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  1. TLK Valentine

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    The bible shows over 300 scriptures that were fulfilled.
    1. Gen. 3:15 Seed of a woman (virgin birth) Galatians 4:4-5, Matthew 1:18
    2. Gen. 3:15 He will bruise Satan's head Hebrews 2:14, 1John 3:8
    3. Gen. 3:15 Christ's heel would be bruised with nails on the cross Matthew 27:35, Luke 24:39-40
    4. Gen. 5:24 The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated Mark 16:19, Rev. 12:5
    5. Gen. 9:26, 27 The God of Shem will be the Son of Shem Luke 3:23-36
    6. Gen. 12:3 Seed of Abraham will bless all nations Galatians 3:8, Acts 3:25, 26
    7. Gen. 12:7 The Promise made to Abraham's Seed Galatians 3:16
    8. Gen. 14:18 A priest after the order of Melchizedek Hebrews 6:20
    9. Gen. 14:18 King of Peace and Righteousness Hebrews 7:2
    10. Gen. 14:18 The Last Supper foreshadowed Matthew 26:26-29
    11. Gen. 17:19 Seed of Isaac (Gen. 21:12) Romans 9:7
    12. Gen. 22:8 The Lamb of God promised John 1:29
    13. Gen. 22:18 As Isaac's seed, will bless all nations Galatians 3:16
    14. Gen. 26:2-5 The Seed of Isaac promised as the Redeemer Hebrews 11:18
    15. Gen. 28:12 The Bridge to heaven John 1:51
    16. Gen. 28:14 The Seed of Jacob Luke 3:34
    17. Gen. 49:10 The time of His coming Luke 2:1-7; Galatians 4:4
    18. Gen. 49:10 The Seed of Judah Luke 3:33
    19. Gen. 49:10 Called Shiloh or One Sent John 17:3
    20. Gen. 49:10 Messiah to come before Judah lost identity John 11:47-52
    21. Gen. 49:10 Unto Him shall the obedience of the people be John 10:16
    22. Ex. 3:13-15 The Great "I AM" John 4:26, 8:58
    23. Ex. 12:3-6 The Lamb presented to Israel 4 days before Passover Mark 11:7-11
    24. Ex. 12:5 A Lamb without blemish Hebrews 9:14; 1Peter 1:19
    25. Ex. 12:13 The blood of the Lamb saves from wrath Romans 5:8
    26. Ex. 12:21-27 Christ is our Passover 1Corinthians 5:7
    27. Ex. 12:46 Not a bone of the Lamb to be broken John 19:31-36
    28. Ex. 15:2 His exaltation predicted as Yeshua Acts 7:55, 56
    29. Ex. 15:11 His Character-Holiness Luke 1:35; Acts 4:27
    30. Ex. 17:6 The Spiritual Rock of Israel 1Corinthians 10:4
    31. Ex. 33:19 His Character-Merciful Luke 1:72
    32. Lev. 1:2-9 His sacrifice a sweet smelling savor unto God Ephesians 5:2
    33. Lev. 14:11 The leper cleansed-Sign to priesthood Luke 5:12-14; Acts 6:7
    34. Lev. 16:15-17 Prefigures Christ's once-for-all death Hebrews 9:7-14
    35. Lev. 16:27 Suffering outside the Camp Matthew 27:33; Heb. 13:11, 12
    36. Lev. 17:11 The Blood-the life of the flesh Matthew 26:28; Mark 10:45
    37. Lev. 17:11 It is the blood that makes atonement Rom. 3:23-24; 1John 1:7
    38. Lev. 23:36-37 The Drink-offering: "If any man thirst" John 7:37
    39. Num. 9:12 Not a bone of Him broken John 19:31-36
    40. Num. 21:9 The serpent on a pole-Christ lifted up John 3:14-18, 12:32
    41. Num. 24:17 Time: "I shall see him, but not now." John 1:14; Galatians 4:4
    42. Deut. 18:15 "This is of a truth that prophet." John 6:14
    43. Deut. 18:15-16 "Had ye believed Moses, ye would believe me." John 5:45-47
    44. Deut. 18:18 Sent by the Father to speak His word John 8:28, 29
    45. Deut. 18:19 Whoever will not hear must bear his sin Acts 3:22-23
    46. Deut. 21:23 Cursed is he that hangs on a tree Galatians 3:10-13
    47. Joshua 5:14-15 The Captain of our salvation Hebrews 2:10
    48. Ruth 4:4-10 Christ, our kinsman, has redeemed us Ephesians 1:3-7
    49. 1 Sam. 2:35 A Faithful Priest Heb. 2:17, 3:1-3, 6, 7:24-25
    50. 1 Sam. 2:10 Shall be an anointed King to the Lord Mt. 28:18, John 12:15
    51. 2 Sam. 7:12 David's Seed Matthew 1:1
    52. 2 Sam. 7:13 His Kingdom is everlasting 2Peter 1:11
    53. 2 Sam. 7:14a The Son of God Luke 1:32, Romans 1:3-4
    54. 2 Sam. 7:16 David's house established forever Luke 3:31; Rev. 22:16
    55. 2 Ki. 2:11 The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated Luke 24:51
