Who Was Moses Talking To??

[rick357]

I'm with you so far.

now you lost me!



where in scripture do you find this?

The word is easy....gospel of John...and anywhere Jesus is called the word.
As to the breath....the hebrew word for spirit is breath

 

[JohnRabbit]

The word is easy....gospel of John...and anywhere Jesus is called the word.
As to the breath....the hebrew word for spirit is breath

I guess I'm having trouble understanding the "empowered by His breath" part.

can you elaborate?

 

[rick357]

I guess I'm having trouble understanding the "empowered by His breath" part.

can you elaborate?

The miracles Jesus did and healings and power he welded were performed by the Holy Spirit...Jesus laid aside his diety when he manifested in the flesh....when he says the father testified of him he is speaking of Gods Spirit working these things through him as a witness.
As to the OT use how do you speak...it is the air flow of your breath. That is used to empower the word which is the shaped exhale formed by the mind

 

[rick357]

The miracles Jesus did and healings and power he welded were performed by the Holy Spirit...Jesus laid aside his diety when he manifested in the flesh....when he says the father testified of him he is speaking of Gods Spirit working these things through him as a witness.
As to the OT use how do you speak...it is the air flow of your breath. That is used to empower the word which is the shaped exhale formed by the mind

These three are one

 

[listed]

your point has been noted.

i understand that you don't agree with the position that i stated.

so given this:


Exodus 24:9-11(NKJV)
9Then Moses went up, also Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel,
10and they saw the God of Israel. And there was under His feet as it were a paved work of sapphire stone, and it was like the very heavens in its clarity.
11But on the nobles of the children of Israel He did not lay His hand. So they saw God, and they ate and drank.

they saw God, according to this passage.

however, john writes:


1 John 4:12(NKJV)
12No one has seen God at any time...


how do you explain this "seeming" contradiction"?

What is your proof either one of them is telling the truth?

 

[listed]

The simple fact is “they” don’t explain it! Ever, Ever, Ever! They will use one verse and poof or abracadabra they are expert theologians, ministers or prophets.

Folks will come out here and try to dazzle one with meaningless words or phrases. I am not sure of what “qualify the statement” or “limit the force” means or offers, even to the round table.

“Limiting the force” makes me feel like I’m watching an episode of George Lucas’ Star Wars, yet it gets mixed with Conjunction Function Schoolhouse Rock because suddenly I have to “qualify a statement.” So it’s a double nightmare of structuring sentences and little 800 year old green guys floating aircraft up out of swamps on another planet.

One thing Jal said that was true was this was not an honest debate. That is true and that is because he failed to honestly bring to the table substantial and legitimate evidence to support how he viewed the subject. So the discussion or debate remains one-sided. You would think that in such a case as this, that one might go review in further detail what he/she understands about the subject at hand, returning only to enhance the on goings of the conversation. How much could we all learn if these debates and discussions were exactly that? But human reasoning and feeling are always involved and the biggest one being, “I am always right!” The second one translates into “I know you’re wrong because I am right, but I don’t need to validate my claim.” Which either they cannot support it or don’t know how, which is it?

The bible is full of subjects too numerous to list. But often we find the ones most discussed in these forums are repeated over and over again. Such as:
1) Who and what is God?
2) Whom did Moses talk to on Mt. Sinai?
3) What are the commandments of God and do they apply today?
4) What is man and what is his purpose?

Those few and fundamental questions if understood build upon each other a foundation even a greater understanding.

But that is hard to do when the debate or discussion lacks honest presentation and relevance from both sides.

So no, JohnRabbit, they will not answer this post or question you presented simply because they would have to “limit the force” to the facts and “qualify their statements” with scripture to present their view.


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What about Ex 33:20? Why would God tell Moses this if he asked something else? Is God dodging the question of Moses?

 

[JohnRabbit]

What is your proof either one of them is telling the truth?

Jesus is my proof!

He's the One that said the scripture cannot be broken (jn 10:35).


but rather than trying to invalidate the obvious, why don't you try answering the question i posed?

 

[JohnRabbit]

What about Ex 33:20? Why would God tell Moses this if he asked something else? Is God dodging the question of Moses?

how are you asking these questions after what i said to you in post #40?

