Who Is Steve Bannon?

[Tull]

Whether Bannon is a racist or not, he is affiliated with Breitbart and admired by Pam Geller. That suffices for me to question what he is doing around any President.

Yeah,i felt that way about Obama and his buddies

 

[Tull]

Whether Bannon is a racist or not, he is affiliated with Breitbart and admired by Pam Geller. That suffices for me to question what he is doing around any President.

Yeah,i felt that way about Obam and his buddies

 

[fargonic]

The article about Bill Kristol was written by a fellow Jew, David Horowitz, as you would know if you had read this thread. The other articles are irrelevant to this subject.

Ahhh, got it. But one wonders why a headline like that WOULD MAKE IT ON BREITBART. Hmmmm. WHO could they be hoping to get to read it?

When I scanned through the article the ONLY discussion of Jewish identity that I could find was in the last paragraph as the author mentions his own jewishness but his lack of zionism. And how splitting the GOP vote and allowing a Dem to win would embolden Iran. It wasn't really clear to me WHY it was necessary in the headline to print in giant bold letters JEW.

Perhaps Mr. Horowitz wanted other Jews to know that Bill Kristol was a jew so that they could speak Hebrew to him on the street or something. It didn't really seem to relate to the article per se.

 

[cow451]

Time to abandon the bailey for the motte.

But this isn't even a particularly good motte.

You would appear quite well versed in the tactic.

 

[cow451]

Yeah,i felt that way about Obam and his buddies

Heard you the first time.

 

[MoonlessNight]

You would appear quite well versed in the tactic.

Pseudo-dialectic makes poor rhetoric.

That is, accusing others of logical errors falsely not only is logical incorrect (hence not "true" dialectic) but it isn't even rhetorically convincing.

You'd honestly make more headway simply calling me a bigot.

 

[Redac]

Ahhh, got it. But one wonders why a headline like that WOULD MAKE IT ON BREITBART. Hmmmm. WHO could they be hoping to get to read it?

When I scanned through the article the ONLY discussion of Jewish identity that I could find was in the last paragraph as the author mentions his own jewishness but his lack of zionism. And how splitting the GOP vote and allowing a Dem to win would embolden Iran. It wasn't really clear to me WHY it was necessary in the headline to print in giant bold letters JEW.

Perhaps Mr. Horowitz wanted other Jews to know that Bill Kristol was a jew so that they could speak Hebrew to him on the street or something. It didn't really seem to relate to the article per se.

Probably because it grabs attention. If just putting "Jew" in the title sends people into an apoplectic frenzy crying about anti-semitism, it's sure to get plenty of people looking at it.

 

[cow451]

Pseudo-dialectic makes poor rhetoric.

That is, accusing others of logical errors falsely not only is logical incorrect (hence not "true" dialectic) but it isn't even rhetorically convincing.

You'd honestly make more headway simply calling me a bigot.

You have yet to address any specific item of information any poster has presented that presents Mr. Bannon in a negative light. feel free to jump in.

 

[FreeinChrist]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/opinion/turn-on-the-hate-steve-bannon-at-the-white-house.html

Mr. Bannon himself seems fine with that description, telling Mother Jones last summer that Breitbart was now “the platform for the alt-right,” a loosely organized group of mostly young men who believe in white supremacy; oppose immigration, feminism and multiculturalism; and delight in harassing Jews, Muslims and other vulnerable groups by spewing shocking insults on social media.

To scroll through Breitbart headlines is to come upon a parallel universe where black people do nothing but commit crimes, immigrants rape native-born daughters, and feminists want to castrate all men. Here’s a sample:

“Hoist It High and Proud: The Confederate Flag Proclaims a Glorious Heritage” (This headline ran two weeks after a white supremacist massacred nine black churchgoers in Charleston, S.C.)

“Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy”

“Gabby Giffords: The Gun Control Movement’s Human Shield”

If you don’t find the headlines alarming, check the reader comments. Or take a look at who’s rejoicing over Mr. Bannon’s selection. The white nationalist Richard Spencer said on Twitter that Mr. Bannon was in “the best possible position” to influence policy, since he would “not get lost in the weeds” of establishment Washington. The chairman of the American Nazi Party said the pick showed that Mr. Trump might be “for ‘real.’” David Duke, former imperial wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, called the choice “excellent” and said Mr. Bannon was “basically creating the ideological aspects of where we’re going.”
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His ex-wife had to call the police and Bannon was charged with domestic abuse. She told the police that he threatened her and her children with physical harm if she testified at the trial - so did not go to the trial. The charges were dropped.

