Who is the prophet in Deuteronomy 18:18?

[Robban]

Regarding Baalam (per commentary of earliest Muslims) the following verses of the Qur'an were revealed. Just thought I'd share with you Robban.

And recite to them the news of him to whom we gave Our signs, but he detached himself from them; so Satan pursued him, and he became of the deviators. And if We had willed, we could have elevated him thereby, but he adhered [instead] to the earth and followed his own desire. So his example is like that of the dog: if you chase him, he pants, or if you leave him, he [still] pants. That is the example of the people who denied Our signs. So relate the stories that perhaps they will give thought.

JJ, I did not know Baalam was mentioned in the Qur`an, but then I have never held in one either, according to the source I named, it was a description of his low character. What is more important than who was a prophet or not imo is, what kind of oil did they have in their lamp, well just come back from the shops, while trying to decide which oil was best I knocked the shelf and four differents types fell over, luckily they fell into my basket, they were glass bottles, bought some green bananas too, now I am going off course, thank you for giving the info you did, and glad you are still around.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

PS to #238, Balaam, who had come prepared to curse, was forced to bless; the angel who delighted in evil was forced to consent to the blessings; the accuser was turned into an advocate.

Balaam is also mentioned in the jewish/hebrew book of Revelation

Reve 2:14 But I am having against of thee a few.
That thou are having there ones-holding the teaching of Balaam who taught to the Balak to be casting a snare before the sons of Israel to be eating idol sacrifices and to prostitute.

Search for 'Genesis 1:1' in the version

NKJV) Numbers 23:11 Then Balak said to Balaam, "What have you done to me? I took you to curse my enemies, and look, you have blessed [them] bountifully!"

 

[Robban]

Balaam is also mentioned in the jewish/hebrew book of Revelation

Reve 2:14 But I am having against of thee a few.
That thou are having there ones-holding the teaching of Balaam who taught to the Balak to be casting a snare before the sons of Israel to be eating idol sacrifices and to prostitute.

Search for 'Genesis 1:1' in the version

NKJV) Numbers 23:11 Then Balak said to Balaam, "What have you done to me? I took you to curse my enemies, and look, you have blessed [them] bountifully!"

Seems like that guy was one piece of bad news, he,s in a letter from Judas (correct spelling?) v 11.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus Balaam is also mentioned in the jewish/hebrew book of Revelation

Seems like that guy was one piece of bad news, he,s in a letter from Judas (correct spelling?) v 11.

Ahhh....good catch bro!

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

NKJV) Jude 1:11 Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.

NKJV) 2 Peter 2:15 They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the [son] of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

 

[brinny]

Do you mean Who is "speakiing" in Deut 18:18?

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." ~Deuteronomy 18:18

Who else but God, could say such a thing?

check out verse 19:

"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."

Who is speaking?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The Quran says Jews and christians are Mushrik the term that also denotes kaafirs in some instances.

Mushrik: Polytheists.

As per quran the Jews regard uzair as son of Allah .

Quran 9: 30 The Jews call Uzair a son of Allah and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the truth!"

I have never heard that before. Interesting

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

Search Wikipedia Encyclopedia:

Uzair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Uzayr - identified with the Judeo-Christian Ezra (Arabic: '‎عزير, 'Uzair, Turkish: 'Üzeyir) - is a figure mentioned in the Qur'an, in the verse 9:30, which claims that he was revered by the Jews as "the son of God".[1]

Although not explicitly mentioned in Quran among the prophets, Ezra is considered as one of the prophets by some Muslim scholars, based on Islamic traditions. Ezra lived between the times of King Solomon and the time of Zachariah, father of John the Baptist.[2][3]

 

[Robban]

Do you mean Who is "speakiing" in Deut 18:18?

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." ~Deuteronomy 18:18

Who else but God, could say such a thing?

check out verse 19:

"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."

Who is speaking?

