OK, if you have a limited number of parachutes picking straws is as good as any other way, but does God than lack the power to provide everyone with a parachute?
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Why all people are not saved?
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That the question a Gentile might ask when comparing himself to a first century Jew. How you start out (made) is not the same as asking why do I go to hell?
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God was not given the "plan" but put the plan together.
The "plan" you seem to be suggesting as God's, is contrary to God's justice, Love and righteousness.
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Redemption in Christ is only for some, and not for all persons. That is God's will.
God made known to believers in Christ that He is saving us and only us to the praise of the glory of His grace. And God works all things according to the council of His own will and not our own wills.
Redemption in Christ
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
God made known to believers in Christ that He is saving us and only us to the praise of the glory of His grace. And God works all things according to the council of His own will and not our own wills.
Redemption in Christ
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
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The only reason you chose God is because God chose you first. And God did that before the foundation of the world.
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I’m not sure about an eternal hell for men after this life. I do expect someone to show me where man suffers an eternal hell. God’s Will Be Done.
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This is not how I see God. To limit him to our perception of him is dangerous.
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There is a lot to discuss on that subject, but we cannot do it here and it has been done a lot. People who reject God's charity to their end will not be in heaven.
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God limits Himself by what He has said. Can God lie? Can God not be just by the definition of just He gave us in scripture? Can God not Love by the definition of Love He gave us in scripture.
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We need to conform to scripture, not make scripture conform to our ideas about God.
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There is Heaven and there is a new earth. Both will pass but God’s Word will never pass away. Daniel 12 sheds light on The Truth.
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True but how sad. Our primary mission after our own souls have been secured is to spread The Gospel as far and wide as possible. I can say that only when Christ prepares the soul can the soul receive seed. I’ve experienced the miracle of witnessing. Our innermost being doesn’t want any to perish. The Perfect Love can only be experienced when God The Father reveals His Perfect Love. Those miracles must be in a Born Again Christians Life.
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I fully agree with: “Not everyone is saved”, but if it is thought: God is the cause for some being lost because He did not helping them, while He helped others who are virtually no different than the lost, that idea is contrary to God’s Love, justice, power, righteousness and Holiness.
To be just, Loving and righteous God has to treat everyone “equally” in significant matters, the most significant being salvation.
It does not matter when those who will be saved is known by God as long as He is being right (righteous), just, Loving and Holy in His helping everyone equally.
What are you saying God is lacking in (Love, righteousness, Holiness, power or justice) which keeps Him from helping all mature adults?
God would have enough wrath to send everyone to hell, but God has told us repeatedly, if we willingly accept His charity (Love/mercy/graced/forgiveness) as pure charity, God will shower us with gifts with salvation being included. Like the thief on the cross, some ae saved just by trusting a little in Christ and not because they deserve anything which the thief was saying he was getting what he deserved with crucifixion.
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To make God out to be unjust, unloving, unrighteous, and unholy is contrary to scripture. Show me how it is just, Loving and right for God be arbitrary?
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