That he himself indicated that Breitbart was a platform for the alt-right speaks loudly. The white supremacists are thrilled he is by Trump's side. That should scream "alarm" to most Americans and certainly should to all Christians.

But I expect that excuses for it will follow. Denial is strong these days.

 

[MoonlessNight]

You have yet to address any specific item of information any poster has presented that presents Mr. Bannon in a negative light. feel free to jump in.

That's not what a "motte-and-bailey" argument means.

You are claiming merely that I'm being vague, which isn't even technically a logical fallacy of any form. Hence why I will continue to call you out for your pretensions of caring about logical rigor.

In any case I have responded specifically to the accusations in other thread. But if you want me to repeat the response, it's boils down to "who cares?" A Jewish writer for Breitbart said that another Jew was acting against the interests of Israel, and wrote this on a website associated with Steve Bannon. Okay. Who cares? You have to stretch for that even to be considered anti-semitic, stretch further to get from there to the author being a white supremacist, and stretch even further from there to get that Steve Bannon is a white supremacist.

If that is enough to bring you to your fainting couch that says a lot more about you than Steve Bannon.

 

[FreeinChrist]

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/stephen-bannon-donald-trump-alt-right-breitbart-news

"We're the platform for the alt-right," Bannon told me proudly when I interviewed him at the Republican National Convention (RNC) in July. Though disavowed by every other major conservative news outlet, the alt-right has been Bannon's target audience ever since he took over Breitbart News from its late founder, Andrew Breitbart, four years ago. Under Bannon's leadership, the site has plunged into the fever swamps of conservatism, cheering white nationalist groups as an "eclectic mix of renegades," accusing President Barack Obama of importing "more hating Muslims," and waging an incessant war against the purveyors of "political correctness."

"Andrew Breitbart despised racism. Truly despised it," former Breitbart editor-at-large Ben Shapiro wrote last week on theDaily Wire, a conservative website. "With Bannon embracing Trump, all that changed. Now Breitbart has become the alt-right go-to website, with [technology editor Milo] Yiannopoulos pushing white ethno-nationalism as a legitimate response to political correctness, and the comment section turning into a cesspool for white supremacist mememakers."
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That is from Steve Bannon and Ben Shapiro.

 

[HannahT]

And are the rumors circulating in the leftwing media true?

According to people who actually know and worked with the guy, no. Just like a lot of the propaganda lately, it's pretty much manufactured stories or twisted reports to cast Trump as guilty by association.

As mentioned previously, Trump's own son-in-law is a religious, observant Jew and his daughter Ivanka, a convert. It makes zero sense he would take advice from what Media Matters (Soros funded alt-left site) called "a notorious anti-Semite".

Further, a well-known NYC priest, Fr. Jonathan Morris states:




Father-Jonathan Morris
November 13 at 2:25pm ·


I've known Steve Bannon as a close friend for nearly fifteen years. I've never heard or seen a racist word or action from him.

Pamela Geller, a Jew, has known and worked with Bannon for years. She stands behind him 100%


http://pamelageller.com/2016/11/truth-steve-bannon.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

I'm not going to cut and paste, rather read the entire article before commenting.

I think we are going to have to wait until all the melodramatics are done over his appointment to see whom he really is.

Groups are calling him racist, anti-semitic, etc. Sadly, they have overused those terms so much most people don't pay any attention to them anymore. Which is a shame, because those terms are very serious. Now they just roll of the tongue in everyday conversation when they don't like something. It's nuts.

Then I see people commenting on titles of articles from the website he worked at. I can't tell you how many websites use that type of clickbait. I did notice they really didn't go into detail about the articles themselves. (shrugs) I guess the title triggered them to much or something.

I'm personally going to wait and see. We don't have any true reliable media sources to answer that question. They just rinse and repeat what other sites say.

 

[Redac]

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/stephen-bannon-donald-trump-alt-right-breitbart-news

"We're the platform for the alt-right," Bannon told me proudly when I interviewed him at the Republican National Convention (RNC) in July. Though disavowed by every other major conservative news outlet, the alt-right has been Bannon's target audience ever since he took over Breitbart News from its late founder, Andrew Breitbart, four years ago. Under Bannon's leadership, the site has plunged into the fever swamps of conservatism, cheering white nationalist groups as an "eclectic mix of renegades," accusing President Barack Obama of importing "more hating Muslims," and waging an incessant war against the purveyors of "political correctness."