 

[JohnRabbit]

As to the OT use how do you speak...it is the air flow of your breath. That is used to empower the word which is the shaped exhale formed by the mind

so this "exhalation" of God brought about Jesus?

i read the verses:

John 1:1-2(NKJV)
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2He was in the beginning with God.


i simply don't see what you say in john's account.

 

[listed]

Jesus is my proof!

He's the One that said the scripture cannot be broken (jn 10:35).


but rather than trying to invalidate the obvious, why don't you try answering the question i posed?

Sure which one do you want me to agree with? Your 2 quotes oppose each other. So which one of either is telling the truth. What is your proof either of them is telling the truth? If its Moses you make Jesus a liar because you contend that Moses talked to Jesus in Exodus.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Sure which one do you want me to agree with? Your 2 quotes oppose each other. So which one of either is telling the truth. What is your proof either of them is telling the truth? If its Moses you make Jesus a liar because you contend that Moses talked to Jesus in Exodus.

you don't have to do anything to appease me!

there are two scripture listed, listed . i just asked you to comment on them.

they are telling the truth because we read it from the word of God, unless you don't think that's the case!

 

[listed]

how are you asking these questions after what i said to you in post #40?

I see. Moses asked a specific question and God gave an unrelated answer. This is called dodging the question.

You have Moses seeing God in 24 and I have Moses asking to see God in 33 to which God says no. Moses wrote both. One statement disagrees with your question about what John wrote. Who's telling the truth? Since Moses freely contradicts himself, how can he be said to be a reliable witness?

 

[listed]

you don't have to do anything to appease me!

there are two scripture listed, listed . i just asked you to comment on them.

they are telling the truth because we read it from the word of God, unless you don't think that's the case!

I provided comment on both of them. My theory is you do not like it. You do not wish to answer my return question.

 

[JohnRabbit]

I see. Moses asked a specific question and God gave an unrelated answer. This is called dodging the question.

You have Moses seeing God in 24 and I have Moses asking to see God in 33 to which God says no. Moses wrote both. One statement disagrees with your question about what John wrote. Who's telling the truth? Since Moses freely contradicts himself, how can he be said to be a reliable witness?

what part of no man shall see God in His full glory do you not understand?

have you compared the verses i pointed out to you?


nevertheless, i'm waiting on your comment on the two verses, or you could just tell me who moses spoke to!


it would be nice to see you actually answer a question!

 

[JohnRabbit]

I provided comment on both of them.

so you're answer is that the bible is telling a lie?

 

[rick357]

I see. Moses asked a specific question and God gave an unrelated answer. This is called dodging the question.

You have Moses seeing God in 24 and I have Moses asking to see God in 33 to which God says no. Moses wrote both. One statement disagrees with your question about what John wrote. Who's telling the truth? Since Moses freely contradicts himself, how can he be said to be a reliable witness?

The High priest saw the glory of God apon the arc...hence as a phrase face to face...but that is differant than in his full presance which would kill a sinfull man

 

[listed]

what part of no man shall see God in His full glory do you not understand?

have you compared the verses i pointed out to you?


nevertheless, i'm waiting on your comment on the two verses, or you could just tell me who moses spoke to!


it would be nice to see you actually answer a question!

That is not what Moses asked God for.

I would but you desire only a specific answer which I can not agree to. Should I give a direct answer to either one you will only argue about it. So other than the answer I already provided the answer you seek will go unwritten from me.

 

[listed]

so you're answer is that the bible is telling a lie?

I did not say that. You are trying to put words in my mouth to support your argument. Essentially you are arguing with yourself.

 

[listed]

The High priest saw the glory of God apon the arc...hence as a phrase face to face...but that is differant than in his full presance which would kill a sinfull man

Does that mean the High Priest did not see God?

 

[rick357]

Does that mean the High Priest did not see God?

He saw a manifestation of God in the same way Jesus told the disciples if youve seen me youve seen the Father....
but one day we will stand face to face in his presance...
those who do not have his life within them will be consumed by the consuming fire of his holy presance...
those who have that life in them will be purified as the burning bush...everything but that life consumed