Who really cares what the ECF's had to say?

[Ramon96]

If I have said it once, I have said it a 1000 times, I appeal to the SCRIPTURES not the ECF's!!!! Case Closed and there is nothing the RCs or Orthodox can do to change that. Absolutely nothing. Comprende? Thank you and have a nice day.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7265785

Yea, and you still have not prove your doctrine using Scriptures. Where is Solo-Scriptural in the Holy Bible? And do not give me Scriptures which proves the Holy Bible is a inspired work of God, since this doesn't prove Solo-Scriptural. We do not have a problem with saying the Holy Bible is 100% inspired by God. All we asking is for you and other Protestants to give a Rock-Solid Scripture (i.e., "Only Follow what is Written") that proves Solo-Scriptural. Solo-Scriptural is a direct contradiction of 2 Thes 2:15.

You may appeal to Scriptures alone, but you follow your own interpretations of Scriptures. And don't you appeal to the ECF to determine which books belong in the Holy Bible or did the Holy Bible came flying down from Heaven all wrap up and prepare to go with a little note saying "These are the Books that constructs the Holy Bible"?

Blessings,
Ramon

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yea, and you still have not prove your doctrine using Scriptures. Where is Solo-Scriptural in the Holy Bible? And do not give me Scriptures which proves the Holy Bible is a inspired work of God, since this doesn't prove Solo-Scriptural. All we asking is for you and other Protestants to give a Rock-Solid Scripture (i.e., "Only Follow what is Written") that proves Solo-Scriptural.

Blessings,
Ramon

Why should we? Your 2 Denominations need to work out your own problems with each other.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=6050583&page=14
What would it take for catholics to convert to Orthodox Church?

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=6072629&page=8
The Pope versus the Orthodox Church

 

[Ramon96]

Why should we? Your 2 Denominations need to work out your own problems with each other.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=6050583&page=14
What would it take for catholics to convert to Orthodox Church?

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=6072629&page=8
The Pope versus the Orthodox Church

You still have not answer the questions. Why do you find it so difficult to answer the questions? Why do you always go off-topic?. One thing have nothing to do with the other my friend. So by your post, can I take it that no Scripture support your doctrine of Solo-Scriptural?

My post again:

Where is Solo-Scriptural in the Holy Bible? And do not give me Scriptures which proves the Holy Bible is a inspired work of God, since this doesn't prove Solo-Scriptural. We do not have a problem with saying the Holy Bible is 100% inspired by God. All we asking is for you and other Protestants to give a Rock-Solid Scripture (i.e., "Only Follow what is Written") that proves Solo-Scriptural. Solo-Scriptural is a direct contradiction of 2 Thes 2:15.

You may appeal to Scriptures alone, but you follow your own interpretations of Scriptures. And don't you appeal to the ECF to determine which books belong in the Holy Bible or did the Holy Bible came flying down from Heaven all wrap up and prepare to go with a little note saying "These are the Books that constructs the Holy Bible, With Love: God"?

Are you going to give another response that have nothing to do with this or are you going to answer all my questions? Are we talking about the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church or why we [Orthodox] are separated from the Roman Church? I do not know, because for some reason I was under the impression that we was talking about the ECF, Solo-Scriptural, Church Authority, etc.

Blessings,
Ramon

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You still have not answer the questions. Why do you find it so difficult to answer the questions? Why do you always go off-topic?. One thing have nothing to do with the other my friend. So by your post, can I take it that no Scripture support your doctrine of Solo-Scriptural?

Why the heck should it matter to you or anyone else for that matter? Just stick with your Denomination and be happy in the Lord and read the Bible often.

Romans 8:21 That also herself, the Creation, shall be being freed of the bondage of the corruption into the freedom of the glory of the offspring/children/teknwn <5043> of the God;

 

[Ramon96]

Why the heck should it matter to you or anyone else for that matter? Just stick with your Denomination and be happy in the Lord and read the Bible often.

