Who Are We Supposed To Be Looking For???

[garry2]

coming from you, that is a real compliment...thank-you.

in His service
c

True anyway.

When you say so much which is contary to scripture then it's obvious that you don't know much.

How could you as the scriptures do not lie.

So it's you who are wrong as many times as you oppose a verse.

 

[zeke37]

let's just agree to disagree...you see the scriptures one way, and I see them another way...I believe them 100%, just as I am sure that you do....and nothing that you could ever say would prove otherwise....how we divide the Word is how we believe...we disagree, and I am not vain enough to think that I have all the answers....since the Bible cannot contradict itself, sometimes we are forced to divide the scriptures in another way to avoid any contradiction that appears because of poor translations...that is what makes for docrinal differances...


you seem to believe that anyone who believes different than you, is against God???

not so, just don't agree with you.....simple. honest. stop the little shots Garry....


in His service
c

 

[garry2]

let's just agree to disagree...you see the scriptures one way, and I see them another way...I believe them 100%, just as I am sure that you do....and nothing that you could ever say would prove otherwise....how we divide the Word is how we believe...we disagree, and I am not vain enough to think that I have all the answers....since the Bible cannot contradict itself, sometimes we are forced to divide the scriptures in another way to avoid any contradiction that appears because of poor translations...that is what makes for docrinal differances...


you seem to believe that anyone who believes different than you, is against God???

That's what you say and strenghtens my claim that you don't know much.

not so, just don't agree with you.....simple. honest. stop the little shots Garry....

in His service
c

Ha ha when someone says something to you you just have to put a name on it, that's called trying to belittle.
But you would have to have some crediance yourself to get away with it.

 

[zeke37]

doesn't it bother you, the way you act to your supposed Christian brothers? We are supposed to show Love, and long suffering, yet you seem to just fill your posts with hate. Do you really not see it?

 

[garry2]

doesn't it bother you, the way you act to your supposed Christian brothers? We are supposed to show Love, and long suffering, yet you seem to just fill your posts with hate. Do you really not see it?

That was just an ordinary post answering you, but you do see hate, you bring it up often.
In the eye of the beholder are some things.

 

[zeke37]

Yes I see it in your posts all the time....

 

[zeke37]

and I am not the only one

 

[zeke37]

you make things personal much of the time, instead of just dealing with the scriptures and what you believe they represent...

you have to keep the insults up though, and make things personal, which is why most people here will not converse with you. I have no desire to do so.

 

[garry2]

Yes I see it in your posts all the time....
you have to keep the insults up though

Yes I know you see hate and insults it's what's in your eye.

 

[zeke37]

there you go again....you just cannot stop

 

[garry2]

there you go again....you just cannot stop

Ha, no every time time I answer a post of yours, you accuse me of something or other, don't be paronoid.

Or nearly every time.

 

[Bible2]

garry2 posted in message #36:

Neither of you know much.

True (1 Corinthians 13:9, 8:2), but is one going to
help us know more from the scriptures (2 Timothy 3:16),
or just snipe from the sidelines? (Acts 17:18, John 7:12)

 

[Bible2]

zeke37 posted in message #37:

Bible2 posted:

We are indeed the temple (2 Corinthians 6:16), but
not the only temple, for there exists at the same
time a temple-building in heaven (Revelation 15:8).

symbolic none the less, but still, Christ is going to
be the temple here on earth when He comes back... and
the light there of...not some Jewish sacrificial
center...that is done away with, as God teaches, for
all time.

The temple-building in heaven isn't symbolic, but an
actual building that can be filled with smoke
(Revelation 15:8) and can have angels come out of it
(Revelation 15:6).

Christ's physical body (John 2:21) isn't going to be
the only temple here on earth when He comes back, for
during the millennium there will be a temple-building
in Jerusalem before which sacrifices will be made
(Zechariah 14:20-21). But these sacrifices will not be
according to the Mosaic law which has been done away
(2 Corinthians 3:11, Hebrews 7:18), and they will not
be for sin (Hebrews 10:18), which means that the
conditional prophecy (Ezekiel 43:10-11) of Ezekiel
chapters 40-48 will now never be fulfilled because
it refers to sacrifices for sin (Ezekiel 40:39).

It's after the millennium and subsequent events
(Revelation 20:7-15) that a new earth will be
created, and New Jerusalem will descend from heaven
to the new earth (Revelation 21:1-3), and Christ the
Lamb and God the Father will be the only Temple and
the Light of New Jerusalem (Revelation 21:22-23).

zeke37 posted in message #37:

what I debate with you is not a hevenly temple in
existance now, but a future Jewish temple before the
Day of the Lord.

