Who is Robert Breaker? Is He a False Teacher?

[James randolph]

I discovered Robert back in 2015 and I thank God that I did. The first video I watched was “Who was the 144000”.
I was saved after watching that video. Something in my heart and soul opened up and I have such a closer relationship with Jesus now than ever.

 

[Tom 1]

First off, if this is in the wrong part of the forum i apologise.

Anyone heard or seen Robert Breaker Videos? I have seen a couple and today this one:

I found it very interesting.

Anybody able to comment? Thanks

Just seems a bit like another ‘I’m right and those guys are wrong because...’ argument. There are endless numbers of those I think.

 

[RightlyDividedScriptures]

THE GOSPEL simply means the good news. The good news varied from dispensation to dispensation. God has dealt with men differently throughout history. There are at least 7 dispensations aimed at different people groups:

Old Covenant:

Innocence: Adam and Eve until expulsion from the Garden of Eden
Conscience: Expulsion until Noah's flood
Human government: Noah's Flood until the Tower of Babel dispersion
Promise: Tower of babel dispersion until the call of Abraham and the Exodus.
Faith PLUS Law: The Exodus until the resurrection of Christ.

New Covenant

Grace: Resurrection of Christ to Armageddon
Faith PLUS Law : Tribulation
Millennial Kingdom: Armageddon until the final Judgment.

We are currently living in the age of Grace through FAITH ALONE in the finished work of Christ on the cross. The Gospel for the church age in which we now live is found in 1 Cor 15:1-4, supported by Romans 3:23-25, Romans 10:9, and Ephesians 2:8-9

 

[RightlyDividedScriptures]

LET'S COMPARE: the four OT synoptic Gospels of M, M, L, and John, and the NT Hebrew Epistles written to Israel; with the NT Pauline Epistles written primarily to Gentiles and a few Jewish church age believers: (NOTE: the NT does not actually begin until Christ died on the cross per Hebrews 9:15-17.)

"These are just a few of the differences between preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom and the Gospel of the Grace of God. These are only two of the many gospels in the Bible.

If the church agrees we are to preach the gospel, it is important that we get the message right and clear. Knowing the difference between the many gospels in the Bible is the difference between a confused church and a saved church.

Today, God is dispensing his grace to a world of sinners, not his kingdom to a world in righteous judgment. It is the church’s responsibility to make all men see this mystery operation of God (Eph 3:9).

Knowing what makes the gospel of the grace of God (AKA Christ's Gospel) different is necessary to make our message clear enough so that God’s will be done:
“Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.” – 1 Timothy 2:4

[For the Apostle Paul said: 1 Corinthians 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.]

COMPARE:
1) Gospel of the Kingdom: (see Mark 1:14)
2) Gospel of Grace: (see Acts 20:24)

1) Preaches the soon coming of the king and his kingdom (Matt 3:2)
2) Preaches the grace of God for salvation (Rom 3:22-26)

1) The king and kingdom was promised to the nation of Israel (Luke 1:69)
2) The grace of God is offered freely to all (Rom 3:22)

1) The kingdom was spoken about since the world began (Acts 3:21-25)
2) The dispensation of God’s grace was kept secret since the world began (Rom 16:25)

1) Killing the king is a sad and wicked thing (Luke 24:17; Acts 2:23)
2) The crucifixion of Christ is our glory (Gal 6:14)

1) The cross of Christ was not part of the message (Luke 9:2 vs. Luke 18:34)
2) Requires preaching the cross (1 Corinthians 15:1-4)

1) Resurrection was not part of the message (John 20:9)
2) Preaching is vain without the resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:14)

1) The kingdom requires performance (1 John 2:3; Matt 25:32-46)
2) God’s grace motivates a purpose in your heart (2 Cor 9:7; 2 Cor 5:14-15)

1) The kingdom will benefit everyone on earth (Rev 20:3-4; Isa 2:3-4)
2) God’s grace unto salvation benefits only those that believe (Rom 3:22)

1) Salvation comes in the future when the kingdom comes (Acts 3:19; Heb 9:28; 1 Pet 1:5) 2) Salvation comes at the moment of belief (Eph 1:13; Rom 5:1)

1) To be saved requires enduring to the end (Matt 24:13)
2) To be saved requires believing your work has come to an end (Rom 4:5)

1) There is a difference between Jew and Gentile in the kingdom (Matt 15:26; Zech 8:23) 2) There are no Jews or Gentiles in the church in this dispensation of grace (Gal 3:28)

1) Was given to the Twelve apostles of Israel to preach (Acts 1:3)
2) Was given to the apostle of the Gentiles to preach (Rom 11:13; 1 Cor 9:17; Eph 3:1-2)

1) Waiting for a kingdom of heaven to come to earth (Matt 6:10)
2) Preaching for those on earth to trust Christ and go to heaven (Eph 2:6-7)

1) The kingdom will be a visible presence on earth (Matt 24:27; Rev 19:11)
2) God’s grace is by faith and not by sight (2 Cor 5:7)

1) Healing of the sick was a sign of the kingdom (Matt 4:23; Mark 16:18)
2) The lack of healing is a sign of God’s sufficient grace (2 Cor 12:8-10)

1) Water baptism prepares Israel to enter the kingdom (Matt 3:3; Acts 2:38)
2) Baptism by the Spirit places us in the Body of Christ (1 Cor 12:13)

1) Continued obedience to the commandments required (Matt 23:13)
2) Justified without the law of Moses; not under the law (Acts 13:39; Rom 6:14)

1) Faith without works is dead (James 2:24)
2) Faith in the finished work of Christ gives peace and life (Rom 4:5; Rom 5:1"

 

[SkyWriting]

THE GOSPEL simply means the good news. The good news varied from dispensation to dispensation. God has dealt with men differently throughout history. There are at least 7 dispensations aimed at different people groups:

Old Covenant:

Innocence: Adam and Eve until expulsion from the Garden of Eden
Conscience: Expulsion until Noah's flood
Human government: Noah's Flood until the Tower of Babel dispersion
Promise: Tower of babel dispersion until the call of Abraham and the Exodus.
Faith PLUS Law: The Exodus until the resurrection of Christ.

