Who would you prefer to warn you of impending danger.

[jsimms615]

why would it matter if the person is a gay person or not? Next question please.

 

[UberLutheran]

Aren't the members you just listed also gay? So you only get along with other gay people?

tulc and thefarmersdaughter are both straight.

Of course, they're also liberal -- which I understand in fundy-think means they're either gay, or Satanists, or they eat their young.

Liberal Truth #7 - If you think someone is sinning, it means that you either HATE him, or secretly desire to do what he is doing

For a complete listing of Liberal Truths, refer to:
http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=35604950#post35604950

Ooooh, I've got one:

29. Accuse your opponent of "hating God," and/or "hating Christians." Ask her what happened to her in her past that made her turn against God.

 

[UberLutheran]

Uber, why do you constantly make polls/threads like these? Do you just like to stir up controversy with these lil hypothetical situations?

I feel like you make these "if one man was gay and the other man wasn't" threads....just so you can once again bait ppl into choosing a side and say "See, i told you those conservatives are hateful".

It seems like you're always trying to add fuel to a fire that's not even there.....We Dont Hate Gay People (at least i definitely dont) Sorry to burst your bubble, but i love you and every other gay person on here. But just cuz i love you doesn't mean that i can't speak out against homosexuality. I "love" myself but i speak out against my sins all the time, i hate my sins. I love my friends and they love me, but we correct one another all the time.

Maybe my perception is off, but it seems like you want us so bad to say that "we hate gay people", and to me....the threads and comments you make further reflect that.

In a nutshell: I would like for you, and DMagoh, and MercyBurst, and Der Alter, and NewGuy101, etc. to cut the "we love the sinner and hate the sin" cowpies and come out say what you really THINK, which I believe is going to be be (though this may not apply to you, per se): We hate gays, and we believe God hates gays, and we hate the gay people on this board -- and they're doomed and damned and frankly, we're glad!

Which is what, in my practical experience, "we love the sinner and hate the sin" actually means. It's not like I was born yesterday, and I know all too well the vast difference which often exists between what people say and what people really believe.

 

[UberLutheran]

why would it matter if the person is a gay person or not? Next question please.

Would a person who really, truly despises gay people (as do several of the people who post here) really want to be warned of an impending tornado by a gay meteorologist?

Wouldn't responding to a tornado warning by a gay meteorologist be endorsing the homosexual "lifestyle"?

 

[UberLutheran]

It really is interesting reading to see how liberal Christians post comments about how accepting they are, and loving they are, and non-judgemental they are...

...and then read all the hateful posts directed at fundamentalists.

If the above quotes are not judgemental, what are they?

"Persecuting" poor, long-suffering fundamentalists (who condemn others without mercy, but are also the first to complain when others turn around and condemn them for doing the very same things fundies condemn others for doing*)?

(You know -- that Romans 2:1-4 thingie, of which I have yet to hear a fundamentalist ever say might apply to them. Just for grins, I've included it, below:

1 Therefore you are without excuse, O man, whoever you are who judge. For in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself.For you who judge practice the same things. 2 We know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. 3 Do you think this, O man who judges those who practice such things, and do the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you despise the riches of his goodness, forbearance, and patience, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?

I know, I know:
13. If your opponent quotes the Bible tell him you're not impressed: even the Devil can quote scripture.)

 

[DMagoh]

Why would you consider this post "hateful"? I didn't say it in hate...I'm just stating perception and in some cases fact. Is that judging? I didn't say anything about judging you as a person...I'm just making an observation. ...I'm no one to judge. I just post from my perspective as that is all that I know.

That's interesting, because when I state what the Bible says about homosexual sex (fact), people state that I am judging. To quote you, "I'm just making an observation. ...I'm no one to judge. I just post from my perspective as that is all that I know." I guess if a fundamentalist does it, it's judging, and if a liberal Christian does it, he is just stating facts and making an observation. I see clearly now.