As Christians, we mustn't ever debate (2 Corinthians
12:20, Romans 1:29), but we can simply discuss what
we believe the scriptures teach (2 Timothy 4:2), such
as that during the tribulation the Orthodox Jews will
rebuild a temple-building in Jerusalem (Revelation
11:1-2) and restart the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices
before it, which after two or three years will be
stopped by the Antichrist (Daniel 11:31) before he
sits in the temple and proclaims himself God
(2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36).

The Day of the Lord will begin at the second coming
(1 Corinthians 1:7-8), which will be after the
tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27).
Christ's coming to gather together the Church will
destroy the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:1-8).

 

[Bible2]

zeke37 posted in message #37:

Satan will sit in the temple that exists NOW, and
that is the many menmbered body of Christ...you are
the temple of Christ. your body is the temple.

It will not be Satan, but the Antichrist who at the
abomination of desolation (Daniel 11:31) will sit
in the rebuilt temple-building and proclaim himself
God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36), even though
the Antichrist could have Satan dwelling inside of
him.

During the tribulation, the Church on the earth will
remain the temple of God (2 Corinthians 6:16), so
that after he defiles the temple-building of God, the
Antichrist will then wage war against the Church
temple of God and behead Christians (Revelation
13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4).

zeke37 posted in message #37:

Bible2 posted:

And in the first century, even after the establishment
of the temple of the Church, there remained a temple-
building in Jerusalem, which the Church still
considered to be the temple (Acts 3:1, 22:17).

and that temple stood and was used until 70 AD which
is why the early writers called it such, but surely
you don't think that those deciples sacrificed there,
do you? Even if it was used for 37 years or so, those
sacrifices were in vain .that temple does not exist
today...

The Church considered the first-century temple-
building in Jerusalem to be the true temple of God;
that's why the apostles of the Church still went there
to pray (Acts 3:1, 22:17). But the Church wouldn't
have made sacrifices for sin at the temple because
those were done away with through the one-time
sacrifice of Christ Himself (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews
10:18).

But in the early Church, there were many thousands
of Jews who remained zealous for the old Mosaic law
(Acts 21:20), and so continued to make non-sin
offerings at the temple according to the Mosaic law,
even though they no longer had to (Hebrews 7:18-19).
And the apostle Paul even joined in with them at
least one time (Acts 21:26); he became like them
temporarily in the hope that he might be able to
gain some of them (1 Corinthians 9:20) away from
their continued bondage to the old Mosaic law
(Galatians 4:21-5:14).

Another time, the apostle Paul had to remind even
the apostle Peter not to get all caught up in trying
to please those Jews in the Church who mistakenly
thought that they still had to keep the old Mosaic
law (Galatians 2:11-21).

zeke37 posted in message #37:

Rev14, is Christ actually back on earth for the
Lord's Day...

Actually, Revelation 14:1-5 is referring to Christ
with the 144,000 part of the Church in the heavenly
Sion, New Jerusalem (Hebrews 12:22), after the
144,000 part of the Church has been caught up to
the throne of God as the "man child" right before
the reign of the Antichrist begins (Revelation 12:5-6).

While the 144,000 part of the Church is before the
throne of God in the third heaven (Revelation 14:5),
others in the Church will still be on the earth
suffering and dying during the reign of the Antichrist
(Revelation 14:12-13). They will refuse to worship him
or his image or receive his mark in their hand or
forehead, knowing that to agree to do so would mean
their eternal torment (Revelation 14:9-13).

 

[Bible2]

zeke37 posted in message #37:

Satan is the false prophet

Satan isn't the False Prophet, although the False
Prophet could be possessed by Satan so that he will
be able to perform amazing miracles by the power of
Satan to get the world to worship the Antichrist
(2 Thessalonians 2:9, Revelation 13:12-18, 19:20).

The Antichrist and the False Prophet are two men who
will be cast alive into the lake of fire at the
second coming (Revelation 19:20), some thousand
years before Satan is cast into the lake of fire
(Revelation 20:7-10).

zeke37 posted in message #37:

the world will worship Satan (the son of Perdition)
as God (Jesus)

The world will worship Satan in addition to the
Antichrist (Revelation 13:4). But it will probably
not worship him as "Satan", but as Lucifer, who
through the Antichrist could deny that he's Satan
and claim that it's YHWH who is Satan (Revelation
13:6), while he (Lucifer) is the good guy.