"Andrew Breitbart despised racism. Truly despised it," former Breitbart editor-at-large Ben Shapiro wrote last week on theDaily Wire, a conservative website. "With Bannon embracing Trump, all that changed. Now Breitbart has become the alt-right go-to website, with [technology editor Milo] Yiannopoulos pushing white ethno-nationalism as a legitimate response to political correctness, and the comment section turning into a cesspool for white supremacist mememakers."
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That is from Steve Bannon and Ben Shapiro.

Yeah, nah, Milo is a gay, race-mixing, Jewish cultural libertarian (by his own admission). That doesn't fly in the alt-right. His article mentions ethno-nationalism being part of it, but he's not one. He's all about Western values and the like, he doesn't care about race as long as the values are right. Breitbart comment sections have plenty of alt-right people, yes, but that doesn't say all that much. And no, little Benji, Breitbart isn't the go-to for the alt-right. They have other places.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Yeah, nah, Milo is a gay, race-mixing, Jewish cultural libertarian (by his own admission). That doesn't fly in the alt-right. His article mentions ethno-nationalism being part of it, but he's not one. He's all about Western values and the like, he doesn't care about race as long as the values are right. Breitbart comment sections have plenty of alt-right people, yes, but that doesn't say all that much. And no, little Benji, Breitbart isn't the go-to for the alt-right. They have other places.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_Yiannopoulos

As a "cultural libertarian"[5] and "free speechfundamentalist", he is a vocal critic of feminism,[6] Islam, social justice, political correctness, and other movements and ideologies he claims to be authoritarianor belonging to the "regressive left". Yiannopoulos has been called a spokesperson for the alt-right.[7] He considers himself a reporter of and sympathizer with the movement.[8] He was permanently banned from Twitter in July 2016.[9][10][11]
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"spokesperson for the alt-right" - hmm

Even gays can be alt-right. If they are white.

 

[cow451]

That's not what a "motte-and-bailey" argument means.

I was trying, obviously unsuccessfully, to move you to actually address the topic of the thread. It would appear you are unwilling to do so.

 

[MoonlessNight]

I was trying, obviously unsuccessfully, to move you to actually address the topic of the thread. It would appear you are unwilling to do so.

Pretty ballsy to claim that when you cut out the part of my post where I responded to exactly what you requested me to respond to.

 

[FreeinChrist]

I think we are going to have to wait until all the melodramatics are done over his appointment to see whom he really is.

Groups are calling him racist, anti-semitic, etc. Sadly, they have overused those terms so much most people don't pay any attention to them anymore. Which is a shame, because those terms are very serious. Now they just roll of the tongue in everyday conversation when they don't like something. It's nuts.

Then I see people commenting on titles of articles from the website he worked at. I can't tell you how many websites use that type of clickbait. I did notice they really didn't go into detail about the articles themselves. (shrugs) I guess the title triggered them to much or something.

I'm personally going to wait and see. We don't have any true reliable media sources to answer that question. They just rinse and repeat what other sites say.

As Bannon himself describes Breitbart as a platform for the alt-right, that is pretty condemning in itself.

The KKK and neo-Nazi folks really like him.

 

[dzheremi]

Your unfounded smear of Geller is noted.

Unfounded, my behind. Geller earns every bit of criticism she gets. We're talking about a woman who posts insane nonsense implying that President Obama is somehow the love child of Malcom X. (Seriously; it's right here under the subheading "Here is a more plausible theory", which would be laughable if it weren't for the fact that we're being asked to take such people seriously now.)

If you want to believe such things because they suit you politically, fine, but it is not at all unfounded to call Geller a loon. Her own blog testifies that she's into some very weird, paranoid, and very unsettling conspiracy stuff. It doesn't magically become not-crazy just because you agree with the politics of the people who write it or host it.

 

[cow451]

Pretty ballsy to claim that when you cut out the part of my post where I responded to exactly what you requested me to respond to.

I was hasty in dismissing your comments, and I apologize. I, personally, do not object to Mr. Bannon's appointment based on his alleged racism and anti-Semitism.

I consider Breitbart bottom-feeding media outlet and Ms. Geller a dangerous lunatic. Bannon's endorsement by those two alone stand to brand him as questionable in my opinion.

 

[HannahT]

As Bannon himself describes Breitbart as a platform for the alt-right, that is pretty condemning in itself.

The KKK and neo-Nazi folks really like him.

That doesn't change anything to me. It still doesn't tell me who he is.

Obama had nutters that liked him too. (shrugs) That's politics! I wouldn't align him with them just because they liked him. If we have to do that? Obama's pastor was a hate filled, racist, nutcase. I never heard the President spew his garbage around. He never seemed the type to me, nor gave me the impression he was anything like that. So am I to assume he feels that way - because of his nutty pastor, and puts another role out for the public? I don't think so.