So...who is responsible? (See the OP)We have free will and it is our place to use it to surrender to the will of God. We become holy through the baptism in God's Spirit and that Spirit is our helper to guide us in holiness. We cannot do it on our own but must rely on the Spirit to follow.
How about “to be conformed to the image of His Son”?Perhaps you might define "sanctify" then so your understanding of the word is made known.
According to Webster's, to sanctify means "to set apart to a sacred purpose" as its first definition. The Hebrew (qadash) means to consecrate (to make holy, i.e. to set apart).The Greek (hagiazō) also means "to make holy" and again, holy means "to be set apart from the ordinary."
So the question is, "What are we being set apart to do or become?" I was taking the position that it is too narrow to just say "be saved" when salvation involves more than just eternal life. We have been set apart (sanctified) for His purpose. What is your place in that purpose? What is your calling? Because you being set apart to do that is also part of being sanctified.
We are set apart, or whatever, to walk in His will, both generally and specifically, and as it applies to each one of us specifically, also...Perhaps you might define "sanctify" then so your understanding of the word is made known.
According to Webster's, to sanctify means "to set apart to a sacred purpose" as its first definition. The Hebrew (qadash) means to consecrate (to make holy, i.e. to set apart).The Greek (hagiazō) also means "to make holy" and again, holy means "to be set apart from the ordinary."
So the question is, "What are we being set apart to do or become?" I was taking the position that it is too narrow to just say "be saved" when salvation involves more than just eternal life. We have been set apart (sanctified) for His purpose. What is your place in that purpose? What is your calling? Because you being set apart to do that is also part of being sanctified.
That isn't only what the word means. All words have more than one meaning and when you look up the Greek or Hebrew it speaks of being set apart (being made holy).How about “to be conformed to the image of His Son”?
I agree... we are called and we are set apart for His purpose. That means not being like the world, resembling our model (Christ), learning and growing so we can fully walk in the job God gives us, and so forth.We are set apart, or whatever, to walk in His will, both generally and specifically, and as it applies to each one of us specifically, also...
He calls all the truly called to be different from worldly ones, or ones in the world, or caught up in the worldly systems and all it's things, or their ways, or ways of thinking, acting, and being, etc...
So if your not any different than "worldly ones" you are probably not walking in His ways, or His will for you and your life... Are not Holy (yet) etc...
God Bless!
I was giving what I think is meant by scripture. That’s the goal, to be holy as He is holy, and to be perfect as He is perfect.That isn't only what the word means. All words have more than one meaning and when you look up the Greek or Hebrew it speaks of being set apart (being made holy).
But to go there.... what is the image of His son? His son was a obedient Torah keeping man who did the work he was called to do. So it still comes back to being set apart for a purpose. We are to be obedient (He is Lord, we are not) and we are to walk in the calling before us. Doing so is conforming to the image presented by our model.
We have a certain "appearance of responsibility" or being responsible, in that we choose something, or must exert or change our will, somewhat by our own will, in a way that it will be in and line up with His will, etc, but since God already knows, He gets all the "credit", etc...So...who is responsible? (See the OP)
Who is responsible for our sanctification?
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;
— Romans 8:29
So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
— Philippians 2:12-13
But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me.
— 1 Corinthians 15:10
Now the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the great Shepherd of the sheep through the blood of the eternal covenant, even Jesus our Lord, equip you in every good thing to do His will, working in us that which is pleasing in His sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.
— Hebrews 13:20-21
Then, who did you say was responsible? I didn’t see that in your post.Of course, and that's why there was an actual answer to it in my post.
Only God can sanctify man but we must let go of our desire to do it ourselves.So...who is responsible? (See the OP)
Sanctification was always the goal of believers, both in the Old Covenant as well as the New. Grace is the way to sanctification, and grace was always given through faith, being loyal. However sanctification was not always possible.Who is responsible for our sanctification?
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;
— Romans 8:29
So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
— Philippians 2:12-13
But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me.
— 1 Corinthians 15:10
Now the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the great Shepherd of the sheep through the blood of the eternal covenant, even Jesus our Lord, equip you in every good thing to do His will, working in us that which is pleasing in His sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.
— Hebrews 13:20-21
Understood. God since He created the possibility of sanctification through His Son Jesus Christ of Nazareth.I asked, who is responsible? Like I said to someone earlier, I am responsible for raising my children. They are not partly responsible, even though obedience is required.
Who is responsible for getting you into Christ?Understood. God since He created the possibility of sanctification through His Son Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
That still doesn’t answer the question about responsibility. But I won’t press the issue.My post was very clear. Sanctification does not happen without both, God doing the sanctifying, and we allowing God to sanctify. He doesn't need us to allow anything, but that's how He's set it up.
So who is responsible then?Only God can sanctify man but we must let go of our desire to do it ourselves.
That’s really outside the scope of this thread.Who is responsible for getting you into Christ?
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