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Why almost all coal was made during the same period

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All coal WASN'T made at the same time. The video is wrong in that regard. Very wrong.

Large coal formations date back at least 420 million years. Some coal formations are as young as 2.6 million years.

The MAJORITY of easily accessible black coal was made in two "short geological periods". Those were the Carboniferous period, from about 360 to 300 million years ago, and from mid to later parts of the Permian (about 299 to 250 million years ago).

However, there are also substantial coal deposits that are younger than that. Most of the brown coal in North America is about 50 to 20 million years old. Most brown coal is Australia is between 220 and 15 million years old.
We are both Old Earth Creationists. :) It is interesting that coal has ages from 2.6M years to over 400M years. Coal has been dated using layers in the ground, and each layer corresponds to a different part of the timeline. I found a cool link that describes how fossil age is estimated, and similar methods are used to estimate the age of coal: How do scientists date rocks and fossils?

So, what do you think about peat? Modern peat bogs formed around 12,000 years ago, or 10,000 BC, which is relatively recent compared to the age of the earth (4.54B years).

Article about peat bogs: The Mad Dash to Figure Out the Fate of Peatlands
 
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Parts of it. I studied comparative religion at a Jesuit high school. I followed that up with a couple of first year university level history courses, which touched on Semitic and Levantine religions.

And yet you're an atheist?

Why is that, if I may ask?
 
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Parts of it. I studied comparative religion at a Jesuit high school. I followed that up with a couple of first year university level history courses, which touched on Semitic and Levantine religions.
That is pretty cool. :) Hopefully the schools treated you well. A lot of Christian schools can be a struggle from what I have heard, and the teachers there are way too strict. I'm a Christian, and am lucky to have never set foot in a Christian school.
 
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And yet you're an atheist?

Why is that, if I may ask?

In my mid to late 20s, I took a long re-appraisal of my beliefs. Mostly as a result of getting a new job, which also subsidised some courses covering applications of logic and skepticism (in that case, to business writing).

I realised one day, quite out of the blue, that I couldn't rationally justify any of my core beliefs around Christianity. When I investigated, I found myself unconvinced by the apologetics. I transitioned to a sort of watery deism, and then the more I looked at the apologetics, the more I realised I agreed with the countervailing arguments.

So, I ended up jettisoning my beliefs around religion (and the supernatural more broadly), because I couldn't justify them and I was unconvinced by the established defenses.

A few years subsequent to that, I identified as a 'none' and now as an atheist.
 
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In my mid to late 20s, I took a long re-appraisal of my beliefs. Mostly as a result of getting a new job, which also subsidised some courses covering applications of logic and skepticism (in that case, to business writing).

I realised one day, quite out of the blue, that I couldn't rationally justify any of my core beliefs around Christianity. When I investigated, I found myself unconvinced by the apologetics. I transitioned to a sort of watery deism, and then the more I looked at the apologetics, the more I realised I agreed with the countervailing arguments.

So, I ended up jettisoning my beliefs around religion (and the supernatural more broadly), because I couldn't justify them and I was unconvinced by the established defenses.

A few years subsequent to that, I identified as a 'none' and now as an atheist.
For me, science solidified my faith in God, especially when reading up on astronomy as a tweenager back in the early 2010s. The Catholic physicist, Georges Lemaître said that the universe has a finite age, and beginning. Fast forward to the 21st century, and we now know the universe has an age of 13.8B years. :) And God said "let there be light", and as astronomers have discovered, the Big Bang emitted electromagnetic radiation, detectible as the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB).

Article on the Frenchie astronomer priest dude: Georges Lemaitre: Father of the Big Bang | AMNH

NASA on the CMB: Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe
 
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That is pretty cool. :) Hopefully the schools treated you well. A lot of Christian schools can be a struggle from what I have heard, and the teachers there are way too strict. I'm a Christian, and am lucky to have never set foot in a Christian school.

I have nothing but respect for the school and most of its staff. I'm even still in contact with some of my former teachers.

It was an all boys school, and a big one at that, so I'd say the main downside was the other students. I was bookish, introverted and not particularly sporty (except for long distance running), so that made me a natural target for bullying.

But, I have nothing against the school. My own kids are going to religious schools - Presbyterian and Methodist - just because of the quality of education.