    56. 1 Chr. 17:11 David's Seed Matthew 1:1, 9:27
    57. 1 Chr. 17:12-13 To reign on David's throne forever Luke 1:32, 33
    58. 1 Chr. 17:13 "I will be His Father, He...my Son." Hebrews 1:5
    59. Job 9:32-33 Mediator between man and God 1 Timothy 2:5
    60. Job 19:23-27 The Resurrection predicted John 5:24-29
    61. Psa. 2:1-3 The enmity of kings foreordained Acts 4:25-28
    62. Psa. 2:2 To own the title, Anointed (Christ) John 1:41, Acts 2:36
    63. Psa. 2:6 His Character-Holiness John 8:46; Revelation 3:7
    64. Psa. 2:6 To own the title King Matthew 2:2
    65. Psa. 2:7 Declared the Beloved Son Matthew 3:17, Romans 1:4
    66. Psa. 2:7, 8 The Crucifixion and Resurrection intimated Acts 13:29-33
    67. Psa. 2:8, 9 Rule the nations with a rod of iron Rev. 2:27, 12:5, 19:15
    68. Psa. 2:12 Life comes through faith in Him John 20:31
    69. Psa. 8:2 The mouths of babes perfect His praise Matthew 21:16
    70. Psa. 8:5, 6 His humiliation and exaltation Hebrews 2:5-9
    71. Psa. 9:7-10 Judge the world in righteousness Acts 17:31
    72. Psa. 16:10 Was not to see corruption Acts 2:31, 13:35
    73. Psa. 16:9-11 Was to arise from the dead John 20:9
    74. Psa. 17:15 The resurrection predicted Luke 24:6
    75. Psa. 18:2-3 The horn of salvation Luke 1:69-71
    76. Psa. 22:1 Forsaken because of sins of others 2 Corinthians 5:21
    77. Psa. 22:1 "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46
    78. Psa. 22:2 Darkness upon Calvary for three hours Matthew 27:45
    79. Psa. 22:7 They shoot out the lip and shake the head Matthew 27:39-44
    80. Psa. 22:8 "He trusted in God, let Him deliver Him" Matthew 27:43
    81. Psa. 22:9-10 Born the Saviour Luke 2:7
    82. Psa. 22:12-13 They seek His death John 19:6
    83. Psa. 22:14 His blood poured out when they pierced His side John 19:34
    84. Psa. 22:14, 15 Suffered agony on Calvary Mark 15:34-37
    85. Psa. 22:15 He thirsted John 19:28
    86. Psa. 22:16 They pierced His hands and His feet John 19:34, 37; 20:27
    87. Psa. 22:17, 18 Stripped Him before the stares of men Luke 23:34, 35
    88. Psa. 22:18 They parted His garments John 19:23, 24
    89. Psa. 22:20, 21 He committed Himself to God Luke 23:46
    90. Psa. 22:20, 21 Satanic power bruising the Redeemer's heel Hebrews 2:14
    91. Psa. 22:22 His Resurrection declared John 20:17
    92. Psa. 22:27-28 He shall be the governor of the nations Colossians 1:16
    93. Psa. 22:31 "It is finished" John 19:30, Heb. 10:10, 12, 14, 18
    94. Psa. 23:1 "I am the Good Shepherd" John 10:11, 1Peter 2:25
    95. Psa. 24:3 His exaltation predicted Acts 1:11; Philippians 2:9
    96. Psa. 30:3 His resurrection predicted Acts 2:32
    97. Psa. 31:5 "Into thy hands I commit my spirit" Luke 23:46
    98. Psa. 31:11 His acquaintances fled from Him Mark 14:50
    99. Psa. 31:13 They took counsel to put Him to death Mt. 27:1, John 11:53
    100. Psa. 31:14, 15 "He trusted in God, let Him deliver him" Matthew 27:43
    101. Psa. 34:20 Not a bone of Him broken John 19:31-36
    102. Psa. 35:11 False witnesses rose up against Him Matthew 26:59
    103. Psa. 35:19 He was hated without a cause John 15:25
    104. Psa. 38:11 His friends stood afar off Luke 23:49
    105. Psa. 38:12 Enemies try to entangle Him by craft Mark 14:1, Mt. 22:15
    106. Psa. 38:12-13 Silent before His accusers Matthew 27:12-14
    107. Psa. 38:20 He went about doing good Acts 10:38
    108. Psa. 40:2-5 The joy of His resurrection predicted John 20:20
    109. Psa. 40:6-8 His delight-the will of the Father John 4:34, Heb. 10:5-10
    110. Psa. 40:9 He was to preach the Righteousness in Israel Matthew 4:17
    111. Psa. 40:14 Confronted by adversaries in the Garden John 18:4-6
    112. Psa. 41:9 Betrayed by a familiar friend John 13:18
    113. Psa. 45:2 Words of Grace come from His lips John 1:17, Luke 4:22
    114. Psa. 45:6 To own the title, God or Elohim Hebrews 1:8
