BTW, I'm not going to answer to God. Jesus has answered for me already. He IS the answer

Because those who repent will receive mercy.

How does people receiving mercy make it fair that those who don't shall burn forever?

I didn't steal your car.

OK, but someone did. Would I be justified in gouging his eyes out?

 

[seeingeyes]

they spend their existence there, not their time.

How can one be tormented outside of time?

 

[createdtoworship]

How can one be tormented outside of time?

just as easily as one can be in heaven outside of time.

 

[dollarsbill]

Yes, and no hint in scripture of any other punishment beyond that. Is God unjust if those folks are not burning in hell now?

No hint?

Revelation 14:9-11 (NASB)
9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

And the fulfillment:

"With their own hands compassionate womenhave cooked their own children,
who became their food
when my people were destroyed.
The Lord has given full vent to his wrath;
he has poured out his fierce anger.
He kindled a fire in Zion
that consumed her foundations." (Lamentations 4:10-11)

"O Daughter of Zion, your punishment will end;
he will not prolong your exile. (Lamentations 4:22)

Again, was God unjust for ending their punishment?

OT does not overrule NT.

Revelation 20:10 (NASB)
10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[dollarsbill]

Don't you see the difference between killing someone and torturing them forever?

I do. And I also see God's merciful warnings of the "eternal fire".

 

[dollarsbill]

You don't have to "answer to me," but it's common courtesy to answer questions and address the arguments instead of brushing them off with "you are confused" and "I look forward to see you argue with God."

What haven't I answered?

BTW, I'm not going to answer to God. Jesus has answered for me already. He IS the answer

Jesus is God. Are you saying we don't have to answer to God for what we do?

How does people receiving mercy make it fair that those who don't shall burn forever?

Salvation is only for those who repent and believe in Jesus.

OK, but someone did. Would I be justified in gouging his eyes out?

The Christian response would be to forgive as God commanded. What He does and what He commands of us are not the same. We are sinners. He is omniscient, omnipotent and righteous.

 

[dollarsbill]

just as easily as one can be in heaven outside of time.

Same Greek word. Eternal life and eternal punishment, NEVER ending.

 

[holo]

I do. And I also see God's merciful warnings of the "eternal fire".

Do you see more than two bible verses that seemingly say that hell means eternal suffering?

 

[holo]

What haven't I answered?

"So it's not about what people actually do, it's about whether or not the one who is judging is all-knowing or not?

By that rationale, the more you know, the more justified you will be to torment someone."

To which you replied, "you are confused."

Jesus is God. Are you saying we don't have to answer to God for what we do?

Yes. Jesus has already answered for us. He IS the answer, the way and the life. He IS your righteousness.

Salvation is only for those who repent and believe in Jesus.

To be more accurate, salvation is for everyone, it's already a done deal. And then we (possibly) get to make a choice to "accept" or "reject" it.

The Christian response would be to forgive as God commanded. What He does and what He commands of us are not the same. We are sinners. He is omniscient, omnipotent and righteous.

So the more you know about a person, the more justified you are in torturing him? The more power you have, the more justified you are in torturing him? The more righteous you are, the more justified you are in torturing him?

God, who according to the bible, IS righteous and IS love, puts to a much higher standard than Himself? He wants me to forgive you, but He Himself has no intention of doing so, unless you happen to "accept" the gospel that you may or may not get to hear in your life, since He does love you and all...

But in essence, what you are saying here is that we should be more forgiving and merciful than God.

 

[holo]

Same Greek word. Eternal life and eternal punishment, NEVER ending.

And again, eternal death doesn't mean eternal life. It means the opposite.

 

[seeingeyes]

But in essence, what you are saying here is that we should be more forgiving and merciful than God.

That's exactly the predicament I found myself in. God didn't seem to have any interest in giving up His top spot to me though, so He knocked me upside the head with His grace.

He's so cool. lol

 

[createdtoworship]

And again, eternal death doesn't mean eternal life. It means the opposite.

it means death that never matures for the period of eternity.

 

[createdtoworship]

Do you see more than two bible verses that seemingly say that hell means eternal suffering?

two that can be proven, the rest fall into place after you accept eternal torment.