New Covenant

Grace: Resurrection of Christ to Armageddon
Faith PLUS Law : Tribulation
Millennial Kingdom: Armageddon until the final Judgment.

We are currently living in the age of Grace through FAITH ALONE in the finished work of Christ on the cross. The Gospel for the church age in which we now live is found in 1 Cor 15:1-4, supported by Romans 3:23-25, Romans 10:9, and Ephesians 2:8-9

And the dependance of local law as God's will for man as Jesus noted during His trial.

 

[RightlyDividedScriptures]

Breaker thinks those who obey Jesus are not justified and that one can only go to heaven if they are lawless. His error is that he thinks the law and the prophets were until Paul but they were until John the baptist (Luke 16:16) so when the apostle Paul said no flesh shall be justified by the works of the Law (Gal 2:16) he was talking about pre-Jesus law not that no flesh shall be justified through Jesus' teachings.

^That is 100% untrue. He preaches the Gospel of Grace through Faith alone in the shed blood of Christ, (Romans 3:23-25, his death for our sins, burial, and resurrection (1 Cor 15:1-4 and Romans 10:9) WITHOUT WORKS (Ephesians 2:8-9)

 

[RightlyDividedScriptures]

^That is 100% untrue. He preaches the Gospel of Grace through Faith alone in the shed blood of Christ, (Romans 3:23-25, his death for our sins, burial, and resurrection (1 Cor 15:1-4 and Romans 10:9) WITHOUT WORKS (Ephesians 2:8-9). He also preaches that the New Testament in the blood of Christ began when Jesus died at the cross (not before) per Hebrews 9.15-17).

 

[RightlyDividedScriptures]

^That is 100% untrue. He preaches the Gospel of Grace through Faith alone in the shed blood of Christ, (Romans 3:23-25, his death for our sins, burial, and resurrection (1 Cor 15:1-4 and Romans 10:9) WITHOUT WORKS (Ephesians 2:8-9).

"There are a couple of ways to understand the passage of [the Law and the Prophets were until John] without doing violence to the OT. First, it could be understood that Jesus is saying that the Law and the Prophets were the only Scriptures in existence up to the time that John came on the scene. The implication is that more would soon come (NT).

A second way to view this passage is that Jesus is stating that the Law and the Prophets prophesied or pointed to the time when John would come thus ushering in the Messiah at which time there would be a change in the focus of the message of God's servants. Instead of just preaching about the Law or that the Messiah is coming, now the message of “repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand” (see Matt 3:2; 4:17) would be preached. This is a more expansive message that [now prepares us for the NT salvation message; which is centered on the shed blood of Christ (Romans 3:23-25), His death for our sin, burial, and resurrection of Jesus (1 Cor 15:1-4).]
Moreover, Paul clearly affirms the validity of the Law for the New Testament believer in his forceful declarative statement in Romans 3:31, "Do we then make void the Law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."
[The Law is still in force today to convict unbelievers of their sin, but does no longer condemns believers who have already been justified by faith alone in the finished work of Jesus on the cross. We have been given the righteous standing of Christ by faith alone.
We as believers obey Jesus to the best of our ability with the help of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit because we love Him, not because of the obligation of the Law. We are still sinners in the flesh, but our souls are no longer under the death penalty of the Law. The flesh will die, but we will not. We will be glorified at the transformation (rapture).]

 

[RightlyDividedScriptures]

There is but ONE Gospel.

Galatians 1:8
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

Paul is saying that if anyone including an angel comes to earth during the church age who preaches another gospel different from 1 Cor 15:1-4 (supported by Romans 3:23-25, Romans 10:9, and Ephesian 2:8-9) they are accursed.
We see that later on that after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, and we have been raptured to heaven as the bride of Christ, an angel from heaven will come and preach a different gospel to the people of the earth during the Tribulation (which does NOT include the Church Age Saints).

This is called the Everlasting Gospel ~
Rev 14: 6

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, AND the faith of Jesus. (Faith PLUS Works)

We (the Church Age Saints who make up the body of Christ and are saved by faith alone) are eternally secure and promised heaven; therefore the Church Age saints are NOT the ones being spoken to here, but we are the bride of Christ with the Lord in heaven at that time.

 

[parousia70]

Paul is saying that if anyone including an angel comes to earth during the church age who preaches another gospel different from 1 Cor 15:1-4 (supported by Romans 3:23-25, Romans 10:9, and Ephesian 2:8-9) they are accursed.
We see that later on that after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, and we have been raptured to heaven as the bride of Christ, an angel from heaven will come and preach a different gospel to the people of the earth during the Tribulation (which does NOT include the Church Age Saints).

This is called the Everlasting Gospel ~
Rev 14: 6

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, AND the faith of Jesus. (Faith PLUS Works)

We (the Church Age Saints who make up the body of Christ and are saved by faith alone) are eternally secure and promised heaven; therefore the Church Age saints are NOT the ones being spoken to here, but we are the bride of Christ with the Lord in heaven at that time.

