Who is the prophet in Deuteronomy 18:18?

[Robban]

Wakey, wakey, rise and shine,
The World is sleepwalking, but it is time to wake up

(Just had to say it.
Coz, who knows the number of ones days?)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Abraham was their father...

Genesis 25:9 And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which is before Mamre; 25:10 The field which Abraham purchased of the sons of Heth: there was Abraham buried, and Sarah his wife...........

Who is who is determined through the mother.........*snip*........

Interesting.

Since Abraham was a Hebrew, that would make both sons Hebrews, tho I think Sarah, the mother of Isaac, was also Hebrew.
Whereas Hagar was Egyptian.

Gen 16:15
So Hagar bore Abram a son; and Abram named his son, whom Hagar bore, Ishmael.

Gen 17:19 Then God said: “No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; I will establish
My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his descendants after him

Tho Isaac is mentioned over a dozen times in the NT of the Bible, Ishmael is never mentioned by name, but referred to a "born of the bondwoman" in Galatians 4....

Romans 9:7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.”[fn]

Gal 4:
22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh,
and he of the freewoman through promise,
24 which things are symbolic.
For these are the[fn] two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar—
25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.

 

[FredVB]

There is a long history of promises in the Hebrew Bible, our old testament of the Bible, of the coming one, who would be the great one like Moses that should be listened to, which this promise fits in with.

In starts in the beginning, with the fall, in Genesis 3, for what comes to the great serpent of old, Satan.
I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.

There are many of the promises, I show here meaningful ones that are right on my mind. In Genesis 12 promise of the coming one is shown through what Yahweh told Abraham.
I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

In 2 Samuel 7 more promise involving this coming one is told, to King David.
I will set up your seed after you, who will come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. And your house and your kingdom shall be established forever before you. Your throne shall be established forever.

In Micah 5, there is this promise of that coming one.
But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Though you are little among the thousands of Judah,
Yet out of you shall come forth to Me
The One to be Ruler in Israel,
Whose goings forth are from of old,
From everlasting.

In Isaiah 52-53 there is this of him.
Behold, My Servant shall deal prudently;
He shall be exalted and extolled and be very high.
Just as many were astonished at you,
So His visage was marred more than any man,
And His form more than the sons of men;
So shall He sprinkle many nations.
Kings shall shut their mouths at Him;
For what had not been told them they shall see,
And what they had not heard they shall consider.
Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of Yahweh been revealed?
For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant,
And as a root out of dry ground.
He has no form or comeliness;
And when we see Him,
There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
He is despised and rejected by men,
A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.
And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And Yahweh has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
And they made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
Yet it pleased Yahweh to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of Yahweh shall prosper in His hand.
He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.

This anointed one who was to come certainly has only Jesus to fit the promises, and God said to hear him, just as there was the prophet to come afterward to hear, that Moses was told to speak of.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Wakey, wakey, rise and shine,
The World is sleepwalking, but it is time to wake up

(Just had to say it.
Coz, who knows the number of ones days?)

That is what my bro St Saul/Paul says:

Romans 13:11
And this being being aware the time, that hour already ye out of sleep to be roused,
for now nearer of us the Salvation/swthria <4991> than we believe [Reve 7:10, 12:10, 19:1]

Reve 12:10
And I hear great voice saying in the Heaven "now became the Salvation/swthria <4991> and the power and the Kingdom of the God of us, and the authority of the Christ of Him.
That was cast the Accuser of the brothers of us, the onevaccusing them in sight of the God of us day and night. [John 5:45]

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

Thus they cut the very sinews of their own strength. At this critical and alarming conjuncture, intelligence arrived that the Roman an army was approaching the city. The Jews were petrified with astonishment and fear ; there was no time for counsel, no hope of pacification, no means of flight:-- all was wild disorder and perplexity :- nothing was to be heard but "the confused noise of the warrior, " -- nothing to be seen but garments rolled in blood," -- nothing to be expected from the Romans but signal and exemplary vengeance...............