    115. Psa. 45:7 A special anointing by the Holy Spirit Mt. 3:16; Heb. 1:9
    116. Psa. 45:7, 8 Called the Christ (Messiah or Anointed) Luke 2:11
    117. Psa. 45:17 His name remembered forever Ephesians 1:20-21, Heb. 1:8
    118. Psa. 55:12-14 Betrayed by a friend, not an enemy John 13:18
    119. Psa. 55:15 Unrepentant death of the Betrayer Matthew 27:3-5; Acts 1:16-19
    120. Psa. 68:18 To give gifts to men Ephesians 4:7-16
    121. Psa. 68:18 Ascended into Heaven Luke 24:51
    122. Psa. 69:4 Hated without a cause John 15:25
    123. Psa. 69:8 A stranger to own brethren John 1:11, 7:5
    124. Psa. 69:9 Zealous for the Lord's House John 2:17
    125. Psa. 69:14-20 Messiah's anguish of soul before crucifixion Matthew 26:36-45
    126. Psa. 69:20 "My soul is exceeding sorrowful." Matthew 26:38
    127. Psa. 69:21 Given vinegar in thirst Matthew 27:34
    128. Psa. 69:26 The Saviour given and smitten by God John 17:4; 18:11
    129. Psa. 72:10, 11 Great persons were to visit Him Matthew 2:1-11
    130. Psa. 72:16 The corn of wheat to fall into the Ground John 12:24-25
    131. Psa. 72:17 Belief on His name will produce offspring John 1:12, 13
    132. Psa. 72:17 All nations shall be blessed by Him Galatians 3:8
    133. Psa. 72:17 All nations shall call Him blessed John 12:13, Rev. 5:8-12
    134. Psa. 78:1-2 He would teach in parables Matthew 13:34-35
    135. Psa. 78:2b To speak the Wisdom of God with authority Matthew 7:29
    136. Psa. 80:17 The Man of God's right hand Mark 14:61-62
    137. Psa. 88 The Suffering and Reproach of Calvary Matthew 27:26-50
    138. Psa. 88:8 They stood afar off and watched Luke 23:49
    139. Psa. 89:27 Firstborn Colossians 1:15, 18
    140. Psa. 89:27 Emmanuel to be higher than earthly kings Luke 1:32, 33
    141. Psa. 89:35-37 David's Seed, throne, kingdom endure forever Luke 1:32, 33
    142. Psa. 89:36-37 His character-Faithfulness Revelation 1:5, 19:11
    143. Psa. 90:2 He is from everlasting (Micah 5:2) John 1:1
    144. Psa. 91:11, 12 Identified as Messianic; used to tempt Christ Luke 4:10, 11
    145. Psa. 97:9 His exaltation predicted Acts 1:11; Ephesians 1:20
    146. Psa. 100:5 His character-Goodness Matthew 19:16, 17
    147. Psa. 102:1-11 The Suffering and Reproach of Calvary John 19:16-30
    148. Psa. 102:25-27 Messiah is the Preexistent Son Hebrews 1:10-12
    149. Psa. 109:25 Ridiculed Matthew 27:39
    150. Psa. 110:1 Son of David Matthew 22:42-43
    151. Psa. 110:1 To ascend to the right-hand of the Father Mark 16:19
    152. Psa. 110:1 David's son called Lord Matthew 22:44, 45
    153. Psa. 110:4 A priest after Melchizedek's order Hebrews 6:20
    154. Psa. 112:4 His character-Compassionate, Gracious, et al Matthew 9:36
    155. Psa. 118:17, 18 Messiah's Resurrection assured Luke 24:5-7; 1Cor. 15:20
    156. Psa. 118:22, 23 The rejected stone is Head of the corner Matthew 21:42, 43
    157. Psa. 118:26a The Blessed One presented to Israel Matthew 21:9
    158. Psa. 118:26b To come while Temple standing Matthew 21:12-15
    159. Psa. 132:11 The Seed of David (the fruit of His Body) Luke 1:32, Act 2:30
    160. Psa. 129:3 He was scourged Matthew 27:26
    161. Psa. 138:1-6 The supremacy of David's Seed amazes kings Matthew 2:2-6
    162. Psa. 147:3, 6 The earthly ministry of Christ described Luke 4:18
    163. Prov. 1:23 He will send the Spirit of God John 16:7
    164. Prov. 8:23 Foreordained from everlasting Rev. 13:8, 1Peter 1:19-20
    165. Song. 5:16 The altogether lovely One John 1:17
    166. Isa. 2:3 He shall teach all nations John 4:25
    167. Isa. 2:4 He shall judge among the nations John 5:22
    168. Isa. 6:1 When Isaiah saw His glory John 12:40-41
    169. Isa. 6:8 The One Sent by God John 12:38-45
    170. Isa. 6:9-10 Parables fall on deaf ears Matthew 13:13-15
    171. Isa. 6:9-12 Blinded to Christ and deaf to His words Acts 28:23-29
    172. Isa. 7:14 To be born of a virgin Luke 1:35
    173. Isa. 7:14 To be Emmanuel-God with us Matthew 1:18-23, 1Tim. 3:16