Don,t know if this helps or complicates, going through a pile of papers and notes, found this, from an article on the Prophesy of Balaam,-
When our sages commented on the verse, "There never did arise in Israel a prophet like Moses etc," (Deut 34:10), they said that amongst the other nations there did arise someone comparable to Moses-Balaam. Surely, they did not mean to compare Moses to Balaam as being equal or similar in holiness, character qualities, relationship with G-d, etc.
Then I found,---According to tradition, one of the greatest prophets ,Elijah, never died, and will herald the coming of the Moshiach. Moshiach himself is a prophet("approaching the prophesy of Moses" according to Maimonides), and in the messianic era, prophesy will become a universal phenomenon-in the words of the prophet Joel," And it shall come to pass afterwards that I will pour out My spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and daughter shall prophesy: your elders shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions,"
Question is, When does the messianic era start?
According to what the academy of Eliyahu taught,-
It could be anywhere between 4,000 and 6,000, now is 5771,
So maybe it,s just confusing the issue, anyway I shall soon have to find something to do, so I can sweat out all this religious stuff I reckon.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Do you mean Who is "speakiing" in Deut 18:18?

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." ~Deuteronomy 18:18

Who else but God, could say such a thing?

check out verse 19:

"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."

Who is speaking?

I would say it is God speaking of the future coming of Jesus to the Jews.



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[Silent Ocean]

lol ok I stopped reading in the end of reply 2 by the author. Everything in the article is based on specific ideology, which means that it will only be valid for those of similar ideology. As a Muslim, I don't apply what was given to Jewish or Christian to prophet Mohammad-may peace be upon him. My book is Quran and it is the only book that I follow; Muslims don't go to other books to confirm if our prophet is the one mentioned there or not...lol but some would use what's mentioned to convince them that he is the one mentioned...Anyhow, moving on.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

My Friend Christ Aficionado

Sorry for the delay..Im having major problems with my internet connection and ISP lately..I hope I can solve it soon..

I hope u and everybody else here are well

I'd like to emphasize one sentence in this Verse "The signs are only with Allah"
All the great scholars who explained the verse stressed on that the meaning is : <It's withn the hands of Allah not mine, if he wants so He will give a miracle>....
They were asking for a physical miracle u know like the stick in Moses' (Pbuh) Hands or Giving life to the Dead like Jesus (Pbuh)

So the main points are:
1) Mohammad is not making miracles on his own, all is by God's permission and if He well...All Prophets are the same
2) That doesn't deny that miracles may happen by God's Permission after this Verse..and that's exactly what happened
3) Actually most miracles happend in Medina after the victory of Islam and almost all Arabia was under Islam banner...(Note that Al-Ankaboot means "The Spider", Sura 29 was Macci Sura, means that it were revealed in Mecca before even the Messenger of Allah immigrated to Medina)
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My Friend BushMaster


Allah also said that Mohammad (Pbuh) is Prophet:
Please read The Noble Quran 7:157 > "Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures) - in the Law and the Gospel - for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); he releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the Light which is sent down with him, it is they who will prosper."

So He's Messenger and Prophet in the same time....oh...how is that?
Actually a Messenger is Higher Rank than a Prophet..
A Prophet is who prophecies the fate of a nation and warns that heaven is for who does good deeds, hell is for who does bad deeds, and that there is life after death and Judgement day
A Messenger is actually a Prophet also, he has the same Job, but on all that he also has message from God, Quran..Torah...Injeel....
So Mohammad, Moses, Jesus (Pbut) for instance are not mere Prophets but Also Messengers..

I hope I cleared the matter for u

Take care

May Allah Be Our Way And Goal

Thanks for the explanation, though I suspected a similar response after I though about it, yes a messenger would normally prophesy too, but looking at your statement, a prophet can not always be a messenger, that is fine too, but hey it doesn't matter to me at all since I don't believe in Muhammad's prophethood. I have yet to see his prophecies IN THE QURAN. However, I was responding to a statement above; Thus, Islam is not about the prophet, its about Allah and His oneness... Therefore I suggested to remove the references to him then! That is NOT possible, but why? Islam is everything about the Allah and Muhammad, can you imagine an Islam without Muhammad?

Islam can not exist without Mohammad, because he is a partner. He is an influence upon the faith and salvation of Muslims. His examples are to be emulated.
Why would Allah give so much authority to a prophet? I could say more, but will leave it at that for now.