 

[Robban]

That is what my bro St Saul/Paul says:

Romans 13:11
And this being being aware the time, that hour already ye out of sleep to be roused,
for now nearer of us the Salvation/swthria <4991> than we believe [Reve 7:10, 12:10, 19:1]

Reve 12:10
And I hear great voice saying in the Heaven "now became the Salvation/swthria <4991> and the power and the Kingdom of the God of us, and the authority of the Christ of Him.
That was cast the Accuser of the brothers of us, the onevaccusing them in sight of the God of us day and night. [John 5:45]

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

Thus they cut the very sinews of their own strength. At this critical and alarming conjuncture, intelligence arrived that the Roman an army was approaching the city. The Jews were petrified with astonishment and fear ; there was no time for counsel, no hope of pacification, no means of flight:-- all was wild disorder and perplexity :- nothing was to be heard but "the confused noise of the warrior, " -- nothing to be seen but garments rolled in blood," -- nothing to be expected from the Romans but signal and exemplary vengeance...............

One outcome could well be,
When the nations gather and surround Jerusalem,

They will be struck with confusion and slay eachother,

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That is what my bro St Saul/Paul says:

Romans 13:11
And this being being aware the time, that hour already ye out of sleep to be roused,
for now nearer of us the Salvation than we believe [Reve 7:10, 12:10, 19:1]

Reve 12:10
And I hear great voice saying in the Heaven "now became the Salvation and the power and the Kingdom of the God of us, and the authority of the Christ of Him.
That was cast the Accuser of the brothers of us, the one accusing them in sight of the God of us day and night. [John 5:45]

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

Thus they cut the very sinews of their own strength. At this critical and alarming conjuncture, intelligence arrived that the Roman an army was approaching the city. The Jews were petrified with astonishment and fear ; there was no time for counsel, no hope of pacification, no means of flight:-- all was wild disorder and perplexity :- nothing was to be heard but "the confused noise of the warrior, " -- nothing to be seen but garments rolled in blood," -- nothing to be expected from the Romans but signal and exemplary vengeance...............

One outcome could well be,
When the nations gather and surround Jerusalem,

They will be struck with confusion and slay eachother,

That was fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in AD as prophecied by the prophets in the OT and Jesus the Messiah in the NT, especially the BOOK OF REVELATION, imho...........

Ezekiel 38:21
Then will I call against him every terror, declareth My Lord Yahweh.
The sword of every man against his brother shall be;
[Matt 10:34/Revelation 6:4]

Mat 10:
21 “Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death.
22 “And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.
34 "No thou should be inferring that I came to be casting Peace upon the land.
Not I came to be casting Peace but a Sword

Revelation 6:4
and there went forth another horse--red, and to him who is sitting upon it, there was given to him to take the peace from the land,
and that one another they may slay, and there was given to him a great sword.
[Ezekiel 38:21/Matt ]

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
The Destruction Of JERUSALEM
An Absolute and Irresistible PROOF OF THE DIVINE ORIGIN OF CHRISTIANITY:

*snip*........ While Jerusalem was a prey to these ferocious and devouring factions, every part of Judea was scourged and laid waste by bands of robbers and murderers, who plundered the towns; and, in case of resistance, slew the inhabitants, not sparing either women or children..
Simon, son of Gioras, the commander of one of these bands, at the head of forty thousand banditti, having with some difficulty entered Jerusalem, gave birth to a third faction, and the flame of civil discord blazed out again, with still more destructive fury. The three factions, rendered frantic by drunkenness, rage, and desperation, trampling on heaps of slain, fought against each other with brutal savageness and madness.
Even such as brou't sacrifices to the temple were murdered. The dead bodies of priests and worshippers, both natives and foreigners were heaped together, and a lake of blood stagnated in the sacred courts. John of Gischala, who headed one of the factions, burnt storehouses full of provisions ; and Simon, his great antagonist, who headed another of them, soon afterwards followed his example. Thus they cut the very sinews of their own strength.
At this critical and alarming c onjuncture, intelligence arrived that the Roman an army was approaching the city. The Jews were petrified with astonishment and fear ; there was no time for counsel, no hope of pacification, no means of flight:-- all was wild disorder and perplexity :- nothing was to be heard but "the confused noise of the warrior, " -- nothing to be seen but garments rolled in blood

 

[Robban]

That was fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in AD as prophecied by the prophets in the OT and Jesus the Messiah in the NT, especially the BOOK OF REVELATION, imho...........