    174. Isa. 8:8 Called Emmanuel Matthew 28:20
    175. Isa. 8:14 A stone of stumbling, a Rock of offense 1Peter 2:8
    176. Isa. 9:1, 2 His ministry to begin in Galilee Matthew 4:12-17
    177. Isa. 9:6 A child born-Humanity Luke 1:31
    178. Isa. 9:6 A Son given-Deity Luke 1:32, John 1:14, 1Tim. 3:16
    179. Isa. 9:6 Declared to be the Son of God with power Romans 1:3, 4
    180. Isa. 9:6 The Wonderful One, Peleh Luke 4:22
    181. Isa. 9:6 The Counsellor, Yaatz Matthew 13:54
    182. Isa. 9:6 The Mighty God, El Gibor 1Cor. 1:24, Titus 2:13
    183. Isa. 9:6 The Everlasting Father, Avi Adth John 8:58, 10:30
    184. Isa. 9:6 The Prince of Peace, Sar Shalom John 16:33
    185. Isa. 9:7 Inherits the throne of David Luke 1:32
    186. Isa. 9:7 His Character-Just John 5:30
    187. Isa. 9:7 No end to his Government, Throne, and kingdom Luke 1:33
    188. Isa. 11:1 Called a Nazarene-the Branch, Netzer Matthew 2:23
    189. Isa. 11:1 A rod out of Jesse-Son of Jesse Luke 3:23, 32
    190. Isa. 11:2 Anointed One by the Spirit Matthew 3:16, 17, Acts 10:38
    191. Isa. 11:2 His Character-Wisdom, Knowledge, et al Colossians 2:3
    192. Isa. 11:3 He would know their thoughts Luke 6:8, John 2:25
    193. Isa. 11:4 Judge in righteousness Acts 17:31
    194. Isa. 11:4 Judges with the sword of His mouth Rev. 2:16, 19:11, 15
    195. Isa. 11:5 Character: Righteous & Faithful Rev. 19:11
    196. Isa. 11:10 The Gentiles seek Him John 12:18-21
    197. Isa. 12:2 Called Jesus-Yeshua Matthew 1:21
    198. Isa. 22:22 The One given all authority to govern Revelation 3:7
    199. Isa. 25:8 The Resurrection predicted 1Corinthians 15:54
    200. Isa. 26:19 His power of Resurrection predicted Matthew 27:50-54
    201. Isa. 28:16 The Messiah is the precious corner stone Acts 4:11, 12
    202. Isa. 28:16 The Sure Foundation 1Corinthians 3:11, Mt. 16:18
    203. Isa. 29:13 He indicated hypocritical obedience to His Word Matthew 15:7-9
    204. Isa. 29:14 The wise are confounded by the Word 1Corinthians 1:18-31
    205. Isa. 32:2 A Refuge-A man shall be a hiding place Matthew 23:37
    206. Isa. 35:4 He will come and save you Matthew 1:21
    207. Isa. 35:5-6 To have a ministry of miracles Matthew 11:2-6
    208. Isa. 40:3, 4 Preceded by forerunner John 1:23
    209. Isa. 40:9 "Behold your God." John 1:36; 19:14
    210. Isa. 40:10. He will come to reward Revelation 22:12
    211. Isa. 40:11 A shepherd-compassionate life-giver John 10:10-18
    212. Isa. 42:1-4 The Servant-as a faithful, patient redeemer Matthew 12:18-21
    213. Isa. 42:2 Meek and lowly Matthew 11:28-30
    214. Isa. 42:3 He brings hope for the hopeless John 4
    215. Isa. 42:4 The nations shall wait on His teachings John 12:20-26
    216. Isa. 42:6 The Light (salvation) of the Gentiles Luke 2:32
    217. Isa. 42:1, 6 His is a worldwide compassion Matthew 28:19, 20
    218. Isa. 42:7 Blind eyes opened. John 9:25-38
    219. Isa. 43:11 He is the only Saviour. Acts 4:12
    220. Isa. 44:3 He will send the Spirit of God John 16:7, 13
    221. Isa. 45:21-25 He is Lord and Saviour Philippians 3:20, Titus 2:13
    222. Isa. 45:23 He will be the Judge John 5:22; Romans 14:11
    223. Isa. 46:9, 10 Declares things not yet done John 13:19
    224. Isa. 48:12 The First and the Last John 1:30, Revelation 1:8, 17
    225. Isa. 48:16, 17 He came as a Teacher John 3:2
    226. Isa. 49:1 Called from the womb-His humanity Matthew 1:18
    227. Isa. 49:5 A Servant from the womb. Luke 1:31, Philippians 2:7
    228. Isa. 49:6 He will restore Israel Acts 3:19-21, 15:16-17
    229. Isa. 49:6 He is Salvation for Israel Luke 2:29-32
    230. Isa. 49:6 He is the Light of the Gentiles John 8:12, Acts 13:47
    231. Isa. 49:6 He is Salvation unto the ends of the earth Acts 15:7-18
    232. Isa. 49:7 He is despised of the Nation John 1:11, 8:48-49, 19:14-15
    233. Isa. 50:3 Heaven is clothed in black at His humiliation Luke 23:44, 45
    234. Isa. 50:4 He is a learned counselor for the weary Matthew 7:29, 11:28, 29