3 things here:

1) The Fulness of the gentiles is a quality, not a quantity.
The "fullness of the gentiles" (also: "fulness of the nations") must be understood as the same "FULNESS" as used in its other N.T. citations such as in John 1:16, Ephesians 3:19, and Colossians 1:19 (Greek = "pleroma"). This fulness, properly understood, is the fulness that came to the gentiles in the first century by being grafted into the pure Olive Tree of true Israel -- that is, the gentiles as a body were becoming partakers in the "pleroma" ("fulness") of the Abrahamic/Christic blessing. They were granted full sonship and inheritance as described in Ephesians chapter 3:1-21. This FULNESS, "pleroma", as in John 1:16, came to the gentiles via Paul's ministry (Acts 26:17-19; Romans 15:16; Ephesians 3:1-21). By reading the Ephesians 3:1-21 account in total we get the broad scope of Paul's work to deliver the full inheritance and riches to the gentiles via his ministry "that they might be filled with ALL THE PLEROMA ("fulness") of God" -- Ephesians 3:19.

The "fulness of the gentiles" came in no later than the end of Paul's Ministry. We are not still waiting for Gentile Fulness to occur.

2) The "Church age" is everlasting. Ephesians 3:21
"Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

3) The Gospel preached by the angel in Revelation HAS NO TERMINUS.
The Everlasting Gospel (Revelation 14:6) which sole purpouse is to be preached to sinners on earth, (Revelation 14:6) has no expiration date. That is why It's called "everlasting".

 

[RightlyDividedScriptures]

3 things here:

1) The Fulness of the gentiles is a quality, not a quantity.
The "fullness of the gentiles" (also: "fulness of the nations") must be understood as the same "FULNESS" as used in its other N.T. citations such as in John 1:16, Ephesians 3:19, and Colossians 1:19 (Greek = "pleroma"). This fulness, properly understood, is the fulness that came to the gentiles in the first century by being grafted into the pure Olive Tree of true Israel -- that is, the gentiles as a body were becoming partakers in the "pleroma" ("fulness") of the Abrahamic/Christic blessing. They were granted full sonship and inheritance as described in Ephesians chapter 3:1-21. This FULNESS, "pleroma", as in John 1:16, came to the gentiles via Paul's ministry (Acts 26:17-19; Romans 15:16; Ephesians 3:1-21). By reading the Ephesians 3:1-21 account in total we get the broad scope of Paul's work to deliver the full inheritance and riches to the gentiles via his ministry "that they might be filled with ALL THE PLEROMA ("fulness") of God" -- Ephesians 3:19.

The "fulness of the gentiles" came in no later than the end of Paul's Ministry. We are not still waiting for Gentile Fulness to occur.

2) The "Church age" is everlasting. Ephesians 3:21
"Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

3) The Gospel preached by the angel in Revelation HAS NO TERMINUS.
The Everlasting Gospel (Revelation 14:6) which sole purpouse is to be preached to sinners on earth, (Revelation 14:6) has no expiration date. That is why It's called "everlasting".

I disagree with your conclusions 1) that the fullness of Gentiles has already come in:
"In Romans 9 Paul expresses his love for his Jewish brethren (Romans 9:1–5) and recognizes that the covenant promises are to be fulfilled to a specific group of Abraham’s descendants. Paul shows the distinct groups by highlighting God’s choosing of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and affirms that God’s blessing would be for those descendants who believe in the Messiah (Romans 9:33). Salvation would not only be for believing Jews, though, as Gentiles could also call upon the name of the Lord for salvation (Romans 10:12–13). While there are believing Jews and Gentiles, Paul explains that the nation of Israel as a whole has not yet received her Messiah (Romans 10:18—11:10), but they will one day be saved through believing in their Messiah (Romans 11:26).

In the meantime, Paul explains that there is a partial hardening of the nation—that many will refuse the Messiah—until the fullness of the Gentiles occurs. Israel’s hardening will continue until the divinely set number of Gentiles are saved: “Some of the people of Israel have hard hearts, but this will last only until the full number of Gentiles comes to Christ” (Romans 11:25, NLT).

Paul recognized that Israel’s failure to accept the Messiah when He came offering the kingdom represented blessing for the Gentiles because, instead of setting up that kingdom on earth at that time, Christ died to pay for the sins of all. In so doing, Christ fulfilled the promise God made to Abraham that in Abraham’s seed all the peoples of the earth will be blessed (Genesis 12:3b). That partial hardening of Israel also represented a shift in focus to the announcement of salvation to the Gentiles. Paul acknowledged himself as an apostle to the Gentiles (Romans 11:13) and sought that many Gentiles would come to know Christ so those promises could be fulfilled and then the Jewish people might return to their Messiah (Romans 11:14–15). Paul alluded to this in 2 Timothy 4:17 when he expressed gratitude for God’s sustaining him so that Paul might fulfill his ministry and that all the Gentiles might hear.

Even though God’s promises to save the nation of Israel are not presently being fulfilled, Paul recognizes that God will keep those promises after the fullness of the Gentiles. Paul seems to be building on the foundation of Daniel 9, in which is revealed a 490-year prophetic timeline after which God will accomplish His covenant blessings for Israel. After the first 483 years of the timeline, the Messiah was cut off (Daniel 9:26a), signaling a shift in the focus away from Israel as Gentiles (Rome) would dominate, and there would be wars and desolation. But one day in the future, the ruler who would be known as the Antichrist would make a seven-year agreement with Israel. That last seven years of the timeline would begin to return the focus back to Israel and would conclude the times of the Gentiles of which Jesus spoke in Luke 21:24.