Ezekiel 38:21
Then will I call against him every terror, declareth My Lord Yahweh.
The sword of every man against his brother shall be;
[Matt 10:34/Revelation 6:4]

Mat 10:
21 “Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death.
22 “And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.
34 "No thou should be inferring that I came to be casting Peace upon the land.
Not I came to be casting Peace but a Sword

Revelation 6:4
and there went forth another horse--red, and to him who is sitting upon it, there was given to him to take the peace from the land,
and that one another they may slay, and there was given to him a great sword.
[Ezekiel 38:21/Matt ]

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
The Destruction Of JERUSALEM
An Absolute and Irresistible PROOF OF THE DIVINE ORIGIN OF CHRISTIANITY:

*snip*........ While Jerusalem was a prey to these ferocious and devouring factions, every part of Judea was scourged and laid waste by bands of robbers and murderers, who plundered the towns; and, in case of resistance, slew the inhabitants, not sparing either women or children..
Simon, son of Gioras, the commander of one of these bands, at the head of forty thousand banditti, having with some difficulty entered Jerusalem, gave birth to a third faction, and the flame of civil discord blazed out again, with still more destructive fury. The three factions, rendered frantic by drunkenness, rage, and desperation, trampling on heaps of slain, fought against each other with brutal savageness and madness.
Even such as brou't sacrifices to the temple were murdered. The dead bodies of priests and worshippers, both natives and foreigners were heaped together, and a lake of blood stagnated in the sacred courts. John of Gischala, who headed one of the factions, burnt storehouses full of provisions ; and Simon, his great antagonist, who headed another of them, soon afterwards followed his example. Thus they cut the very sinews of their own strength.
At this critical and alarming c onjuncture, intelligence arrived that the Roman an army was approaching the city. The Jews were petrified with astonishment and fear ; there was no time for counsel, no hope of pacification, no means of flight:-- all was wild disorder and perplexity :- nothing was to be heard but "the confused noise of the warrior, " -- nothing to be seen but garments rolled in blood

But this time the shoe may be on the other foot.

A pay back time, of sorts.

 

[FredVB]

One outcome could well be,
When the nations gather and surround Jerusalem,
They will be struck with confusion and slay eachother,

That was fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in AD as prophecied by the prophets in the OT and Jesus the Messiah in the NT, especially the BOOK OF REVELATION, imho

Yes, it was apparently worse than it would be at any other time at that time in history. But as there are double or multiple fulfillments of other things prophesied in the scriptures, so it is likely the case with this. Jesus was speaking of what would come that would precede his coming, and the scenario in Revelation is definitely about what is happening in the times in which he will return in the judgments on this world. There will be the armies to, insanely, fight against Yahweh God, they gather in the promised land in the vicinity of Jerusalem, and according to the prophecy linking to this in Zechariah it is to fight Jerusalem. In what is prophesied Christ, who is Yahweh in Zechariah 12:9 and Zechariah 14:3-4, defeats them. This is surely yet to happen.

 

[Robban]

Yes, it was apparently worse than it would be at any other time at that time in history. But as there are double or multiple fulfillments of other things prophesied in the scriptures, so it is likely the case with this. Jesus was speaking of what would come that would precede his coming, and the scenario in Revelation is definitely about what is happening in the times in which he will return in the judgments on this world. There will be the armies to, insanely, fight against Yahweh God, they gather in the promised land in the vicinity of Jerusalem, and according to the prophecy linking to this in Zechariah it is to fight Jerusalem. In what is prophesied Christ, who is Yahweh in Zechariah 12:9 and Zechariah 14:3-4, defeats them. This is surely yet to happen.

After Malachi, prophecy departed from Israel.

Malachi 4.
more than that I do not know.

 

[FredVB]

After Malachi, prophecy departed from Israel. Malachi 4.
more than that I do not know.

It might not be known by some people, but there are a great many prophecies that have been fulfilled in Jesus. So many could never still be determined as fulfilled in any individual in modern times, and it is far too unlikely that they were fulfilled by chance. Yahweh knew all along how they would be fulfilled.

 

[Robban]

It might not be known by some people, but there are a great many prophecies that have been fulfilled in Jesus. So many could never still be determined as fulfilled in any individual in modern times, and it is far too unlikely that they were fulfilled by chance. Yahweh knew all along how they would be fulfilled.

Well,
the more one digs the more one finds.

so trying to make ends meet can be made difficult when the ends keep moving.

So to speak.