    235. Isa. 50:5 The Servant bound willingly to obedience Matthew 26:39
    236. Isa. 50:6a "I gave my back to the smiters." Matthew 27:26
    237. Isa. 50:6b He was smitten on the cheeks Matthew 26:67
    238. Isa. 50:6c He was spat upon Matthew 27:30
    239. Isa. 52:7 Published good tidings upon mountains Matthew 5:12,15:29,28:16
    240. Isa. 52:13 The Servant exalted Acts 1:8-11; Eph. 1:19-22, Php. 2:5-9
    241. Isa. 52:14 The Servant shockingly abused Luke 18:31-34; Mt. 26:67, 68
    242. Isa. 52:15 Nations startled by message of the Servant Luke 18:31-34; Mt. 26:67, 68
    243. Isa. 52:15 His blood shed sprinkles nations Hebrews 9:13-14, Rev. 1:5
    244. Isa. 53:1 His people would not believe Him John 12:37-38
    245. Isa. 53:2 Appearance of an ordinary man Philippians 2:6-8
    246. Isa. 53:3a Despised Luke 4:28-29
    247. Isa. 53:3b Rejected Matthew 27:21-23
    248. Isa. 53:3c Great sorrow and grief Matthew 26:37-38, Luke 19:41, Heb. 4:15
    249. Isa. 53:3d Men hide from being associated with Him Mark 14:50-52
    250. Isa. 53:4a He would have a healing ministry Matthew 8:16-17
    251. Isa. 53:4b Thought to be cursed by God Matthew 26:66, 27:41-43
    252. Isa. 53:5a Bears penalty for mankind's iniquities 2Cor. 5:21, Heb. 2:9
    253. Isa. 53:5b His sacrifice provides peace between man and God Colossians 1:20
    254. Isa. 53:5c His sacrifice would heal man of sin 1Peter 2:24
    255. Isa. 53:6a He would be the sin-bearer for all mankind 1John 2:2, 4:10
    256. Isa. 53:6b God's will that He bear sin for all mankind Galatians 1:4
    257. Isa. 53:7a Oppressed and afflicted Matthew 27:27-31
    258. Isa. 53:7b Silent before his accusers Matthew 27:12-14
    259. Isa. 53:7c Sacrificial lamb John 1:29, 1Peter 1:18-19
    260. Isa. 53:8a Confined and persecuted Matthew 26:47-27:31
    261. Isa. 53:8b He would be judged John 18:13-22
    262. Isa. 53:8c Killed Matthew 27:35
    263. Isa. 53:8d Dies for the sins of the world 1John 2:2
    264. Isa. 53:9a Buried in a rich man's grave Matthew 27:57
    265. Isa. 53:9b Innocent and had done no violence Luke 23:41, John 18:38
    266. Isa. 53:9c No deceit in his mouth 1Peter 2:22
    267. Isa. 53:10a God's will that He die for mankind John 18:11
    268. Isa. 53:10b An offering for sin Matthew 20:28, Galatians 3:13
    269. Isa. 53:10c Resurrected and live forever Romans 6:9
    270. Isa. 53:10d He would prosper John 17:1-5
    271. Isa. 53:11a God fully satisfied with His suffering John 12:27
    272. Isa. 53:11b God's servant would justify man Romans 5:8-9, 18-19
    273. Isa. 53:11c The sin-bearer for all mankind Hebrews 9:28
    274. Isa. 53:12a Exalted by God because of his sacrifice Matthew 28:18
    275. Isa. 53:12b He would give up his life to save mankind Luke 23:46
    276. Isa. 53:12c Numbered with the transgressors Mark 15:27-28
    277. Isa. 53:12d Sin-bearer for all mankind 1Peter 2:24
    278. Isa. 53:12e Intercede to God in behalf of mankind Luke 23:34, Rom. 8:34
    279. Isa. 55:3 Resurrected by God Acts 13:34
    280. Isa. 55:4a A witness John 18:37
    281. Isa. 55:4b He is a leader and commander Hebrews 2:10
    282. Isa. 55:5 God would glorify Him Acts 3:13
    283. Isa. 59:16a Intercessor between man and God Matthew 10:32
    284. Isa. 59:16b He would come to provide salvation John 6:40
    285. Isa. 59:20 He would come to Zion as their Redeemer Luke 2:38
    286. Isa. 60:1-3 He would shew light to the Gentiles Acts 26:23
    287. Isa. 61:1a The Spirit of God upon him Matthew 3:16-17
    288. Isa. 61:1b The Messiah would preach the good news Luke 4:16-21
    289. Isa. 61:1c Provide freedom from the bondage of sin John 8:31-36
    290. Isa. 61:1-2a Proclaim a period of grace Galatians 4:4-5
    291. Jer. 11:21 Conspiracy to kill Jesus John 7:1, Matthew 21:38
    292. Jer. 23:5-6 Descendant of David Luke 3:23-31
    293. Jer. 23:5-6 The Messiah would be both God and Man John 13:13, 1Ti 3:16