Post university, I went on to do six months as a teaching assistant in a Jesuit school in the US, and that was a WILDY different environment. The culture war and creation/evolution "controversy" was going strong in the teachers lounge. That was about 18 months before the Kitzmiller v Dover decision.
 
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I have nothing but respect for the school and most of its staff. I'm even still in contact with some of my former teachers.

It was an all boys school, and a big one at that, so I'd say the main downside was the other students. I was bookish, introverted and not particularly sporty (except for long distance running), so that made me a natural target for bullying.

But, I have nothing against the school. My own kids are going to religious schools - Presbyterian and Methodist - just because of the quality of education.

Post university, I went on to do six months as a teaching assistant in a Jesuit school in the US, and that was a WILDY different environment. The culture war and creation/evolution "controversy" was going strong in the teachers lounge. That was about 18 months before the Kitzmiller v Dover decision.
Well, hopefully your kids find Jesus. :) Am glad that your high school treated you well for the most part. Sad that you were targeted by bullies. I am a nerd also, but am lucky to be gregarious, and have a sense of humor. Sad that the teaching assistant job didn't go that well. There is still a lot of toxicity and debates going on in the US to this day regarding evolution, and just debates about everything in this country. Just look at the daily news here in the US. Nobody can agree on anything. Me personally, I think God gave creation the power to evolve (theistic evolution), but the Precambrian explosion was him getting involved. Same with humans, God breathed his spirit into us.
 
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Me personally, I think God gave creation the power to evolve (theistic evolution), but the Precambrian explosion was him getting involved. Same with humans, God breathed his spirit into us.

Unless you already buy into the religious narrative, I don't think there's justifiable reasons to reach those conclusions. At least, there's no evidentiary warrant for them. Just like I'd argue there's no evidentiary warrant to conclude any intervention around the Big Bang.

To the best of my ability, I don't know what started our current instantiation of the universe, or started life on this planet. The idea of the Christian deity "getting involved" in evolutionary biology or Big Bang cosmology are post-hoc rationalisations, derived from pre-suppositions. To me, that's the exact opposite of what we should be doing when presented with evidence. It's cart before horse stuff.

For me, a much better answer is 'I don't know, but won't it be interesting to find out'.

As to your question about peat bogs. It's likely that most modern peat bogs are a result of the warming and glacial retreat/rise in sea levels from the end of the last Ice Age and the start of the Holocene. But, modern peat bogs aren't the only bogs that exist, or have existed. Peat bogs seem to have played a significant role in altering the climate over the last 400 million + years
 
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According to what the Earth itself is showing us, it is WAY older than 6000 years. The Earth can not lie about about itself.
The secular world says that the big bang occurred 14 billion years ago. Everything was compacted into one spot. It expanded, then the stars formed themselves, and then our sun formed, and in the dust around the sun, the Earth formed. It was a hot molten blob, got covered by water, and then biological evolution happened. But if that's the case, you have any number of problems. According to evolution theory, or at least atheist evolution theory, the big bang created everything, gas clouds went everywhere, and stars contracted from gas clouds out of their gravity. Well, it's impossible for gas clouds to contract out of their gravity because as soon as you get a gas cloud that compressed, it's going heat up. And hot gasses want to expand, and that expansion force is a hundred times or more than the force of gravity. It could never happen. There are all these dog ate my homework stories about how gravity waves from black holes might do a push-pull thing on gas clouds and make this actually happen. But you have a chicken and the egg problem here, because don't black holes come from stars? So you have to get stars in the first place!

There are many, many questions in science that have not been answered. But there are many questions that have been answered. So far, it is the problem for the evolutionist of the questions that have been answered, like the coalescence of the stars, like violating the first law of thermodynamics, that matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, the big bang insists that happened at least once. Many people think the universe popped into existence instantly in a big bang, and it happened by itself! Somehow matter has spontaneously come into existence without a prior cause. The first law says that energy is neither created nor destroyed. And equally as valid as the first law is... The second law of thermodynamics, which says things are currently running down, energy is becoming less useful. The useful amount of energy is always decreasing ,and we measure this with a thing called entropy. The entropy is always increasing. It's almost as if the world was wound-up like a clock, and it's been unwinding. The second law would seem to argue...That the universe has not always existed, the material universe has not always existed. But the first law says you could not have a beginning. So, we have this contradiction. We have this tension. Both laws are equally true. And yet both laws, if extrapolated into the past, contradict each other. Physically, the universe has no natural explanation, it doesn't have a physical explanation.