The fullness of the Gentiles in Romans 11:25 reminds us of God’s global focus (with the universal proclamation of the gospel of salvation) and chronology (with the times of the Gentiles not yet complete). One day, the fullness of the Gentiles will be complete, and God will deliver the nation of Israel. Anyone who might have doubts about God’s faithfulness in keeping His promises can consider these passages as important reminders that God has a detailed plan that He is fulfilling patiently and carefully" ~ gotquestions

 

[RightlyDividedScriptures]

3 things here:

1) The Fulness of the gentiles is a quality, not a quantity.
The "fullness of the gentiles" (also: "fulness of the nations") must be understood as the same "FULNESS" as used in its other N.T. citations such as in John 1:16, Ephesians 3:19, and Colossians 1:19 (Greek = "pleroma"). This fulness, properly understood, is the fulness that came to the gentiles in the first century by being grafted into the pure Olive Tree of true Israel -- that is, the gentiles as a body were becoming partakers in the "pleroma" ("fulness") of the Abrahamic/Christic blessing. They were granted full sonship and inheritance as described in Ephesians chapter 3:1-21. This FULNESS, "pleroma", as in John 1:16, came to the gentiles via Paul's ministry (Acts 26:17-19; Romans 15:16; Ephesians 3:1-21). By reading the Ephesians 3:1-21 account in total we get the broad scope of Paul's work to deliver the full inheritance and riches to the gentiles via his ministry "that they might be filled with ALL THE PLEROMA ("fulness") of God" -- Ephesians 3:19.

The "fulness of the gentiles" came in no later than the end of Paul's Ministry. We are not still waiting for Gentile Fulness to occur.

2) The "Church age" is everlasting. Ephesians 3:21
"Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

3) The Gospel preached by the angel in Revelation HAS NO TERMINUS.
The Everlasting Gospel (Revelation 14:6) which sole purpouse is to be preached to sinners on earth, (Revelation 14:6) has no expiration date. That is why It's called "everlasting".

2) The Church as the Body and Bride of Christ does not end because after the death of our mortal bodies we will ever be present with the Lord, BUT our time as sinful humans on this present Earth mercifully does end. The term that I used; "Church Age" is dispensational. It refers to the presence of the church on this current earth in the form of forgiven sinful fallen men; and which comes to an end at the rapture, when we are transformed/glorified and made immortal. The Rapture occurs before the Tribulation.

 

[RightlyDividedScriptures]

I disagree with your conclusions 1) that the fullness of Gentiles has already come in:
"In Romans 9 Paul expresses his love for his Jewish brethren (Romans 9:1–5) and recognizes that the covenant promises are to be fulfilled to a specific group of Abraham’s descendants. Paul shows the distinct groups by highlighting God’s choosing of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and affirms that God’s blessing would be for those descendants who believe in the Messiah (Romans 9:33). Salvation would not only be for believing Jews, though, as Gentiles could also call upon the name of the Lord for salvation (Romans 10:12–13). While there are believing Jews and Gentiles, Paul explains that the nation of Israel as a whole has not yet received her Messiah (Romans 10:18—11:10), but they will one day be saved through believing in their Messiah (Romans 11:26).

In the meantime, Paul explains that there is a partial hardening of the nation—that many will refuse the Messiah—until the fullness of the Gentiles occurs. Israel’s hardening will continue until the divinely set number of Gentiles are saved: “Some of the people of Israel have hard hearts, but this will last only until the full number of Gentiles comes to Christ” (Romans 11:25, NLT).

Paul recognized that Israel’s failure to accept the Messiah when He came offering the kingdom represented blessing for the Gentiles because, instead of setting up that kingdom on earth at that time, Christ died to pay for the sins of all. In so doing, Christ fulfilled the promise God made to Abraham that in Abraham’s seed all the peoples of the earth will be blessed (Genesis 12:3b). That partial hardening of Israel also represented a shift in focus to the announcement of salvation to the Gentiles. Paul acknowledged himself as an apostle to the Gentiles (Romans 11:13) and sought that many Gentiles would come to know Christ so those promises could be fulfilled and then the Jewish people might return to their Messiah (Romans 11:14–15). Paul alluded to this in 2 Timothy 4:17 when he expressed gratitude for God’s sustaining him so that Paul might fulfill his ministry and that all the Gentiles might hear.

Even though God’s promises to save the nation of Israel are not presently being fulfilled, Paul recognizes that God will keep those promises after the fullness of the Gentiles. Paul seems to be building on the foundation of Daniel 9, in which is revealed a 490-year prophetic timeline after which God will accomplish His covenant blessings for Israel. After the first 483 years of the timeline, the Messiah was cut off (Daniel 9:26a), signaling a shift in the focus away from Israel as Gentiles (Rome) would dominate, and there would be wars and desolation. But one day in the future, the ruler who would be known as the Antichrist would make a seven-year agreement with Israel. That last seven years of the timeline would begin to return the focus back to Israel and would conclude the times of the Gentiles of which Jesus spoke in Luke 21:24.