 

[FredVB]

I had too many prophecies collected and had to delete those, and I left this to post.

"'The days are coming,' declares the Lord,
'when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah'" (Jeremiah 31:31).

Fulfillment:

"This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins" (Matthew 26:28).

As these prophecies (the many I collected) reveal, God planned our redemption all the way back in the garden. Jesus' death and resurrection were the most important events in history.

Jesus’ story reveals God's incredible love for us, we discover how incredibly thorough his plan for rescuing us was—now, we can all be reconciled to Him through the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus.

There are the prophecies that can be said to be unfulfilled. But who would still be the certain son of David that would yet come to fulfill those, and all those that Jesus fulfilled? It is better understood that Jesus, who had legitimate claim to be son of David, being resurrected, would come the second time to still fulfill more prophecies, those that were left for that.

Jesus Did Not Fulfill the Messianic Prophecies Found in the Old Testament | Jewish Voice Ministries International

 

[dlamberth]

I had too many prophecies collected and had to delete those, and I left this to post.

I care not of prophecies.
It's the Light of God shining in ones Heart that interest me.

 

[FredVB]

I care not of prophecies. It's the Light of God shining in ones Heart that interest me.

Certainly, God's light shining from our heart, which comes in repenting of sin contrary to God, to live for God through what is revealed, is important. Prophecy isn't for everyone. But fulfilled prophecy is of value when it can be shown to one responding, "Well, the more one digs the more one finds so trying to make ends meet can be made difficult when the ends keep moving." Fulfilled prophecy is not going to be moved from anything else being found. It is too bad, I think it would be desirable but Christian Forums won't permit all the fulfilled prophecies to be posted in one post. They were numbered. And I had started deleting them from the top, and didn't want to spend more time deleting the numbers on the items I could leave, and not knowing what I could leave, I deleted all of it but the last item on fulfilled prophecy. Christian forums not permitting all the fulfilled prophecies to be posted in one post is working against its Christianity in that issue, so it is ironic.

 

[Robban]

Certainly, God's light shining from our heart, which comes in repenting of sin contrary to God, to live for God through what is revealed, is important. Prophecy isn't for everyone. But fulfilled prophecy is of value when it can be shown to one responding, "Well, the more one digs the more one finds so trying to make ends meet can be made difficult when the ends keep moving." Fulfilled prophecy is not going to be moved from anything else being found. It is too bad, I think it would be desirable but Christian Forums won't permit all the fulfilled prophecies to be posted in one post. They were numbered. And I had started deleting them from the top, and didn't want to spend more time deleting the numbers on the items I could leave, and not knowing what I could leave, I deleted all of it but the last item on fulfilled prophecy. Christian forums not permitting all the fulfilled prophecies to be posted in one post is

working against its Christianity in that issue, so it is ironic.

Concerning the ultimate redemption, there are many sources which apply,

Both from Torah, book of Prophets and writings.

I could copy a partial list compiled by Maimonides,
many sources, but that would not change your mind.

Just as your list would have no effect on me.

So it is good that CF does not allow so much space to be taken up by......

fill in the blanks yourself.

 

[dlamberth]

Certainly, God's light shining from our heart, which comes in repenting of sin contrary to God, to live for God through what is revealed, is important.

I guess what I'm looking at is the trajectory of living through God...through God as though God is one's reality in life. That's a whole different mind set.

Prophecy isn't for everyone.

True. I wonder if it can get into the way of living though God through. For myself I find that it gets into he way, that's all.

 

[FredVB]

Concerning the ultimate redemption, there are many sources which apply,
Both from Torah, book of Prophets and writings.
I could copy a partial list compiled by Maimonides,
many sources, but that would not change your mind.
Just as your list would have no effect on me.
So it is good that CF does not allow so much

I think you're quite right. All your sources won't change my mind. Why? As I had posted,

Fulfilled prophecy is not going to be moved from anything else being found.

Because scores of fulfilled prophecies are convincing, and aren't dismissed with other information given without that. God would make prophecies that would be fulfilled, that others can't do.

And redemption pointed to in the Torah, the Prophets, and the Writings is not contrary to that, but consistent.

I guess what I'm looking at is the trajectory of living through God...through God as though God is one's reality in life. That's a whole different mind set.
I wonder if it can get into the way of living though God through. For myself I find that it gets into he way, that's all.