Romans 8:21 That also herself, the Creation, shall be being freed of the bondage of the corruption into the freedom of the glory of the offspring/children/teknwn <5043> of the God;

But this is the discussion that we are "supposedly" having. So I do care, so would you answer my questions then? Are you able to answer my questions without going "off-track"? It seems you cannot answer my questions and prove something that you strongly adhere to which have no Scriptural foundation. You do realize that this is a discussion about the ECF, Solo-Scriptural, Church Authority, etc, right? You believe that we wrong, so I am asking to prove Solo-Scriptural is correct. You said you do not appeal to the ECF, but don't you appeal to the ECF to determine which books belong in the Holy Bible or did the Holy Bible came flying down from Heaven all wrap up and prepare to go with a little note saying "These are the Books that constructs the Holy Bible, With Love: God"?

Please answer my questions in Post #243, since this is the discussion that is involved in this blog, and apparently you are here posting so it seems you are part of this discussion, right?

Blessings,
Ramon

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

But this is the discussion that we are "supposedly" having. So I care, so would you answer my questions then?

I already answered the OP. I DO NOT REALLY CARE WHAT THE ECFs said. Don't make me turn Calvinist

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7265785

http://www.predestinarian.net/forum/...splay.php?f=28

http://www.predestinarian.net/forum/...ead.php?t=4263
James Exposed

Nicolas, this is very good stuff.

Post # 42 quote: There are many lies within christendumb that need to be set straight.

Post # 44 The Roman Catholic (Western), Greek Orthodox (Eastern), and the Protestants (schismatics of the Western Church), love to appeal to the early fathers for their identity and foundation. Especially Rome and the Orthodox sects.

 

[Ramon96]

I already answered the OP. I DO NOT REALLY CARE WHAT THE ECFs said. Don't make me turn Calvinist

Well you still have not answer my questions [and once again going off-topic]. Don't you appeal to the ECF to determine which books belong in the Holy Bible or did the Holy Bible came flying down from Heaven all wrap up and prepare to go with a little note saying "These are the Books that constructs the Holy Bible, With Love: God"? You care what they have to say about which books belong in the Holy Bible, right?

SEEMS YOU DO CARE WHAT THE ECF SAID AFTER ALL..............

Blessings,
Ramon

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Well you still have not answer my questions [and once again going off-topic]. Don't you appeal to the ECF to determine which books belong in the Holy Bible or did the Holy Bible came flying down from Heaven all wrap up and prepare to go with a little note saying "These are the Books that constructs the Holy Bible, With Love: God"? You care what they have to say about which books belong in the Holy Bible, right?

SEEMS YOU DO CARE WHAT THE ECF SAID..............

Blessings,
Ramon

No I do not appeal to the ECFS period, nor the Orthodox or Catholic's authority for that matter.

 

[Ramon96]

No I do not appeal to the ECFS period, nor the Orthodox or Catholic's authority for that matter.

So how did the Holy Bible Came to be? How did the Bible became Canonized? Did the Holy Bible came flying down from Heaven all wrap up and prepare to go with a little note saying "These are the Books that constructs the Holy Bible, With Love: God"?

And who do you appeal to? Your own authority of course.

Blessings,
Ramon

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

So how did the Holy Bible Came to be? Did the Holy Bible came flying down from Heaven all wrap up and prepare to go with a little note saying "These are the Books that constructs the Holy Bible, With Love: God"?

Blessings,
Ramon

Yep. That is how I look at it.

 

[Ramon96]

Yep. That is how I look at it.

Proof?

It look Like you all alone in this matter. Can you prove your statement? I am really interested in your theory that the Holy Bible came flying down from Heaven with all the books attached to it. Where are the facts?

I am here to learn, so teach me LittleLambofJesus

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Proof?

Good bye Ramon I have already answered the question of the OP title "Who really cares what the ECF had to say". And I answered " I do not care" nor have I ever read the ECFs neither do I ever care to read them.
And with that, LLOJ unsubscribes from this ECF "ferris wheel". Bye bye.

 

[Ramon96]

Good bye Ramon I have already answered the question of the OP title "Who really cares what the ECF had to say". And I answered " I do not care" nor have I ever read the ECFs neither do I ever care to read them.
And with that, LLOJ unsubscribes from this ECF "ferris wheel". Bye bye.