 

[UberLutheran]

That's interesting, because when I state what the Bible says about homosexual sex (fact), people state that I am judging. To quote you, "I'm just making an observation. ...I'm no one to judge. I just post from my perspective as that is all that I know." I guess if a fundamentalist does it, it's judging, and if a liberal Christian does it, he is just stating facts and making an observation. I see clearly now. (roll eyes)

I thought when a fundamentalist did it, the fundamentalist was merely, "loving the sinner and hating the sin".

 

[DMagoh]

Uber, why do you constantly make polls/threads like these? Do you just like to stir up controversy with these lil hypothetical situations?

I feel like you make these "if one man was gay and the other man wasn't" threads....just so you can once again bait ppl into choosing a side and say "See, i told you those conservatives are hateful".

It seems like you're always trying to add fuel to a fire that's not even there.....We Dont Hate Gay People (at least i definitely dont) Sorry to burst your bubble, but i love you and every other gay person on here. But just cuz i love you doesn't mean that i can't speak out against homosexuality. I "love" myself but i speak out against my sins all the time, i hate my sins. I love my friends and they love me, but we correct one another all the time.

Maybe my perception is off, but it seems like you want us so bad to say that "we hate gay people", and to me....the threads and comments you make further reflect that.

 

[DMagoh]

I understand in fundy-think means they're either gay, or Satanists, or they eat their young...[/COLOR]

In a nutshell: I would like for you, and DMagoh, and MercyBurst, and Der Alter, and NewGuy101, etc. to cut the "we love the sinner and hate the sin" cowpies and come out say what you really THINK, which I believe is going to be be (though this may not apply to you, per se): We hate gays, and we believe God hates gays, and we hate the gay people on this board -- and they're doomed and damned and frankly, we're glad!

Which is what, in my practical experience, "we love the sinner and hate the sin" actually means. It's not like I was born yesterday, and I know all too well the vast difference which often exists between what people say and what people really believe.

Would a person who really, truly despises gay people (as do several of the people who post here) really want to be warned of an impending tornado by a gay meteorologist?

Wouldn't responding to a tornado warning by a gay meteorologist be endorsing the homosexual "lifestyle"?

I think you really have issues, brother. Your perception is not only way off base, but it is almost obssessive compulsive and psychotic.

I dont hate gay people (I use to be one.) I dont wish they would all go to hell (that's why I witness to those that are lost). I have never accused you or any other gay person of not being a Christian. I dont care if the meterologist, policeman, banker, waiter, ad executive, architect, or anyone else is gay.

I'm sorry if I disappoint you by not hating you. You might want to see someone about the paranoia though.

 

[UberLutheran]

Care to comment on my response to him?

Naaaahhhhhh. Probably easier to assume I'm wrong, since I'm just a "heathen".

(It's sort of like my fundamentalist family of origin: I left the fundamentalist church in which I grew up 37 years ago. My family has accepted the fact that I'm gay. According to them, I'm not going to Hell because I'm gay, I'm going to Hell because I'm a Lutheran (and Lutherans baptize babies, read their prayers out of a book and drink wine during their services)!)


31. Tell him that you used to be like him, even worse, but now Christ has changed your heart and you "just know" what's right and wrong. Ask where he gets his sense of right and wrong, his moral values. That will lead to a whole new argument.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Would a person who really, truly despises gay people (as do several of the people who post here) really want to be warned of an impending tornado by a gay meteorologist?

Wouldn't responding to a tornado warning by a gay meteorologist be endorsing the homosexual "lifestyle"?

I'm still thinking you need to take that break we spoke of, and this thread along with the above post is possibly more proof of that.

How on earth does listening to a meteorologist gay or straight have anything to do with supporting their lifestyle?

Their lifestyle doesn't make them a better or worse meteorologist, and even trying to understand that crazyness of this thread gives me a headache.

I guess I will just have to assume that since some on here despise conservative/fundamentalist when they warn of the impending dangers of hell, which they don't want to hear or heed, so they want to make it look like they are crazy enough that they wouldn't listen to a meteorologist warning if they were gay. Which has to be one of the most ridiculous polls and statements I have heard on here in quite awhile, and is so not even close to anything near what your post are usually like. Which can only lead me to believe you need to take a break, and or some really deep breaths.

