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Who is going to adjudge that God is unjust?
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Discipline is necessary, but not desired (we try to avoid being disciplined, by doing right).
This world has limited resources and lots of tragedies, which we do not "desire", but limited resources and tragedies provide us with the opportunity to help others (experience, see, receive, extend and grow) Godly type Love. We want to have a way to obtain and grow Godly type Love. This tragic messed up world is also the very best place for willing individuals to fulfill their earthly objective and desire a better place (making heaven have value).
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I meant in the sense that it (discipline) was necessary from God's perspective... that means it was desirable (perfect) for its intended purpose.
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When applied in an interrogative sense to man the definition of the word (Just) impacts to great depth due to mans sin and corruption...
When applied in an interrogative sense to God the definition of the word (Just) has no impact... due to God being perfection personified.
But in its failure to have any impact... it affirms Gods perfections.
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Do you like to discipline your children?
God does not desire to discipline us, but since we have sinned, discipline is necessary.
If we could just fulfill our earthly objective without sinning would be what we all desire.
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You completely overlooked the fact that discipline is desirable to God.
So it is a logical necessity that disciple is desirable.
Your distaste of the effects both personally and generally... are irrelevant.
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The definition of the word Just isn’t changed when used in reference to God, it’s an accurate description of His character. The definition of the word describes God’s character, God’s character doesn’t define the word.
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Ok... apply your definition of just and examine God through that lens and tell me what you see?
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Fair and impartial, yes I see that everything God has done falls into those two categories.
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I know He disciplines is because He loves us but I can’t think of any passages that say that God wants to discipline us. I discipline my children because I love them, but mostly because they drive me crazy, but I don’t want them to drive me crazy so that I can discipline them.
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Would it not make you happier if you did not feel the need to discipline them because they did only right?
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Of course but then again this seems like we’re entering the realm of fantasy. Lol
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If we take those 2 categories to their fullest extent, than we affirm Gods perfections in those 2 categories.
Gods actions are necessarily the perfect expression of both Fair and Impartial... and cannot at any time be otherwise.
It is futile to even consider the concept that God could possibly be unjust in anything or in anyway.
But... perhaps you will
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The threat alone of discipline is beneficial. Not doing wrong is better than having to be disciplined. God does not desire us to sin and thus need disciplining.
Yes, God does provide us with discipline, because we have sinned, but does not want us to sin and thus have to discipline us.
Would you not like to be doing something more beneficial with your children than having to discipline them and still realize as a parent you need to discipline your children?
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Exactly, which is precisely why He doesn’t punish people who are incapable of meeting His expectations.
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Well we have discussed some tangents to the OP as a correlation... so I want to refocus on the subject matter of the OP.
What ever God chooses to do is necessarily righteous... Would you agree?
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But if He did?
Could you accept, that, on the basis, that Gods decisions and actions are the outworking of perfection, personified, regards Fair and Impartial?
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