O.k, like Montalban said, you and others here are just making "Just so" statements. I thought we could have a good discussion, but oh well. This really interest me. Maybe others can address the issues at hand.

Anyway, I hope God bless you and your family.

Agape

Blessings,
Ramon

P.S, it seems you do [or did] care what the ECF's have to say since you made threads entitled "ECFs and agreement on age of the Earth question" and "Early ECFs and Queen/Babylon in Revelation" in this forum not to long ago"

Edit: So from 5 days you went from "I care what the ECF have to say" to "I do not care what the ECF have to say" otherwise you would have not made threads to learn what the ECF's said about a particular subject to begin with. I wonder why LittleLambofJesus have been in this thread so long if his intention was not to have a discussion.

 

[Montalban]

If I have said it once, I have said it a 1000 times, I appeal to the SCRIPTURES not the ECF's!!!! Case Closed and there is nothing the RCs or Orthodox can do to change that. Absolutely nothing. Comprende? Thank you and have a nice day.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7265785

Where in scripture does it say that you should only appeal to scripture?

 

[Montalban]

Montalban it seems that no Protestant here want to answer the questions we put out.

The lack of an ability to answer shows that its not the 'gift of tongues' but the 'gift of confusion' that Protestants have. And I know it's not a gift from God to confuse people.

 

[Montalban]

Good bye Ramon I have already answered the question of the OP title "Who really cares what the ECF had to say". And I answered " I do not care" nor have I ever read the ECFs neither do I ever care to read them.
And with that, LLOJ unsubscribes from this ECF "ferris wheel". Bye bye.

So you're subscribing to a thread you agree with because you agree with it - and you don't contemplate any challenges to that belief?

So really the OP should be

"Please add your name to the list of people who don't care..." rather than an actual discussion

 

[MamaZ]

I take it you're refusing to answer my questions because you have nothing more to give than circular logic

what question was that? For the Church is made up of people that are born of the Spirit of God. All being the royal Priesthood and all being part of the Body of Christ. We are joined to Christs body by grace through Faith and that not of ourselves but the gift of God. Having been born again so that the Holy Spirit in us bears witness with our Spirit that we are the Children of God where by we cry Abba Father. Knowing that Christ became sin for us. Knowing that we have eternal life just as scripture tells us. Not by works that anyone should boast but because of His great Love for us God sent His Son into the world so that we may have life and that life abundantly.

 

[MamaZ]

Mamaz gave Scriptures that only teaches that the Bible is 100% inspired by God not that only Scriptures is the inspired work of God.

Show me where any other than scripture is it written that is to be inspired of God? We do not see where tradtion is inspired by God. In fact we see where Jesus condemns tradtions that contradict the written word of God or adds to the written word of God. We see where we are to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.. Gods breath. Then we see that scripture is indeed breathed by God. So therefore this is what I as His am to live on. IF scripture is suffecient to fully equip the man of God why would I need ECF to teach me? For I have the very Scriptures to teach me. I do not need men to teach me. For I have the annointing in me that teaches me. He is the Spirit of Truth. Jesus is Truth and God is True. Men on the other hand are fallable.. So therefore tradtions of men are not solid nor can they be trusted to lead you into truth. Show me where Jesus stated anything other than they word is truth.

 

[MamaZ]

when God chose the men to put the cannon of the bible together It was accomplised. Now we have the sure word set before us that is pure and without error. To God be the Glory not men. IF God can talk through a donkey to get His word out He can surely talk through men to cannonize the scripture that He breathed. For even Paul said He was nothing. Why would the ECF be any different than Paul..

 

[Yarddog]

when God chose the men to put the cannon of the bible together It was accomplised. Now we have the sure word set before us that is pure and without error. To God be the Glory not men. IF God can talk through a donkey to get His word out He can surely talk through men to cannonize the scripture that He breathed. For even Paul said He was nothing. Why would the ECF be any different than Paul..

If God chose these men to put the canon of the bible together, why do you not trust these same men for what was put into canon on other issues?

Yarddog