Who should I vote for to end the war?

[Paulos23]

They will.

Don't think Russia will currently, not with Putin and his ilk at the lead.

 

[Love365]

Don't think Russia will currently, not with Putin and his ilk at the lead.

We need more human connections between Russia and the West.

 

[Arcangl86]

If you believe in democracy and free speech,
let them vote and let them speak.

Granting somebody a seat in the legislature of a entity they are not a member of is neither free speech or democracy. It's like saying that NATO countries should have seats in the Duma.

 

[Love365]

Granting somebody a seat in the legislature of a entity they are not a member of is neither free speech or democracy. It's like saying that NATO countries should have seats in the Duma.

Russia and Ukraine are European countries.

 

[Paulos23]

We need more human connections between Russia and the West.

Granted, but just giving them a seat in the EU without them meeting the requirements for EU membership does not help. They have to show interest in meeting us more than half way.

 

[Arcangl86]

Russia and Ukraine are European countries.

So? They aren't members of the European Union.

 

[All Becomes New]

there are things that people will fight for.

That's a very pragmatic view. But just because people do things does not mean those things are right to do.

 

[Love365]

Granted, but just giving them a seat in the EU without them meeting the requirements for EU membership does not help. They have to show interest in meeting us more than half way.

At this point people are afraid to learn the Russian language.

People are afraid to visit Russia.

Where is the starting point?

 

[Desk trauma]

Where is the starting point?

A unconditional Russian withdrawal from all the territories of Ukraine including Crimea.

 

[Paulos23]

At this point people are afraid to learn the Russian language.

People are afraid to visit Russia.

Where is the starting point?

Russia could try to be friendlier and more open. Stop trying to make the Russian Empire.

 

[Paulos23]

That's a very pragmatic view. But just because people do things does not mean those things are right to do.

No, but at what point do you fight, and at what point do you just take it?

The price of freedom is not always blood, but it is most of the time.

 

[Desk trauma]

That's a very pragmatic view. But just because people do things does not mean those things are right to do.

Just because one surrenders to the Russians that is not a guarantee of the end of bloodshed, see katyn, nor an end to expansionism.

 

[All Becomes New]

No, but at what point do you fight, and at what point do you just take it?

There is not a simple answer to this AFAIK.

The price of freedom is not always blood, but it is most of the time.

Well, maybe, maybe not. Freedom does usually come with some cost. On that, I agree. In fact, it's a very Christian idea. Limits are good for us. It's like providing structure for children. The children don't always like it, but it is good for them.

 

[Paulos23]

Well, maybe, maybe not. Freedom does usually come with some cost. On that, I agree. In fact, it's a very Christian idea. Limits are good for us. It's like providing structure for children. The children don't always like it, but it is good for them.

In the context of the Ukraine War, Russia is the one that invaded and Ukraine has a right to defend. I understand not wanting the bloodshed, but Russia has made it clear, they wanted Ukraine. And I don't blame Ukraine wanting to push Russia out, and into the Black Sea in some cases.

Wanting the bloodshed to end is noble, but violence is the base solution for many arguments. I don't see any advantage to Ukraine if they stop fighting now. Russia is not going to give up the territory they have taken. And let us be clear here, Russia is the aggressor here. If we where being fair about this they would leave and give it all back.

 

[AV1611VET]

Who should I vote for to end the war in Ukraine?

The Prince of Peace.

 

[childeye 2]

If you believe in democracy and free speech,
let them vote and let them speak.

Exactly, Democracy vs Autocracy is what the geopolitical delegation of power is about. As an autocrat Putin doesn't allow political free speech that criticizes his policies. Instead, he only allows his propaganda. For example, in Russia it's against the law to call the war a war.

 

[Love365]

Exactly, Democracy vs Autocracy is what the geopolitical delegation of power is about. As an autocrat Putin doesn't allow political free speech that criticizes his policies. Instead, he only allows his propaganda. For example, in Russia it's against the law to call the war a war.

Was it possible for Russia to turn back on the water to Crimea,

without doing the war?

 

[Gene2memE]

Was it possible for Russia to turn back on the water to Crimea,

without doing the war?

Sure, they could have ended their illegal occupation of annexed land.

 

[Vylo]

They will.

Russia has shown no interest in democracy.

 

[Love365]

Russia has shown no interest in democracy.

After the Soviet Union ended,
Russia started becoming more democratic.

Russia may have become 80 percent democratic at one point.

But as NATO started creeping closer to the Russian border,
Russia became about 50 percent democratic.

After the war started in 2022,
Russia became about 35 percent democratic.