Living through God, with God working through us, is certainly of great value. And nothing should be more valued than God in our lives. If we are at where we see that, with truth there is with that, it would be fine. But apparently many are not there. Fulfilled prophecies are something that many of such, who would dismiss what is truth from what is revealed from God, would find convincing enough for not dismissing it.

 

[Robban]

I think you're quite right. All your sources won't change my mind. Why? As I had posted,


Because scores of fulfilled prophecies are convincing, and aren't dismissed with other information given without that. God would make prophecies that would be fulfilled, that others can't do.

And redemption pointed to in the Torah, the Prophets, and the Writings is not contrary to that, but consistent.



Living through God, with God working through us, is certainly of great value. And nothing should be more valued than God in our lives. If we are at where we see that, with truth there is with that, it would be fine. But apparently many are not there. Fulfilled prophecies are something that many of such, who would dismiss what is truth from what is revealed from God, would find convincing enough for not dismissing it.

You mean like Mathew 2:17?

It was supposed to be a fullfillment of a prophesy.

Killing all boys of two years of age and under,

does not fullfill the prophesy from Jeremiah 31:14.

Example.

Jeremiah 31:14,
So says the the Lord:
A voice is heard on high,
lamentation, bitter weeping.
Rachel weeping for for her children,
for they are not.

31:15,
So says the Lord:
Refrain your voice from weeping and your eyes from tears,
for there is reward for your work , says the Lord,
and they shall come back from the land of the enemy.


It was just for this that Rachel was not buried together with the Patriachs and Matriachs
in the cave of Makpelah.


So why bother going further?

 

[FredVB]

All your sources won't change my mind. Because scores of fulfilled prophecies are convincing, and aren't dismissed with other information given without that. God would make prophecies that would be fulfilled, that others can't do. And redemption pointed to in the Torah, the Prophets, and the Writings is not contrary to that, but consistent.

Fulfilled prophecies are something that many, who would dismiss what is truth from what is revealed from God, would find convincing enough for not dismissing it.

You mean like Mathew 2:17?

It was supposed to be a fullfillment of a prophesy.

Killing all boys of two years of age and under does not fullfill the prophesy from Jeremiah 31:14.

Jeremiah 31:14,
So says the the Lord:
A voice is heard on high,
lamentation, bitter weeping.
Rachel weeping for for her children,
for they are not.

31:15,
So says the Lord:
Refrain your voice from weeping and your eyes from tears,
for there is reward for your work , says the Lord,
and they shall come back from the land of the enemy.

It was just for this that Rachel was not buried together with the Patriachs and Matriachs
in the cave of Makpelah.

So why bother going further?

That was, in fact, not in the long list of gathered fulfilled prophecies that I might have posted. But it does seem to be a good one. Of course there was the other meaning for before, when Rachel's people were returning there from lands where the people were taken by their enemies. It is yet significant that there were children born in that land that were taken violently and killed, for Rachel to weep for, at the time it was happening to stop the Christ. And through Christ there is the resurrection, that those children, with many others, will return from death, the enemy of us all. Greater meaning in prophecy is something to understand.

Where do you get that this was why Rachel was not buried in the cave in Makpelah? Rachel had died in childbirth, while Jacob Israel had been in the area of Bethlehem with his family, so that was where she was buried. That was why she was there, and not at the cave of Makpelah.

 

[Robban]

That was, in fact, not in the long list of gathered fulfilled prophecies that I might have posted. But it does seem to be a good one. Of course there was the other meaning for before, when Rachel's people were returning there from lands where the people were taken by their enemies. It is yet significant that there were children born in that land that were taken violently and killed, for Rachel to weep for, at the time it was happening to stop the Christ. And through Christ there is the resurrection, that those children, with many others, will return from death, the enemy of us all. Greater meaning in prophecy is something to understand.

Where do you get that this was why Rachel was not buried in the cave in Makpelah? Rachel had died in childbirth, while Jacob Israel had been in the area of Bethlehem with his family, so that was where she was buried. That was why she was there, and not at the cave of Makpelah.

My answer to your question is simple, dear Watson.

I do not believe in coincidence.

It would be like saying the orchestra has no director.



The difference between us maybe, I do not share your eagerness to stretch things so far
as you seem to.

Do you not think your explanation has not crossed my mind?