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Featured Who is responsible for our sanctification?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Hammster, Aug 13, 2019.

  1. Hammster

    Hammster 2019 Dundie Award Winner Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Ah, but I didn’t ask about participation. I asked about responsibility.

    For instance, I’m responsible for the raising of my children, even though they are participants. ;)
     
  2. GOD Shines Forth!

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    I’m not a Calvinist but I agree with you that salvation cannot be lost!
     
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  3. Guojing

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    If you are able to see yourself as a trinity, spirit soul and body. When you become a Christian, your spirit is made perfect. You are 100% sanctified. Your journey is to renew your mind to that truth.

    It is much easier when you are already there, rather than trying to get there.
     
  4. Maria Billingsley

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    John 14:26
    But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

    But only if we walk in the Spirit. It is a partnership.
     
  5. Hammster

    Hammster 2019 Dundie Award Winner Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Not the responsibility.
     
  6. renniks

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    If it's all God and we don't have to do anything, I guess we can stop going to church and hearing sermons about obeying...
     
  7. Hammster

    Hammster 2019 Dundie Award Winner Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    I don’t know anyone who is arguing that we don’t need to do anything.
     
  8. Oldmantook

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    Let's just use your first citation as an example.
    For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;
    Romans 8:29
    Those whom He predestined, He also called in v.30. Eternal security people like to point out that whom God predestines, he also calls, also justifies, also glorifies. Therefore, it must be all of God and we have nothing at all to do with our own sanctification. That is false. The word for "called" in v.20 is from the Greek "kaleo." This word is also found in Galatians 1:6 where Paul testifies that those Galatians who were also "called" were turning away from Christ to follow a different gospel. Thus we we who are called have a choice whether to remain faithful to our calling or become apostate by turning away to follow another gospel. Sanctification is our choice - by no means automatic.
     
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  9. Maria Billingsley

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    Sorry, you will need to elaborate.
     
  10. Mountainmanbob

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    Keep on working with fear and trembling to complete your salvation, ... In the same way continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
     
  11. Hammster

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    That’s nice. But what does v. 29 say?

    For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;
    Romans 8:29

    Who is predestined to be conformed? If God predestines something, I’m sure it will happen.
     
  12. Hammster

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    I asked, who is responsible? Like I said to someone earlier, I am responsible for raising my children. They are not partly responsible, even though obedience is required.
     
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  13. Hammster

    Hammster 2019 Dundie Award Winner Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Got scripture for that?
     
  14. GraceBro

    GraceBro Eternally Forgiven, Alive, and Secure.

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    God is responsible for my sanctification, not me. I don't get sanctified by how I live. I am sanctified based off of Who lives in me.

    "But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." 1 Corinthians 6:11

    "For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified." Hebrews 10:14

    Grace and Peace.
     
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  15. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    The true church Jesus builds and is a Habitation for God in the Spirit.

    In the man made organizations, there's no such thing as a true church.
     
  16. Mountainmanbob

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    Philippians 2:12, NIV: "Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,"
     
  17. Mountainmanbob

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    I do not believe that because.
    Much of the Bible is written to the Church

    Bible mentions pastors, elders and deacons.
    These are found in the local churches.

    M-Bob
     
  18. Mountainmanbob

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    Good point.
    I can't get there on my own.

    But, we do need to examine ourselves often.

    The Holy Spirit also helps with that one.


    M-Bob
     
  19. Oldmantook

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    I already anticipated your response and answered it. If God predestined and called us in vs.29-30, why do those who are predestined/called in Gal 1:6 becoming apostate?
     
  20. ChicanaRose

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    So are you saying that even if someone seemed like she fell away from her childhood faith, God will bring her back to salvation no later than her last breath?
     
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