And the Antichrist will not claim that he's Jesus
because he will deny that Jesus is the Christ
(1 John 2:22), and so will deny that Jesus is God.
The Antichrist could claim that it's Lucifer who is
Christ/God, and that he (the Antichrist) merely has
Christ/God dwelling inside him to the fullest extent,
like (he could say) Jesus did temporarily (John
20:28), for he will deny that Christ/God Himself can
ever become flesh (1 John 4:3; 2 John 1:7).

zeke37 posted in message #37:

no animal sacrifices, Christ did that already for us
for all time, and it is certianly not something that
God will want or allow a people to do, so as to get
good with Him

God will allow the Orthodox Jews to rebuild a temple-
building in Jerusalem and restart the daily Mosaic
animal sacrifices for two or three years before the
Antichrist stops them (Daniel 11:31).

God will accept the rebuilt temple and restarted
Mosaic sacrifices as holy in themselves, for even
though the Mosaic law has been completely abolished
in its continued application to men (Hebrews 7:18-19),
it in itself remains completely holy before God
(Romans 7:12).

What God will not accept from the Orthodox Jews is
their motive for rebuilding the temple and restarting
the Mosaic sacrifices for sin, which motive will be
their unbelief in the one-time sacrifice of Jesus for
sins (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 10:18). Their sacrifices
for sin will not help them one bit to obtain salvation
(Galatians 2:21, Hebrews 10:1-23). That can only come
through faith in Jesus (John 3:36, 14:6, Acts 4:12)
and His death for our sins and His rising from the dead
on the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

There will be some elect Orthodox Jews (as well as
other Jews) who, even though they remain unbelievers
throughout the tribulation, will all become believers
after the tribulation, at the second coming, when
they see Jesus (Romans 11:26, Zechariah 12:10-14).
But they will have had to have rejected the Antichrist
and refused to worship him or his image or receive his
mark in their hand or forehead, for anyone who agreed
to do those things will never be saved (Revelation
14:9-11).

 

[Singapore]

^Wow Bible2 you got lots of matter that i agree with, you have good knowledge of the end times. The original temple of worship was destroyed, what exists in its place now is a mosque right? So in order for a new temple to be built, the mosque has to be done away with right?

I remember reading that the anti-Christ will unite all the important world leaders together, even those that have been enemies for the longest time and there will be peace. So in order for the mosque to be done away with, the Muslims have to agree that their mosque be removed and that a new temple be built right? I think that these signs will be the the signs that the end times might be approaching.

 

[zeke37]

The temple-building in heaven isn't symbolic, but an
actual building that can be filled with smoke
(Revelation 15:8) and can have angels come out of it
(Revelation 15:6).

Christ's physical body (John 2:21) isn't going to be
the only temple here on earth when He comes back, for
during the millennium there will be a temple-building
in Jerusalem before which sacrifices will be made
(Zechariah 14:20-21). But these sacrifices will not be
according to the Mosaic law which has been done away
(2 Corinthians 3:11, Hebrews 7:18), and they will not
be for sin (Hebrews 10:18), which means that the
conditional prophecy (Ezekiel 43:10-11) of Ezekiel
chapters 40-48 will now never be fulfilled because
it refers to sacrifices for sin (Ezekiel 40:39).

or those chapters speak of sin, for the simple fact of recognition.....prophetic symbolism, which happens in every prophesy...

we today know what God wants for sacrifice from us...our love and prayers....and we know that we are the temple of God, and we know that Christ is the foundations corner stone...Rock if you will...

It's after the millennium and subsequent events
(Revelation 20:7-15) that a new earth will be
created, and New Jerusalem will descend from heaven
to the new earth (Revelation 21:1-3), and Christ the
Lamb and God the Father will be the only Temple and
the Light of New Jerusalem (Revelation 21:22-23).

correct...