This whole debate has turned more into a the liberals say and mean this and the conservatives say and mean this, than anything that has to do with the teachings of Christ. Or what the scriptures tell us is a sin or not, and how we are to approach those issues.

In fact it is beginning to sound like I am on a field trip/vacation with two kids in the back seat yelling he touched me, he touched me. No I didn't he did it.

 

[UberLutheran]

I think you really have issues, brother. Your perception is not only way off base, but it is almost obssessive compulsive and psychotic.

I dont hate gay people (I use to be one.) I dont wish they would all go to hell (that's why I witness to those that are lost). I have never accused you or any other gay person of not being a Christian. I dont care if the meterologist, policeman, banker, waiter, ad executive, architect, or anyone else is gay.

I'm sorry if I disappoint you by not hating you. You might want to see someone about the paranoia though.

Well, good -- it took only 90 posts in this thread to get you to come out (so to speak) and say you don't hate gay people.

Of course, we all know that actions speak louder than words.

I believe it was you who started your initial visit here with the OP, The Pro-Gay Arguers Need To Be Careful and you've posted comments which have included these:

is Jesus a liar or deceiver? Because if the story in the Bible about Noah's Ark never occurred, then Jesus is a liar and deceiver. In Luke, Jesus said...

26 Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all. Luke 17:26-27

So, did it happen, or are you calling Jesus a liar and deceiver?

(Translation: if one doesn't believe the Bible is literally and absolutely true, then Jesus is a liar.)

and

You have powerful rationalization skills.


and

You think you could write your thoughts and opinions down on a piece of paper, maybe even a book, that I could read and study at home. I use to read and study stuff written by the Apostle Paul, Peter, John, and people like that, but I am beginning to the see the error of my ways.

and in general, you've been quite nasty to anyone who DARED to challenge you or have an opinion which was contrary to your beliefs or that of your Baptist denomination; but you sure have been among the first to complain when people handed the same treatment you dish out to others right back to you.

In fact, in the previous post, you called me "psychotic", "paranoid", and "obsessive compulsive". THAT sure sounds "loving" -- but then again, I'm sure some fundamentalists believe those truly are loving statements, just as they think "loving the sinner and hating the sin" isn't a contemptuous attitude towards the people they claim to "love".

You say you don't "hate" people? Well, the ball is now in your court to prove it. Frankly, you're going to have to do more than merely saying you don't "hate" people to convince me.

 

[UberLutheran]

I think you really have issues, brother. Your perception is not only way off base, but it is almost obssessive compulsive and psychotic.

I dont hate gay people (I use to be one.) I dont wish they would all go to hell (that's why I witness to those that are lost). I have never accused you or any other gay person of not being a Christian. I dont care if the meterologist, policeman, banker, waiter, ad executive, architect, or anyone else is gay.

I'm sorry if I disappoint you by not hating you. You might want to see someone about the paranoia though.

I'm still thinking you need to take that break we spoke of, and this thread along with the above post is possibly more proof of that.

How on earth does listening to a meteorologist gay or straight have anything to do with supporting their lifestyle?

Their lifestyle doesn't make them a better or worse meteorologist, and even trying to understand that crazyness of this thread gives me a headache.

I guess I will just have to assume that since some on here despise conservative/fundamentalist when they warn of the impending dangers of hell, which they don't want to hear or heed, so they want to make it look like they are crazy enough that they wouldn't listen to a meteorologist warning if they were gay. Which has to be one of the most ridiculous polls and statements I have heard on here in quite awhile, and is so not even close to anything near what your post are usually like. Which can only lead me to believe you need to take a break, and or some really deep breaths.

This whole debate has turned more into a the liberals say and mean this and the conservatives say and mean this, than anything that has to do with the teachings of Christ. Or what the scriptures tell us is a sin or not, and how we are to approach those issues.

In fact it is beginning to sound like I am on a field trip/vacation with two kids in the back seat yelling he touched me, he touched me. No I didn't he did it.

Well, he hit me back first!