The fullness of the Gentiles in Romans 11:25 reminds us of God’s global focus (with the universal proclamation of the gospel of salvation) and chronology (with the times of the Gentiles not yet complete). One day, the fullness of the Gentiles will be complete, and God will deliver the nation of Israel. Anyone who might have doubts about God’s faithfulness in keeping His promises can consider these passages as important reminders that God has a detailed plan that He is fulfilling patiently and carefully" ~ gotquestions

 

[RightlyDividedScriptures]

3) The everlasting Gospel will have a commencement Define Everlasting:
everlasting
ĕv″ər-lăs′tĭng
adjective

1. Lasting forever; eternal.
2. Continuing indefinitely or for a long period of time.
3. Persisting too long; tedious.

Jesus has told us that there would be a gospel message that would have to be preached to the whole world before His second coming and the end of the world. Where do we find such a gospel message? Rest assured, the Bible has the answer to this question. "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people," (Revelation 14:6) Here we find it! The everlasting gospel that is to be preached to everyone on the earth. There is no doubt about it. This is the gospel that Jesus prophesied would (future tense) be given.
But we (the church age Saints/body/bride of Christ) are instructed that if anyone, even an angel comes with any other gospel other than the one given to Paul (1 Cor 15:1-4) we are to consider them accursed.

 

[RightlyDividedScriptures]

And the dependance of local law as God's will for man as Jesus noted during His trial.

Are you adding law to the Gospel of Grace? If so, that nullifies the blood of Christ for our salvation. IF by that you mean we are to adopt the moral law as a guideline for our society, I have no problem with that, but our salvation is not dependent on keeping the Law because no one can. That is why Jesus came to die for us.

 

[parousia70]

I disagree with your conclusions 1) that the fullness of Gentiles has already come in:
"In Romans 9 Paul expresses his love for his Jewish brethren (Romans 9:1–5) and recognizes that the covenant promises are to be fulfilled to a specific group of Abraham’s descendants. Paul shows the distinct groups by highlighting God’s choosing of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and affirms that God’s blessing would be for those descendants who believe in the Messiah (Romans 9:33). Salvation would not only be for believing Jews, though, as Gentiles could also call upon the name of the Lord for salvation (Romans 10:12–13). While there are believing Jews and Gentiles, Paul explains that the nation of Israel as a whole has not yet received her Messiah (Romans 10:18—11:10), but they will one day be saved through believing in their Messiah (Romans 11:26).

Romans 11:26
26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,
“The Deliverer will come lfrom Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;

Define "all Israel" in your view?
Does "ALL ISRAEL will be saved" mean Every last Jew who ever lived from Abraham through Today "will be saved"??
Is that what you believe Paul meant by "all Israel" or do you subscribe to the notion that "ALL Israel" = some number less than "ALL"?

Or perhaps you define "all Israel" as merely the current population of the modern, Secular, Democratic Nation State of Israel, which would include, any and ALL Modern Jewish, Muslim, Christian & Atheist, Card Carrying Israeli Citizens? (which, again, would be some number LESS than ALL Israel)

Even though that does not constitute literally ALL Israel, Would that satisfy the definition of "ALL Israel" in your mind anyway?

Here's what the Bible teaches about the identity of "all Israel":
In Elijah's era, the multitude of Israelites who worshiped the false god Baal was so great that ALL Israel narrowed to a mere seven thousand men (1 Kings 19:1-18; Rom 11:2-4) and the rest were excommunicated out of the Covenant forever. That faithful remnant at that time constituted "ALL Israel", and from that time forward ONLY the descendants of those 7000 were Gods Covenanted Israel. The rest, again, were cut off forever.

That's how God preserves His remnant in times of Great Apostasy.

Scripture records numerous apostasies by--and subsequent excommunications of--seditious sons of Abraham, while a faithful remnant remained as National Israel... and through the remnant and the remnant alone, "All Israel" Carried on...

Examples may be multiplied: God struck down thousands of rebellious Israelites in the wilderness (Num 14:26-45; Num 21:5-9; Num 16:1-50), though the church (National Israel) was preserved and led to the Promised Land (Acts 7:38-45); In Isaiah's day, apostasy became so rampant that "ALL Israel" continued to exist through a small but faithful remnant (Isa 10:22-23; Isa 1:7-9; Rom 9:27-29); And again as mentioned above, in Elijah's era, the multitude of Israelites who worshiped the false god Baal was so great that "ALL Israel" narrowed to a mere seven thousand men (1 Kings 19:1-18; Romans 11:2-4). Lastly, at the close of the Old Testamental age, Israel was again reduced to a small remnant of faithful elect ones (Rom 11:5). The Jewish Pharisees and temple rulers grew wicked to the point of killing God's holy Messiah and apostles (1 Thess 2:14-16), and throngs wanted Caesar as king instead of Messiah, the son of David (Jn 19:15). Then, as in times past, "ALL Israel" survived and continued on EXCLUSIVELY through the faithful sons, the Nazarene Sect (The REMNANT), while the unfaithful apostates were "cut off" from among the people FOREVER.

ALL Israel, as a Nation, survived *exclusively* in the sect of the Nazarenes. Like the 7000 in Elijah's day, "ALL NATIONAL ISRAEL" was once again reduced to a tiny remnant, the faithful ones of the Nazarene sect, and they received with joy their promised New Covenant and obediently rejected all former biases against the non-Abrahamic families of earth so that Genesis 12:3 might finally be attained (Gal 3:7-9/Rom 4:13-18)---via the work of the Jewish Messiah.

In the meantime, Paul explains that there is a partial hardening of the nation—that many will refuse the Messiah—until the fullness of the Gentiles occurs.