As Christians, we mustn't ever debate (2 Corinthians
12:20, Romans 1:29),

we are not???

but we can simply discuss what
we believe the scriptures teach (2 Timothy 4:2),

agreed...

such as that during the tribulation the Orthodox Jews will
rebuild a temple-building in Jerusalem (Revelation
11:1-2)

I disagree....I believe that we are the temple, and the passage does not refer to orthodox jews at all...

and restart the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices
before it,

I believe that these sacrifices are the Christian prayers and love that He truly wants, not animal sacrifices....

which after two or three years will be
stopped by the Antichrist (Daniel 11:31)

I believe that "in the midst of the week" or the "1/2 hour of silence" is shortened for the elect's sake,(Rev9) and at the 1/2 way point is exactly when Satan is physically thrown out of heaven to the earth for his short seasonc (Rev12) where he pretends to be the Lamb of God (Rev13:11, 1Cor11:14) and fools the world, even good Christians, as God blinds many to the truth so He can truly save those that he blinded... in the Millennium /Lord's Day (2Thes2:11, 1Cor5:5)

the sacrifices or prayers of the Believers will no longer go to the true God, but instead, the entire population of the world including all Christians except the witnessing elect, shall believe that this supernatural fallen angel is Christ returned, and worship him as Such. Satan comes in pretending to be Jesus, instead of Jesus...thus anti....Satan himself is the false prophet, as Christ is the True Prophet.....Satan himself is the son of Perdition, the one sentenced to perish forever....(Isa14, Ez28)

before he sits in the temple and proclaims himself God
(2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36).

We are that temple, today as well as in the hour of temptation....and Satan will come down to earth at the half way point of htat hour, in his own supernatural angelic body (along with the fallen angels that follow him) and claim to be God (and His angels returning)...and many will believe it,

thus he will be sitting in the Temple (our minds) claiming to be God (that is the real mark of the beast-mind part)

The Day of the Lord will begin at the second coming
(1 Corinthians 1:7-8), which will be after the
tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27).

Of course, and not realizing that is a sure way of being deceived...IMO that is...

Christ's coming to gather together the Church will
destroy the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:1-8).

Yep...Christ's arrival here reveals Satan for who he really is,......the world thought he was Jesus, but now they see the real Christ Coming, which there is absolutely no mistaking..and every knee shall bow then...and this shows the world Who is really Who and who is not.

It will not be Satan, but the Antichrist who at the abomination of desolation (Daniel 11:31) will sit
in the rebuilt temple-building and proclaim himself
God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36), even though
the Antichrist could have Satan dwelling inside of
him.

na, it is not a sepatare entity, antiChrist is a role that Satan plays....he comes instead of Christ, fooling the world, hence anti...instead of...

remember that the supernatural fallen angel Satan is going to be cast out of heaven forever and to the earth for a short season (Rev12),....remember that all angels have their very own bodies...they do not inhabit people....not biblically anyway....but Satan does cast his spirit from heaven and can posess as scripture teaches...also angels are called men in scripture, and Gabriel's name even means "man of God" in Hebrew.

but Satan the devil, is going to be here on earth himself, soon....not his spirit being cast as it is now, but actually here himself, claiming to be Jesus Christ (Who is God as you know I'm sure) and fooling the world completely...beguiling the church.

During the tribulation, the Church on the earth will
remain the temple of God (2 Corinthians 6:16), so
that after he defiles the temple-building of God, the
Antichrist will then wage war against the Church
temple of God and behead Christians (Revelation
13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4).

I disagree...the elect Christian witnesses will be sealed with truth, and protected (kept safe) from Satan( death-Luke21, Heb2:14)...but the rest of the church will be apostate (2Thes2) and follow this fake Jesus.

not only do I think that there will be no rebuilt temple (as the temple refers to us) but I do not think that this antiChrist will be a beheading murdering monster as many suspect....he will claim to be God returned...Jesus Christ....the warfare is of a spiritual nature....the possibility of death during that time, is of a spiritual nature...

The Church considered the first-century temple-
building in Jerusalem to be the true temple of God;

I doubt that if they had heard Paul preach or read his letters...

that's why the apostles of the Church still went there
to pray (Acts 3:1, 22:17).

that was very early...there were no churches and that was where the message had to spread from, the religious authority...

But the Church wouldn't have made sacrifices for sin at the temple because those were done away with through the one-time
sacrifice of Christ Himself (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews
10:18).

yet they were at the synagoge...the temple building...not for any Mosaic covanent purpose, but for Christ's Gospel

But in the early Church, there were many thousands
of Jews who remained zealous for the old Mosaic law
(Acts 21:20), and so continued to make non-sin
offerings at the temple according to the Mosaic law,
even though they no longer had to (Hebrews 7:18-19).
And the apostle Paul even joined in with them at
least one time (Acts 21:26);
he became like them
temporarily in the hope that he might be able to
gain some of them (1 Corinthians 9:20) away from
their continued bondage to the old Mosaic law
(Galatians 4:21-5:14).

assumption...infact, the entire chapter states that he did not need those things at all....you can go into the temple without having to offer for sin. Becoming a Jew, may refer to many things....I sincerily doubt that Paul would have participated in animal sacrifice after knowing the mysteries of God....his whole message was that those sacrifices were not valid anyway...how do you suppose that he was breaking that main message and the reason that Christ came here for ?...

na, Paul did not do that, and it is not written that he did....you assume that, I certainly do not.