    294. Jer. 31:22 Born of a virgin Matthew 1:18-20
    295. Jer. 31:31 The Messiah would be the new covenant Matthew 26:28
    296. Jer. 33:14-15 Descendant of David Luke 3:23-31
    297. Eze.34:23-24 Descendant of David Matthew 1:1
    298. Eze.37:24-25 Descendant of David Luke 1:31-33
    299. Dan. 2:44-45 The Stone that shall break the kingdoms Matthew 21:44
    300. Dan. 7:13-14a He would ascend into heaven Acts 1:9-11
    301. Dan. 7:13-14b Highly exalted Ephesians 1:20-22
    302. Dan. 7:13-14c His dominion would be everlasting Luke 1:31-33
    303. Dan. 9:24a To make an end to sins Galatians 1:3-5
    304. Dan. 9:24a To make reconciliation for iniquity Romans 5:10, 2Cor. 5:18-21
    305. Dan. 9:24b He would be holy Luke 1:35
    306. Dan. 9:25 His announcement John 12:12-13
    307. Dan. 9:26a Cut off Matthew 16:21, 21:38-39
    308. Dan. 9:26b Die for the sins of the world Hebrews 2:9
    309. Dan. 9:26c Killed before the destruction of the temple Matthew 27:50-51
    310. Dan. 10:5-6 Messiah in a glorified state Revelation 1:13-16
    311. Hos. 11:1 He would be called out of Egypt Matthew 2:15
    312. Hos. 13:14 He would defeat death 1Corinthians 15:55-57
    313. Joel 2:32 Offer salvation to all mankind Romans 10:9-13
    314. Jonah 1:17 Death and resurrection of Christ Matthew 12:40, 16:4
    315. Mic. 5:2a Born in Bethlehem Matthew 2:1-6
    316. Mic. 5:2b Ruler in Israel Luke 1:33
    317. Mic. 5:2c From everlasting John 8:58
    318. Hag. 2:6-9 He would visit the second Temple Luke 2:27-32
    319. Hag. 2:23 Descendant of Zerubbabel Luke 2:27-32
    320. Zech. 3:8 God's servant John 17:4
    321. Zech. 6:12-13 Priest and King Hebrews 8:1
    322. Zech. 9:9a Greeted with rejoicing in Jerusalem Matthew 21:8-10
    323. Zech. 9:9b Beheld as King John 12:12-13
    324. Zech. 9:9c The Messiah would be just John 5:30
    325. Zech. 9:9d The Messiah would bring salvation Luke 19:10
    326. Zech. 9:9e The Messiah would be humble Matthew 11:29
    327. Zech. 9:9f Presented to Jerusalem riding on a donkey Matthew 21:6-9
    328. Zech. 10:4 The cornerstone Ephesians 2:20
    329. Zech. 11:4-6a At His coming, Israel to have unfit leaders Matthew 23:1-4
    330. Zech. 11:4-6b Rejection causes God to remove His protection Luke 19:41-44
    331. Zech. 11:4-6c Rejected in favor of another king John 19:13-15
    332. Zech. 11:7 Ministry to "poor," the believing remnant Matthew 9:35-36
    333. Zech. 11:8a Unbelief forces Messiah to reject them Matthew 23:33
    334. Zech. 11:8b Despised Matthew 27:20
    335. Zech. 11:9 Stops ministering to those who rejected Him Matthew 13:10-11
    336. Zech. 11:10-11a Rejection causes God to remove protection Luke 19:41-44
    337. Zech. 11:10-11b The Messiah would be God John 14:7
    338. Zech. 11:12-13a Betrayed for thirty pieces of silver Matthew 26:14-15
    339. Zech. 11:12-13b Rejected Matthew 26:14-15
    340. Zech. 11:12-13c Thirty pieces of silver cast in the house of the Lord Matthew 27:3-5
    341. Zech. 11:12-13d The Messiah would be God John 12:45
    342. Zech. 12:10a The Messiah's body would be pierced John 19:34-37
    343. Zech. 12:10b The Messiah would be both God and man John 10:30
    344. Zech. 12:10c The Messiah would be rejected John 1:11
    345. Zech. 13:7a God's will He die for mankind John 18:11
    346. Zech. 13:7b A violent death Mark 14:27
    347. Zech. 13:7c Both God and man John 14:9
    348. Zech. 13:7d Israel scattered as a result of rejecting Him Matthew 26:31-56
    349. Zech. 14:4 He would return to the Mt. of Olives Acts 1:11-12
    350. Mal. 3:1a Messenger to prepare the way for Messiah Mark 1:1-8
    351. Mal. 3:1b Sudden appearance at the temple Mark 11:15-16
    352. Mal. 3:1c Messenger of the new covenant Luke 4:43
    353. Mal. 3:6 The God who changes not Hebrews 13:8
    354. Mal. 4:5 Forerunner in spirit of Elijah Mt. 3:1-3, 11:10-14, 17:11-13
    355. Mal. 4:6 Forerunner would turn many to righteousness Luke 1:16-17
     