Part of Israel was hardened, but part of Israel was not (Rom 11:1-5). The remnant Nazarene sect, of whom Paul was a ringleader (Acts 24:5), was the NOT-blinded part of national Israel. The ruling and/or militant sects (Zealots, Essenes, Pharisees, Sadducees) were the hardened and blinded part. God used their blindness to launch Christ's mission to the whole Roman Empire.

Moreover, Paul had just informed us at Rom 9:6-13 that only the ELECT subgroup within Israel are saved, even also as it was in Isaiah's day (Rom 9:27) and also Elijah's day (Rom 11:3-5).

Jesus, his apostles and the Nazarene sect were ALL Israel. They are true faithful Israel.
Jesus, John the Baptist, the Twelve, the Seventy, the 3000 on Pentecost, the Nazarene sect all are JEWISH. They are ALL Israel, as are those of us who have joined ourselves to that branch via conversion to the covenant.

Israel’s hardening will continue until the divinely set number of Gentiles are saved: “Some of the people of Israel have hard hearts, but this will last only until the full number of Gentiles comes to Christ” (Romans 11:25, NLT).

Again, Full Number is an erroneus translation, and has no scriptural support.

This is simple to deomnstrate.

By comparing scripture with scripture we clearly see that "fullness" does not equate with "full number", but rather the fullness of Gods grace.

Since you Disagree, go ahead and replace the word "fulness", in these passages, with "full number", as you have done with Romans 11:25 and see how it works:

John 1:16
And of his fullness (full number?) have all we received, and grace for grace.

Romans 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? (full number?)

(This is especially instructive for us in that "fullness" is considered here to the the opposite of "fall", and in no way can be construed as a numeric value.)

Romans 15:29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fullness (full number?) of the blessing of the gospel of Christ.

Ephesians 1:23 Which is his body, the fullness (full number?) of him that filleth all in all.

The list goes on........

The unbroken, consistent notion of "fullness" in the NT carries the idea of "totality of Gods blessings and grace", and never means "a certain number".

Gentile believers are not waiting to become "full partakers" of the Grace of God, rather The Gentiles are already FULL PARTAKERS of the grace of God.

So yes, if we are to believe the scriptures, the "Fulness of the gentiles" indeed came in 2000 years ago.

 

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Jesus has told us that there would be a gospel message that would have to be preached to the whole world before His second coming and the end of the world. Where do we find such a gospel message? Rest assured, the Bible has the answer to this question.

Yes, the Bible does have the answer.

Colossians 1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

In Matthew 24:14, the Greek word for preached is kerusso, it is in the future tense. But in Colossians 1:23 the same word kerusso is in the aorist tense (past). Jesus said that it is to be preached and Paul says in AD 62, that it has been preached to every creature. Paul also said that the faith of the Romans was spoken of throughout the whole world.

Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Paul said that the gospel was made known to all nations.

Romans 16:25-26 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began 26 but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith;

So I'll ask:
What “Commandment of the everlasting God” can you show me that says the Gospel would be made known to all the nations, that Paul could possibly be referencing here as a "fulfilled reality", if not Matthew 24:14?

 

[SkyWriting]

Are you adding law to the Gospel of Grace? If so, that nullifies the blood of Christ for our salvation. IF by that you mean we are to adopt the moral law as a guideline for our society, I have no problem with that, but our salvation is not dependent on keeping the Law because no one can. That is why Jesus came to die for us.

Your salvation is not at risk. But Yes, local law is God's law. And we all drive faster than the posted speed limits when it suits us.

 

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Romans 11:26
26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,
“The Deliverer will come lfrom Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;

Define "all Israel" in your view?
Does "ALL ISRAEL will be saved" mean Every last Jew who ever lived from Abraham through Today "will be saved"??
Is that what you believe Paul meant by "all Israel" or do you subscribe to the notion that "ALL Israel" = some number less than "ALL"?

Or perhaps you define "all Israel" as merely the current population of the modern, Secular, Democratic Nation State of Israel, which would include, any and ALL Modern Jewish, Muslim, Christian & Atheist, Card Carrying Israeli Citizens? (which, again, would be some number LESS than ALL Israel)

Even though that does not constitute literally ALL Israel, Would that satisfy the definition of "ALL Israel" in your mind anyway?

Here's what the Bible teaches about the identity of "all Israel":
In Elijah's era, the multitude of Israelites who worshiped the false god Baal was so great that ALL Israel narrowed to a mere seven thousand men (1 Kings 19:1-18; Rom 11:2-4) and the rest were excommunicated out of the Covenant forever. That faithful remnant at that time constituted "ALL Israel", and from that time forward ONLY the descendants of those 7000 were Gods Covenanted Israel. The rest, again, were cut off forever.

That's how God preserves His remnant in times of Great Apostasy.

Scripture records numerous apostasies by--and subsequent excommunications of--seditious sons of Abraham, while a faithful remnant remained as National Israel... and through the remnant and the remnant alone, "All Israel" Carried on...

Examples may be multiplied: God struck down thousands of rebellious Israelites in the wilderness (Num 14:26-45; Num 21:5-9; Num 16:1-50), though the church (National Israel) was preserved and led to the Promised Land (Acts 7:38-45); In Isaiah's day, apostasy became so rampant that "ALL Israel" continued to exist through a small but faithful remnant (Isa 10:22-23; Isa 1:7-9; Rom 9:27-29); And again as mentioned above, in Elijah's era, the multitude of Israelites who worshiped the false god Baal was so great that "ALL Israel" narrowed to a mere seven thousand men (1 Kings 19:1-18; Romans 11:2-4). Lastly, at the close of the Old Testamental age, Israel was again reduced to a small remnant of faithful elect ones (Rom 11:5). The Jewish Pharisees and temple rulers grew wicked to the point of killing God's holy Messiah and apostles (1 Thess 2:14-16), and throngs wanted Caesar as king instead of Messiah, the son of David (Jn 19:15). Then, as in times past, "ALL Israel" survived and continued on EXCLUSIVELY through the faithful sons, the Nazarene Sect (The REMNANT), while the unfaithful apostates were "cut off" from among the people FOREVER.