Another time, the apostle Paul had to remind even
the apostle Peter not to get all caught up in trying
to please those Jews in the Church who mistakenly
thought that they still had to keep the old Mosaic
law (Galatians 2:11-21).

well, not really...those Jews that came with James did not believe that gentiles could have the same promises that Israel currently had/has....even under this new Covanent....and Peter was obviously wrong for caring what they thought.....

Paul's whole conversion is centered around the fact that the Gospel and promises of God were open to all...he was the gentile's messenger...Peter knew this as well, from Acts10-11



con't

 

[zeke37]

Actually, Revelation 14:1-5 is referring to Christ
with the 144,000 part of the Church in the heavenly
Sion, New Jerusalem (Hebrews 12:22), after the
144,000 part of the Church has been caught up to
the throne of God as the "man child" right before
the reign of the Antichrist begins (Revelation 12:5-6).

I disagree...the church never leaves earth, no one does...Christ is coming here. Rev14 represents events at the final trump (7th in Rev11)

Jesus is here on earth with the election gathered together on Mt Zion on earth....the center of the universe really...and where the Father Himself will dwell (Ez48)

The elect firstfruits and Christ are right here on earth during the Lord's Day, working to help as many as possible who went astray in that tribulation period. (Ez44)

While the 144,000 part of the Church is before the
throne of God in the third heaven (Revelation 14:5),

na, on earth on Mt Zion with Christ...gathered as promised(Mat24:29-31, Mar13:24-27) after the events of that day....and gathered to Zion, right here, at the earthquake that marks Christ's arrival...a path is made for the righteous to get there...

others in the Church will still be on the earth
suffering and dying during the reign of the Antichrist
(Revelation 14:12-13).

no one will die....be tempted, be hurt spiritually but not killed (Rev9, Luk21)

They will refuse to worship him
or his image or receive his mark in their hand or
forehead, knowing that to agree to do so would mean
their eternal torment (Revelation 14:9-13).

not really...but that is how many view it...there is still the Lord's Day to refine those that need it....and this test of the Devil, is showing who needs it...God has blinded many on purpose and it would not be really fasil of Him to destroy them or toture them forever, if He blinded them... would it?

na, the verse in Rev20, if divided proiperly shows the two groups of firstfruits who are gathered together...those that have died in the past already, even those beheaded for the Word...martyrs...

and

those that did not take the mark, and are fully protected, who lived to be the ones who do not die and are changed at the Gathering when Christ returns, to be like the angels (1Cor15).

2 groups, those in the past, and those alive at His coming...no one is going to be killed from Satan and his, except the final two individual prophets (Olive trees-witnesses)...and that action brings God down 3 1/2 days later.

Satan isn't the False Prophet,

yes he is...Christ is the real True Prophet...

although the False
Prophet could be possessed by Satan so that he will
be able to perform amazing miracles by the power of
Satan to get the world to worship the Antichrist
(2 Thessalonians 2:9, Revelation 13:12-18, 19:20).

no possession when Satan is here on earth in his very own body (Rev12) pretending to be Christ (Rev13)...possession when Satan is in heaven casting his spirit here...but not when he is here himself in his very own angelic body...that ability of possession is no longer going to be his, IMO.....

he will be here himself anyway...and he IS already supernatural...and can already do amazing things that we humans cannot do, as the other angels of the bible do...

The Antichrist and the False Prophet are two men who
will be cast alive into the lake of fire at the
second coming (Revelation 19:20), some thousand
years before Satan is cast into the lake of fire
(Revelation 20:7-10).

na, they are Satan's role as fasle prophet (or antiChrist - who comes instead of Christ)
and
Satan's political multiheaded beast system _NWO or Babylon...

these two things, the role and the political union....are completely done away with at Christ's arrival...but no entity is destroyed yet...even Satan himself is not, for he is reserved for one more role first...after the Lord's Day is at an end...

no more false prophet/antiChrist role, because Jesus Himself will be here for the Lord's Day....that deception will not work again...

and God will not allow the fallen angel led NWO to exist either then....the nations will exist, but not the power behind them...so the Political beast is likewise done away with...

con't

 

[zeke37]

The world will worship Satan in addition to the
Antichrist (Revelation 13:4). But it will probably
not worship him as "Satan", but as Lucifer, who
through the Antichrist could deny that he's Satan
and claim that it's YHWH who is Satan (Revelation
13:6), while he (Lucifer) is the good guy.

never even heard of that one before...silly really

Satan/the Devil/Lucifer/the Dragon/the Serpent/antiChrist/false Prophet/son of Perdition/man of sin/etc......all the same dude....