Neither can Christianity w/o Jesus and Judaism w/o their Talmud, Sages and Rabbis.......


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[LittleLambofJesus]

Peace to all


I'm gonna use ur rule "Unique or exclusive" to filter ur list first

Moses and Jesus were Jewish.(X) many people were......................

May Allah Be Our Way And Goal

Muhammad was not an Israelite Jew. Jesus is mentioned numerous times in the NT book of Revelation

Matt 2:6 You Bethlehem, land of Judah, are in no way least among the princes of Judah:
for out of you shall come forth a governor, who shall shepherd My people, Israel.'"

Reve 12:5 And she brought forth a male Son, Who is about to be shepherding all the Nations in rod/staff, iron. And is caught-away the child of her toward the God, and toward the throne of Him.

Reve 19:15 And out of the mouth of Him is issuing-out a sword, sharp, that in her He should be smiting the Nations, and He shall be shepherding them in rod iron and He is treading the trough of the wine of the fury of the God, the Almighty.

Rev 22:16
“I, Jesus, have sent My messenger to testify to you these things in the churches.
I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”

lol ok I stopped reading in the end of reply 2 by the author. Everything in the article is based on specific ideology, which means that it will only be valid for those of similar ideology. As a Muslim, I don't apply what was given to Jewish or Christian to prophet Mohammad-may peace be upon him. My book is Quran and it is the only book that I follow; Muslims don't go to other books to confirm if our prophet is the one mentioned there or not...lol but some would use what's mentioned to convince them that he is the one mentioned...Anyhow, moving on.

But of course..............

 

[FredVB]

Jesus is mentioned numerous times in the NT book of Revelation
Matt 2:6 You Bethlehem, land of Judah, are in no way least among the princes of Judah:
for out of you shall come forth a governor, who shall shepherd My people, Israel.'"
Reve 12:5 And she brought forth a male Son, Who is about to be shepherding all the Nations in rod/staff, iron. And is caught-away the child of her toward the God, and toward the throne of Him.
Reve 19:15 And out of the mouth of Him is issuing-out a sword, sharp, that in her He should be smiting the Nations, and He shall be shepherding them in rod iron and He is treading the trough of the wine of the fury of the God, the Almighty.
Rev 22:16
“I, Jesus, have sent My messenger to testify to you these things in the churches.
I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”

Yes, and to be sure, Matthew was referring to the prophetic message from Micah 5:3-4
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Though you are little among the thousands of Judah,
Yet out of you shall come forth to Me
The One to be Ruler in Israel,
Whose goings forth are from of old,
From everlasting.”
Therefore He shall give them up,
Until the time that she who is in labor has given birth;
Then the remnant of His brethren
Shall return to the children of Israel.
And He shall stand and feed His flock,
In the strength of Yahweh,
In the majesty of the name of Yahweh His God;
And they shall abide,
For now He shall be great
To the ends of the earth.

And there is reference in Rev 22:16 to prophecy from Isaiah 11
There shall come forth a Rod from the stem of Jesse,
And a Branch shall grow out of his roots.
The Spirit of Yahweh shall rest upon Him,
The Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
The Spirit of counsel and might,
The Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Yahweh.
His delight is in the fear of Yahweh,
And He shall not judge by the sight of His eyes,
Nor decide by the hearing of His ears;
But with righteousness He shall judge the poor,
And decide with equity for the meek of the earth;
He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth,
And with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked.
Righteousness shall be the belt of His loins,
And faithfulness the belt of His waist.

Jesus clearly is fulfilling the promises in prophecies of scripture, such that he is the prophet that was to come who Moses was told of. Muhammad who is alleged to be appointed by the same God is on the other hand not clearly shown as designated in prophetic scripture at all.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Who is the prophet in Deuteronomy 18:18?

Wow. I forgot all about this thread! It's a thread that just keeps on giving LOL>....

Let's put this to rest right now. JESUS is the prophet referred to. That scripture is mentioned 2 times in the NT and that should be all the evidence needed.......

Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him.
Acts 3:22
For Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your brothers. You must listen to Him in everything He tells you.
Acts 7:37
This is the same Moses who told the Israelites, 'God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers.'

Deuteronomy 18: Biblical Prophecy of Muhammad or Jesus?

As demonstrated above, Muhammad cannot be the fulfillment of Deuteronomy 18 because he is not a Jew. The other reason why Deuteronomy 18 cannot point to Muhammad is because Jesus fulfills the prophecy in Deuteronomy as “The Prophet.” Of course, most Jews would disagree but Christians following the New Testament are obligated to believe this, since the New Testament teaches that Jesus is the Prophet of Deuteronomy 18. Likewise, Muslims are also obligated to believe this since the Quran teaches that the Bible including the New Testament is authoritative and not corrupted (as it is established elsewhere in our blog). Muslim however reject this conclusion, instead arguing against Jesus as the fulfillment of Deuteronomy 18. On page 34 of A Brief Illustrated Guide to Understanding Islam, the author (s) argued

 

[Arthra]

Yeah this is an old thread...

In Deuteronomy 18, Moses stated that God told him: "I will raise up for them a
prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth and
he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my
words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.
(Deuteronomy 18:18-19)

"from among their brothers"

Since Ishmael and Isaac were brothers I thinks it's possible the prophecy could refer to Muhammad as a descendant of Ishmael.

"I will put my words in his mouth"

As a Prophet Muhammad received "words" through revelation...

"Recite thou, in the name of thy Lord who created; -"

(The Qur'an (Rodwell tr), Sura 96 - Thick Blood, or Clots of Blood)

 

[Robban]

Yeah this is an old thread...



"from among their brothers"

Since Ishmael and Isaac were brothers I thinks it's possible the prophecy could refer to Muhammad as a descendant of Ishmael.

"I will put my words in his mouth"

As a Prophet Muhammad received "words" through revelation...

"Recite thou, in the name of thy Lord who created; -"

(The Qur'an (Rodwell tr), Sura 96 - Thick Blood, or Clots of Blood)

 

[Robban]

Above post was unintentional,

 

[danny ski]

To answer the OP, if it was not already mentioned in this long, long thread. His name was Joshua. Muhammad was not from among us and Jesus never led Israel like Moses did.

 

[Robban]

Who is my brother?
My mothers son.

Who are my brothers?
My mothers sons.
David describes literally,
"I was a stranger to my brothers,
a foreigner to my mothers sons...
they put gall in my meal and gave me vinegar to quench my thirst."

Sarah was not Ishmaels mother.
Sarah was Isaacs mother.

So pretty simple really.

 

[Arthra]

Who is my brother?
My mothers son.
Who are my brothers?
My mothers sons.
David describes literally,
"I was a stranger to my brothers,
a foreigner to my mothers sons...
they put gall in my meal and gave me vinegar to quench my thirst."
Sarah was not Ishmaels mother.
Sarah was Isaacs mother.
So pretty simple really.

Abraham was their father...

Genesis:

25:9 And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which is before Mamre; 25:10 The field which Abraham purchased of the sons of Heth: there was Abraham buried, and Sarah his wife.

(King James Bible, Genesis)

 

[Robban]

Abraham was their father...

Genesis:

25:9 And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which is before Mamre; 25:10 The field which Abraham purchased of the sons of Heth: there was Abraham buried, and Sarah his wife.

(King James Bible, Genesis)

Who is who is determined through the mother.

Abraham was the most kind and generous person that ever lived, He was fond of Ishmael too,
that is why he was told to listen and do all that Sarah told him.
King David suffered, really suffered the first 28 yrs of his life
simply because of doubts as to who his mother was.

It was first when the prophet Samuel came to annoint him as King of the people of Israel, the penny dropped for them.
In short.
Facing her other sons, Nitzevet, Davids mother exclaimed,
"The stone that was reviled by the builders has now become the cornerstone!"

They responded,
"This has come from G-d; it was hidden from our eyes."

Davids mother knew all along, but first when the prophet came to anoint David did she open her lips and tell.