ALL Israel, as a Nation, survived *exclusively* in the sect of the Nazarenes. Like the 7000 in Elijah's day, "ALL NATIONAL ISRAEL" was once again reduced to a tiny remnant, the faithful ones of the Nazarene sect, and they received with joy their promised New Covenant and obediently rejected all former biases against the non-Abrahamic families of earth so that Genesis 12:3 might finally be attained (Gal 3:7-9/Rom 4:13-18)---via the work of the Jewish Messiah.



Part of Israel was hardened, but part of Israel was not (Rom 11:1-5). The remnant Nazarene sect, of whom Paul was a ringleader (Acts 24:5), was the NOT-blinded part of national Israel. The ruling and/or militant sects (Zealots, Essenes, Pharisees, Sadducees) were the hardened and blinded part. God used their blindness to launch Christ's mission to the whole Roman Empire.

Moreover, Paul had just informed us at Rom 9:6-13 that only the ELECT subgroup within Israel are saved, even also as it was in Isaiah's day (Rom 9:27) and also Elijah's day (Rom 11:3-5).

Jesus, his apostles and the Nazarene sect were ALL Israel. They are true faithful Israel.
Jesus, John the Baptist, the Twelve, the Seventy, the 3000 on Pentecost, the Nazarene sect all are JEWISH. They are ALL Israel, as are those of us who have joined ourselves to that branch via conversion to the covenant.



Again, Full Number is an erroneus translation, and has no scriptural support.

This is simple to deomnstrate.

By comparing scripture with scripture we clearly see that "fullness" does not equate with "full number", but rather the fullness of Gods grace.

Since you Disagree, go ahead and replace the word "fulness", in these passages, with "full number", as you have done with Romans 11:25 and see how it works:

John 1:16
And of his fullness (full number?) have all we received, and grace for grace.

Romans 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? (full number?)

(This is especially instructive for us in that "fullness" is considered here to the the opposite of "fall", and in no way can be construed as a numeric value.)

Romans 15:29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fullness (full number?) of the blessing of the gospel of Christ.

Ephesians 1:23 Which is his body, the fullness (full number?) of him that filleth all in all.

The list goes on........

The unbroken, consistent notion of "fullness" in the NT carries the idea of "totality of Gods blessings and grace", and never means "a certain number".

Gentile believers are not waiting to become "full partakers" of the Grace of God, rather The Gentiles are already FULL PARTAKERS of the grace of God.

So yes, if we are to believe the scriptures, the "Fulness of the gentiles" indeed came in 2000 years ago.

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We simply disagree. You are evidently an amillenialist who thinks all was fulfilled in 70 A.D.; and I am a Pre-Trib/Millennial Kingdom still future/ dispensationalist. Further discussion is a lost cause.
The fullness of the Gentiles is a period of time that will come to an end according to Jesus Himself:
Luke 21:24
24 And they (Jewish people) shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. (Jerusalem has been trodden down by the Gentiles until 1995): SEE GRAPH:
Jerusalem - Wikipedia

Observation: You have way flooded too many topics and questions for me to be able to respond in any clear manner. It would be too confusing, but here is my rebuttal on the topic of the definition of the fullness of the Gentiles.

SEE:
THE FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES | Jewish Awareness Ministries

Romans 11:26
26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,
“The Deliverer will come lfrom Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;

Define "all Israel" in your view?
Does "ALL ISRAEL will be saved" mean Every last Jew who ever lived from Abraham through Today "will be saved"??
Is that what you believe Paul meant by "all Israel" or do you subscribe to the notion that "ALL Israel" = some number less than "ALL"?

Or perhaps you define "all Israel" as merely the current population of the modern, Secular, Democratic Nation State of Israel, which would include, any and ALL Modern Jewish, Muslim, Christian & Atheist, Card Carrying Israeli Citizens? (which, again, would be some number LESS than ALL Israel)

Even though that does not constitute literally ALL Israel, Would that satisfy the definition of "ALL Israel" in your mind anyway?

Here's what the Bible teaches about the identity of "all Israel":
In Elijah's era, the multitude of Israelites who worshiped the false god Baal was so great that ALL Israel narrowed to a mere seven thousand men (1 Kings 19:1-18; Rom 11:2-4) and the rest were excommunicated out of the Covenant forever. That faithful remnant at that time constituted "ALL Israel", and from that time forward ONLY the descendants of those 7000 were Gods Covenanted Israel. The rest, again, were cut off forever.

That's how God preserves His remnant in times of Great Apostasy.

Scripture records numerous apostasies by--and subsequent excommunications of--seditious sons of Abraham, while a faithful remnant remained as National Israel... and through the remnant and the remnant alone, "All Israel" Carried on...