And the Antichrist will not claim that he's Jesus
because he will deny that Jesus is the Christ
(1 John 2:22), and so will deny that Jesus is God.

that is the spirit of antiChrist...

the antiChrist shall indeed deny that the true Christ is the Messiah, because he will be claiming to be Christ the Messiah....he will not declare out loud that Jesus is not God or Christ....no...he will claim to be God-Christ, thus denying the truth alltogether

The Antichrist could claim that it's Lucifer who is
Christ/God, and that he (the Antichrist) merely has
Christ/God dwelling inside him to the fullest extent,
like (he could say) Jesus did temporarily (John
20:28), for he will deny that Christ/God Himself can
ever become flesh (1 John 4:3; 2 John 1:7).

again, silliness

God will allow the Orthodox Jews to rebuild a temple-
building in Jerusalem and restart the daily Mosaic
animal sacrifices for two or three years before the
Antichrist stops them (Daniel 11:31).



God will accept the rebuilt temple and restarted
Mosaic sacrifices as holy in themselves, for even
though the Mosaic law has been completely abolished
in its continued application to men (Hebrews 7:18-19),
it in itself remains completely holy before God
(Romans 7:12).

What God will not accept from the Orthodox Jews is
their motive for rebuilding the temple and restarting
the Mosaic sacrifices for sin, which motive will be
their unbelief in the one-time sacrifice of Jesus for
sins (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 10:18). Their sacrifices
for sin will not help them one bit to obtain salvation
(Galatians 2:21, Hebrews 10:1-23). That can only come
through faith in Jesus (John 3:36, 14:6, Acts 4:12)
and His death for our sins and His rising from the dead
on the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

lol....like they were not orthodox back then? No, you are totally wrong here....they may try to build one, but God will not ordain one, nor want one....Christ did away with those forever....no exceptions,...not even for orthodox Jews...

IMO, they will not try....or at least they will not complete one...

There will be some elect Orthodox Jews (as well as
other Jews) who, even though they remain unbelievers
throughout the tribulation, will all become believers
after the tribulation, at the second coming, when
they see Jesus (Romans 11:26, Zechariah 12:10-14).

they may realize that they were wrong, as all will when they see Him coming...we still have the Lord's Day

But they will have had to have rejected the Antichrist
and refused to worship him or his image or receive his
mark in their hand or forehead, for anyone who agreed
to do those things will never be saved (Revelation
14:9-11).

well, IMO that is not correct exactly...but it is a long study...basically, God has set up every one to fail...meaning that eveeryone will fail except those few that he chose a long time ago for this specific purpose...they are programmed to know the truth, while the others do not....but God has an amazing plan which allows Him to fully know everyones true heart....and that is what He is after...if it takes failure in this test to overcome the next one, so be it...

^Wow Bible2 you got lots of matter that i agree with, you have good knowledge of the end times. The original temple of worship was destroyed, what exists in its place now is a mosque right? So in order for a new temple to be built, the mosque has to be done away with right?

and that will never happen until Christ Comes...for if it did, there would be a war like you have never seen....it is their 3rd most sacred spot...

I remember reading that the anti-Christ will unite all the important world leaders together, even those that have been enemies for the longest time and there will be peace.

he will come on the wings of peace...when Satan comes to earth, cast from heaven...the world system that is going to be in place, will be failing and WW3 will be on the brink....Satan's arrival will fool the world into believing that he is Jesus come back...and his mere presence will save the world system and bring peace for a time...

So in order for the mosque to be done away with, the Muslims have to agree that their mosque be removed and that a new temple be built right? I think that these signs will be the the signs that the end times might be approaching.

I sincerily doubt that will happen....Christ will cleans the temple grounds and the temple (us)....but certainly not before He gets here to do it.

in His service
c

 

[garry2]

True (1 Corinthians 13:9, 8:2), but is one going to
help us know more from the scriptures (2 Timothy 3:16),
or just snipe from the sidelines? (Acts 17:18, John 7:12)

Glad you agree that you don't know much, as far as your accusation that I snipe from the side lines, your problem , if I don't say much, strange that it offends you.