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    Not until they ate the fruit.

    They knew what God told them...don't eat...but deception intervened.
     
  4. YouAreAwesome

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    Where does it say Satan was in Eden in an unfallen state? I already showed how your verse doesn't say that.

    Also, it's not a question of biblical, it's a question of does it fit with the bible, and the natural world. Only together is it true.

    If you only believe in the bible, then you don't believe in maths. There are no negative numbers in the bible.
     
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  5. Tree of Life

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    Genesis presents itself as historical narrative. The real question is: "Why a non-literal Genesis?"
     
  6. TLK Valentine

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    Did you read the list before you cut and pasted it?
     
  7. CodyFaith

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    Genesis can only be taken literal. It's the only logical way.

    In the beginning God created. It doesn't get any more literal than that. It then tells how he created it, literal aswell... all literal. It's put forth as a fact not anything else.
     
  8. YouAreAwesome

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    1. Because Moses wrote about it thousands of years after Adam was created.
    2. It is the only thing in the bible that was not witnessed directly by a human.
    3. Because multiple disciplines of science come to a similar conclusion on the age of the universe
    4. Because death has been around for millions of years (if you prove this wrong you win a Nobel prize)
     
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  9. Moral Orel

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    How inspired the Bible is is up for debate though. Now I didn't say "how much of the Bible" is up for debate, but how directly He gave the words to the people that wrote it down. Since the various authors in the Bible have their own unique styles, it stands to reason God didn't use people as a pen to write God's thoughts word for word.

    So if God told Paul, "Tell them to do this" and Paul told the People "Do this because..." that isn't outside the range of possibilities, in my mind at least, of just how inspired the Bible is.

    When Moses wrote Genesis, in what way did God give him that information? Did He tell him to write Genesis word for word the way it is, or did He reveal creation to Him in a dream, and Moses wrote it down. The Genesis account may very well be Moses' best attempt at putting to words a vision that God gave him and I wouldn't expect Moses to get that completely accurate.

    As a reminder, this isn't about what the best way to read Genesis is, it's merely about what's plausible. That's why I asked in the beginning of the thread, "what's the harm"? Not because if there's no harm then theistic evolution is correct, but because it would be plausible that they are correct. Sure, I'm hypothesizing about things that I have no information to back up like how Moses was given the information about creation, but there's no information to be had, so I'm merely stating plausible possibilities, not likely possibilities.

    I don't want people to get the wrong idea that I'm telling people how they ought to read their Bible. Moreso I may make the case that both ways might be acceptable. Although even I haven't reached that conclusion yet.
     
  10. Moral Orel

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    Well to further complicate matters, there are times in those letters when he says, "the Lord says..." and there are times when he says, "I say, not the Lord says..." so it's hard to take a stance on how inspired those letters should be considered. I think most take a stance that by default it is inspired unless stated otherwise, but since he says it both ways, it might be the other way around, or Paul himself might not have known when he was or wasn't inspired or he did know and didn't think it was important to mention the other times...

    Lotta questions about ol' Paul there.
     