Examples may be multiplied: God struck down thousands of rebellious Israelites in the wilderness (Num 14:26-45; Num 21:5-9; Num 16:1-50), though the church (National Israel) was preserved and led to the Promised Land (Acts 7:38-45); In Isaiah's day, apostasy became so rampant that "ALL Israel" continued to exist through a small but faithful remnant (Isa 10:22-23; Isa 1:7-9; Rom 9:27-29); And again as mentioned above, in Elijah's era, the multitude of Israelites who worshiped the false god Baal was so great that "ALL Israel" narrowed to a mere seven thousand men (1 Kings 19:1-18; Romans 11:2-4). Lastly, at the close of the Old Testamental age, Israel was again reduced to a small remnant of faithful elect ones (Rom 11:5). The Jewish Pharisees and temple rulers grew wicked to the point of killing God's holy Messiah and apostles (1 Thess 2:14-16), and throngs wanted Caesar as king instead of Messiah, the son of David (Jn 19:15). Then, as in times past, "ALL Israel" survived and continued on EXCLUSIVELY through the faithful sons, the Nazarene Sect (The REMNANT), while the unfaithful apostates were "cut off" from among the people FOREVER.

ALL Israel, as a Nation, survived *exclusively* in the sect of the Nazarenes. Like the 7000 in Elijah's day, "ALL NATIONAL ISRAEL" was once again reduced to a tiny remnant, the faithful ones of the Nazarene sect, and they received with joy their promised New Covenant and obediently rejected all former biases against the non-Abrahamic families of earth so that Genesis 12:3 might finally be attained (Gal 3:7-9/Rom 4:13-18)---via the work of the Jewish Messiah.



Part of Israel was hardened, but part of Israel was not (Rom 11:1-5). The remnant Nazarene sect, of whom Paul was a ringleader (Acts 24:5), was the NOT-blinded part of national Israel. The ruling and/or militant sects (Zealots, Essenes, Pharisees, Sadducees) were the hardened and blinded part. God used their blindness to launch Christ's mission to the whole Roman Empire.

Moreover, Paul had just informed us at Rom 9:6-13 that only the ELECT subgroup within Israel are saved, even also as it was in Isaiah's day (Rom 9:27) and also Elijah's day (Rom 11:3-5).

Jesus, his apostles and the Nazarene sect were ALL Israel. They are true faithful Israel.
Jesus, John the Baptist, the Twelve, the Seventy, the 3000 on Pentecost, the Nazarene sect all are JEWISH. They are ALL Israel, as are those of us who have joined ourselves to that branch via conversion to the covenant.



Again, Full Number is an erroneus translation, and has no scriptural support.

This is simple to deomnstrate.

By comparing scripture with scripture we clearly see that "fullness" does not equate with "full number", but rather the fullness of Gods grace.

Since you Disagree, go ahead and replace the word "fulness", in these passages, with "full number", as you have done with Romans 11:25 and see how it works:

John 1:16
And of his fullness (full number?) have all we received, and grace for grace.

Romans 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? (full number?)

(This is especially instructive for us in that "fullness" is considered here to the the opposite of "fall", and in no way can be construed as a numeric value.)

Romans 15:29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fullness (full number?) of the blessing of the gospel of Christ.

Ephesians 1:23 Which is his body, the fullness (full number?) of him that filleth all in all.

The list goes on........

The unbroken, consistent notion of "fullness" in the NT carries the idea of "totality of Gods blessings and grace", and never means "a certain number".

Gentile believers are not waiting to become "full partakers" of the Grace of God, rather The Gentiles are already FULL PARTAKERS of the grace of God.

So yes, if we are to believe the scriptures, the "Fulness of the gentiles" indeed came in 2000 years ago.

Yes, the Bible does have the answer.

Colossians 1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

In Matthew 24:14, the Greek word for preached is kerusso, it is in the future tense. But in Colossians 1:23 the same word kerusso is in the aorist tense (past). Jesus said that it is to be preached and Paul says in AD 62, that it has been preached to every creature. Paul also said that the faith of the Romans was spoken of throughout the whole world.

Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Paul said that the gospel was made known to all nations.

Romans 16:25-26 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began 26 but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith;

So I'll ask:
What Commandment of the everlasting God can you show me that says the Gospel would be made known to all the nations that Paul could possibly be referencing as a "fulfilled reality" here, if not Matthew 24:14?

 

[RightlyDividedScriptures]

The four views are that “all Israel” means: I hold to view #4

1. The Jews – Every Jew ever lived is “all Israel” and therefore automatically saved.
   Although rarely believed in today, according to this view, any Jew ever lived (past, present and future) who considered himself as a Jew according to the Law of Moses and the traditions of the Rabbis, is saved. This view is not only far-fetched, but also stands in complete contradiction to what Jesus thought about God and Himself.
2. The church – Jews and Gentiles deemed to have been saved throughout all generations.
   Otherwise known as “replacement theology”, this view equates “all Israel” to the church, as “the Israel of God”. However, this view becomes hard to maintain in the light of Romans 11:28, if the use of the pronoun “they” is followed through to its logical conclusion.
3. The chosen remnant – all Jewish believers within ethnic Israel that have been saved throughout history.
   This notion indicates that the hardened stance of the Israelite nation is partial and thus a remnant portion among the Jews will continue to face God’s salvation until the end of the modern times.
4. Ethnic Israel – the people of Israel will receive salvation at the end of days.
   This interpretation asserts that the existing hardening of Israel (albeit partial) will continue till the culmination of this age, at which point, they will turn to Christ at that time and accept His salvation in accordance God’s faithfulness to fulfill his covenantal promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Despite the majority of Israel currently still being in rebellion, God will not forget His people, and will pour His Spirit on Israel at a specific point in time, in agreement with the covenantal promises. At that specific time, the people of Israel living in those days will accept the Messiah.