 

[DMagoh]

I'm leaving this thread. You can say whatever you wish about me now, I wont be back to defend myself. But please, do see someone about your paranoia. Or as savedandhappy1 said, take a break or something. Take a pill. Have a glass of wine. Everybody is not out to get you. It's okay.

 

[Time4AChange]

In a nutshell: I would like for you, and DMagoh, and MercyBurst, and Der Alter, and NewGuy101, etc. to cut the "we love the sinner and hate the sin" cowpies and come out say what you really THINK, which I believe is going to be be (though this may not apply to you, per se): We hate gays, and we believe God hates gays, and we hate the gay people on this board -- and they're doomed and damned and frankly, we're glad!

Im sorry you feel that way, but for me (and i can only speak for myself) I don't hate ANYONE...God knows that, and if you feel otherwise...then im sorry that you feel that way.

Which is what, in my practical experience, "we love the sinner and hate the sin" actually means. It's not like I was born yesterday, and I know all too well the vast difference which often exists between what people say and what people really believe.

Do you also know all too well that as Christians it should be normal for us to "love the sinner and hate the sin". Your practical experiences are probably true, i cant say that you're lying....But at the same time, how can one be a true follower of Christ if he hates another man (the sinner)...or if he loves another person's sin or his own. We are supposed to love the sinner and hate the sin, as a Christian their is no other alternative, and that's what i genuinely try to do. Now if you can show me how im just saying this, and i actually believe something else...then i'd appreciate it

 

[tulc]

Well, the Centers for Disease Control call AIDS a Sexually Transmitted Disease. Did they get it wrong?

That means you can get it by sex, but when you say "Well if people just didn't have sex..." you are only dealing with part of the problem. People are still at risk if there is fluid transfer where sex doesn't occur. (shared neddles and such) So yes it can be transfered by sex, but that isn't the only way.
tulc(been dealing with this almost since the beginning)

 

[tulc]

Aren't the members you just listed also gay? So you only get along with other gay people?

Well I can't speak for anyone else but I'm not gay, just one of "those" Christians.
tulc(Mrs.tulc will vouch for me, honest!)

 

[tulc]

dmagoh(i was just asking about the after thoughts because i thought they were cute and i liked them. could you pour me a cup of coffee while you're up?)

My brother, I will gladly always share my coffee with you!
tulc(a fellow brother of the bean?)

 

[Uphill Battle]

1) You didn't see BAFIELD'S response to the poll, did you?

Well, as horrible as it was, it was kinda loaded, don't you think?

2) I'm still afraid of your fundamentalist fireman.

I dare say your perspective would be different if you were burning. but that would go both ways, wouldn't it!

I never implied that everybody hates me because I'm gay. I get along with Brieuse, davedjy, tulc, thefarmersdaughter and most of the people on this board just fine.

If I've implied anything, it's that you, MercyBurst, newguy101, and Der Alter hate me because I'm gay. Of course, I'm just going on the basis of many of the comments I've seen posted here by these same four people, several of whom have made absolutely no bones of describing how they feel about me (and others like me, including straight liberal Christians).

Hypothetical... do you think it would be possible to get along with someone who DOES think homosexuality is a sin? Jus' wonderin'.

You know I live in Texas, and that Texas is in the South, right?

Ah, you Texicans don't count.

Certainly you, BAFIELD, MercyBurst, Der Alter, and NewGuy101 have no apparent preconceived notions about gays, liberals, or liberal Christians; and we all know how open-minded and downright accepting so many of the fundamentalists here at CF are about their non-fundamentalist Christian brothers.

Another question.... do you believe someone who holds fundamentalist beliefs can be less than the horrible monsters you portray fundamentalists to be?

 

[UberLutheran]

I'm leaving this thread. You can say whatever you wish about me now, I wont be back to defend myself. But please, do see someone about your paranoia. Or as savedandhappy1 said, take a break or something. Take a pill. Have a glass of wine. Everybody is not out to get you. It's okay.

32. Declare victory and retreat. Don't underestimate the power of this little strategy-it worked for the U.S. in Vietnam, and may work again in Iraq.