  11. Moral Orel

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    I know that part of it is to trace his lineage back to David who was King of Israel, and that's still the same with a non-literal interpretation of Genesis. And I think it is also to trace His origins back to the beginning of mankind, which I think is still okay with a non-literal interpretation as long as it doesn't matter that the origins of mankind were named "Adam" and "Eve". If there's more (and I expect there is) I'd like to find out about it though.
     
  12. Moral Orel

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    It's not all literal. When God says they will die that day, He's talking about a spiritual death. And when the prophecy is made about bruising the heel and the snake, that isn't about a literal person stepping on a literal snake. So if some of it is figurative at all, it leaves the door open for more of it to be. Maybe it isn't, that's what I'm trying to find out, but it's possible if we only look at Genesis.
     
  13. Moral Orel

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    That's clearer. But like I said, we have to assume at least a little fluidity in the word "beginning" since Adam and Eve weren't around in the beginning of all creation. So that beginning could still apply specifically to people only and not to creation as a whole.
    True, they aren't a good comparison, it is merely one example of many in the Bible that God conveys information to people in a way that is figurative. There have been a few other posts around here talking about how Moses received the information about creation and how he decided to write about it. Maybe it was a dream, maybe it was a vision. If it was anything like that I'm sure it was confusing to have the revelation of God's handiwork given to him. I think it's less likely, given the various writing styles found throughout the Bible, that God told Moses what to write, word for word.

    Now if Daniel receives a confusing vision about future events and has no idea what they mean at the time, all he can do is try to describe the vision accurately. If Moses receives a vision about past events and has a hard time understanding them as he receives them, he might still try to piece it together the best way he knows how.

    I'm going to keep saying it in hopes I don't offend anyone, but this isn't about what the best way to read the Bible is, it's about what's plausible. So don't think I'm trying to prove figurative is right, and literal is wrong. Since I don't know a lot on the matter, but I've learned quite a bit from the thread already, I don't have a solid stance for myself yet either. I'd call it a "leaning" maybe.
    You're right. My mistake. You talked about trusting the Bible and I incorrectly made the jump to trusting God. But I still think that you can trust that Genesis has an important lesson to teach without taking it literal, and you can trust that the NT is an accurate portrayal of the life and death and life of Jesus all at the same time.
     
  14. Moral Orel

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    Or it's simply how the Bible phrased it. That's why I want to get deeper into the issue than just looking at the surface of Genesis and making a conclusion.
     
  15. Moral Orel

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    Just look at all the animosity between Christians on the matter. I've seen both sides of the debate accuse the other side of calling God a liar. If the idea of a non-literal Genesis is even plausible without causing any harm to the core tenants of Christianity then there's no need for the aggressive debate and people can get on with more important matters. Plus, for those who accept the evidence of an old earth, an old universe, and evolution, needing to accept Genesis as literal is just another barrier to faith.
     
  16. Moral Orel

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    Well what is sin nature? I mean, I know it's the idea that we sin naturally, but what is the cause of it? Is it in our DNA, or is it something metaphysical? If it's the latter, that I suspect it is, then it wouldn't need to arise from some mutation through evolution. That would still be the metaphysical aspect of Genesis that all Christians would acknowledge.

    So God picked a time when humans were sufficiently evolved. He revealed Himself, but he also had to give them a soul. Animals don't have them, right? That would be the "breath of life" part of Genesis that is only in reference to humans, which fits rather well since later when death is mentioned it is talking about spiritual death. God gave them instructions, they willfully ignored those instructions, and then that was the Fall. From a literal Genesis standpoint, is it their physiology that changed in gaining a "sin nature" or is it metaphysical? I would guess it is more akin to a spiritual problem that has an effect on the flesh, but my guess may not be all that educated. Still sounds plausible from a theistic evolutionary perspective though, and it still retains a need for Jesus to come along and mend the rift between God and humans that humans caused through disobedience.
     
  17. YouAreAwesome

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    From where I stand this is biblical.
     
  18. TLK Valentine

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    Perhaps the students weren't ready at the time? You don't teach algebra to pre-schoolers.

    Does disobedience require a natural process, or a sociological one?
     
  19. TLK Valentine

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    Yeah, Paul was a pretty interesting fellow... and you're right that he makes a point to differentiate between his personal opinions and the "official" doctrine... at least some of the time.
     
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    AvgJoe has already done a good job of explaining from a scriptural/doctrinal standpoint why a literal interpretation of the Genesis account is necessary. Death, sin, and God's redemption of fallen humanity through Christ all hinge on the account being fundamentally literal.

    Scripture is the revelation of God's will and truth (as far as He has deemed it fit to share these things with us); Scripture is not given by God with the intent of confusing and obscuring His will and truth from those who wish to know it.

    AvgJoe has explained this already. Some of the most fundamental aspects of the story of Redemption are eroded and confused by taking an allegorical view of the Genesis account of Creation and the Fall of Man.

    Selah.
     
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