Comets really do have something to say about the age of the solar system. We can divide comets into two groups. We call the short-period comets and long period comets. For short period comets, a couple hundred years, they're all gone. There shouldn't be any left. Long period comets, tens of millions or maybe a hundred million years, but they're all gone again. So for a billions of years solar system, you have a problem, thousands of years, not a problem. We understand that the sun is powered by nuclear fusion and that could power the sun for billions of years. As it produces energy like that, it changes its composition inside and over time it should slowly brighten. And as it does, the Earth would get warmer. Now again, over thousands of years, not a problem. But if go back a couple billion, three billion years or so when life first supposedly developed on the planet, you have a problem because the Earth would have been far colder. It would have been frozen, and nobody thinks that happened. In billions of years, it's a problem, thousands of years, not a problem. In fact, other planets in our solar system testify to a young universe as well. Both the density and magnetic field of Mercury cannot allow for millions of years. In 1984, Russell Humphreys correctly calculated the magnetic fields of Uranus and Neptune several years before the Voyager 2 satellite would measure them. Humphreys used a vital clue from the Bible, that the universe was made only 6,000 years ago. And when the surface of Venus was mapped in the mid-nineties, volcanoes, craters, mountains, and other features showed the history of the planet was young. Neptune is too hot to be old. Pluto still has nitrogen in its atmosphere. The rings of Saturn and Neptune aren't uniform, as they would be after millions of years.


So, do we trust in the timeline of men, who are repeatedly wrong and having to change their beliefs or do we trust in the Bible, which has never been proven wrong and does not change.
 
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It's an insult to such God as there may be-
and the intelligence he granted you- to indulge in
such nonsense.
What you on about? Adam was created on the 6th day of creation. It has been about 6000 years, it is written in the Bible. Or should we trust evolution that cannot explain life?
 
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For instance, the Jesuits who taught me geography had zero problem with the concept of a 4.5 billion year old earth. They did have LOTS of problems with the concept of an earth that was 'young'.
Jesuits who teach against the Bible? Jesuits who teach that the pope is Christ's vice-regent? Hateful Jesuits? I would stay away from them.
 
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It doesn't.

I believe coal was embedded into the earth during the Creation Week as an "Easter egg" to be discovered later.

Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Psalm 104:24 O LORD, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches.

And I was not asking you. It's well known that you believe that everything and anything was embedded into the Earth by God.
 
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the Big Bang emitted electromagnetic radiation, detectible as the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB)
The universe had been around for around 300,000 years before light existed after Recombination took place. So 'let there be light' did not happen until much later than the start of time and space.
 
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It expanded, then the stars formed themselves,
Okay- so this bit is wrong- so much more happened before stars formed. If that's wrong why should anyone believe your following claims?
 
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Or should we trust evolution that cannot explain life?
Why should 'evolution' explain life? Do you mean abiogenesis? Evolution is just something that happens. It does not explain anything. Do you mean ToE?
 
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What you on about? Adam was created on the 6th day of creation. It has been about 6000 years, it is written in the Bible. Or should we trust evolution that cannot explain life?
At a quick assessment I'd say you could use yourself
a bit more education, and less certainty about what you thimk you know.
 
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Why should 'evolution' explain life? Do you mean abiogenesis? Evolution is just something that happens. It does not explain anything. Do you mean ToE?
The age of the earth is the province
of physics, geology, astronomy etc
not changes in allele frequency.

It's pretty silly for someone to try to
argue when they've no idea what they
are arguing against.
 
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Jesuits didn't teach me anything like that. I don't think it's the Jesuits who are being hateful here.
The way Christians hate and denounce
eachother is very poor advertising.

I'm atheist of course, and grew up seeing
Christianity as a foreign / alien and rather
weird relgion.

I did though have interesting talks with a Jesuit
in Hong Kong.
Relevant to the topic here of "6000 year old
earth" is one comment he made, being:
"God gave us brains, and He gave us the
responsibility to use them."

Our uneducated friends might want to think
long and hard about that responsibility.
 
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