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'White Lives Matter' rallies flop as hardly anyone shows up

Discussion in 'Current News & Events (Articles Required)' started by tulc, Apr 11, 2021.

  1. JimR-OCDS

    JimR-OCDS God Cannot Be Grasped, Except Through Love

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    I don't know who they were, but the media identified them as White Supremist and Nazis, which the public swallowed hook line and sinker. :D
     
  2. tulc

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    ...if you'd like to discuss the above subjects perhaps you should start a thread about them where they could be discussed? This thread is about what's in the OP.
    tulc(just a thought #2)
     
  3. JimR-OCDS

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    People who are focused on race as BLM and the left are doing the same as Hitler and the KKK as they too were focused on race.

    Now Asian political activists are trying to claim there is an attack by white supremist against them and they point to the killings in GA.

    The fact is, there is no anti-Asian attack by whites, that's a lie by the media

    The killings in GA didn't have anything to do with race, but a sex addict attacked Asian spas and killed prostitutes he often went to. Two of those he killed were not Asian.

    Fact is, Asians do better economically and socially than white people. So, there must be Asian privilege that they benefit from ?
     
  4. tulc

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    Except the discussion is about the facts presented by many different sources and your dismissing what's said because of who said it is a logical fallacy called an Ad Hominin.:
    Ad Hominem


    Except apparently the people who's job it is to actually make those sorts of assessment's for the government don't agree with your assessment.


    ...which might be true if this thread was about how honest Rep. Schiff was and not what it's actually about. If you'd like to discuss Rep. Schiff's veracity perhaps that would be something best done in a thread about that subject?
    tulc(is going to need more coffee soon) :coffee:
     
  5. daydreameranastasia

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    You talk like an alt-righty.
    “It wouldn’t be the first civil war democrats started”
    Are you part of the group of conservative thought who believe that the Republicans and Democrats shifted parties between the civil war and the Great Depression? Or no?
    Not to mention that the civil war wasn’t about *states rights*. Don’t give me that load of crock. It was about states' rights to own slaves. Which became a human rights issue. Human rights issues nullify all states' rights concerns.
    Oh, but you’re against slavery? That’s right - because Abe Lincoln was a Republican and the Confederacy was Southern Democrats. Southern Democrats at the time were socially and politically conservative (small government, conservatism, etc). Meaning, they’re not Democrats by today’s standard but actually more akin to today’s Republicans. We don’t start seeing modern political parties until the 1930s.
    Oh, but the parties didn’t switch? Historically, the parties platforms state otherwise. Dixiecrats, you say? Again, these Dixiecrats (who were southern conservatives) just changed parties.
    Look, I’m against censorship. But private platforms can do what they want. It’s a no shoes, no shirt: no service mindset. These platforms are businesses and if they say they don’t want you talking about smurfs wearing slippers or using the word banana then that’s well within their rights.
    Is it lame that they can silence the people they don’t like? Sure. But think of these platforms as restaurants on the highway of the internet. The internet itself is not censored. And before you think about saying it is: figure out if you mean a website/platform or the actual internet.
    Now, where else is this so-called censorship happening? The news? Oh, that’s because it’s a monopoly and they got to be broken up but Republicans don’t like that idea because it’s “messing with the market” and “too much federal oversight”. Let’s just completely forget about Teddy Roosevelt (if you’re one of the conservatives that don’t believe that the parties switched) and his antitrust laws. Those laws just need updating.
    How funny you accuse Democrats of making votes not count when the republicans are gerrymandering and doing all sorts of antics to prevent people from even voting in person (I’m not even talking about having an ID or anything, literally just showing up to vote in person).

    It’s so easy to scream and accuse someone of something when you just call them a liar or that everything they do is lies.

    References:
    A Summary of How the Major Parties Switched - Fact / Myth
     
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  6. grasping the after wind

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    So much for the idea that right wing terror is such a big threat.

    How often does that actually happen? Rampant is a word that has meaning. I would expect that if we are in the midst of rampant racism such incidence must be happening routinely all over the country on a daily basis.
     
  7. East of Eden

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    I know the Biblical definition of life, at conception. Science isn't my god, and scientists are just as likely to let their biases impact their work as any other occupation.

    Conscience? Would a Jew who never was in the death camps not be able to speak out about the Holocaust?

    Too bad, there is no right to not be offended. The left offends me daily, and abortion is the ultimate offensive and disrespectful action. Like slaves, the unborn are considered less than human and therefore expendable, all for the good of society of course.

    Who is defending slavery? I wish Islam would end slavery that exists today. All the US slave owners and slaves are long dead, so why is it an issue today?
     
  8. aiki

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    That is certainly what the Leftist race-baiters want you to believe. I live in a very multi-cultural city where whites, aboriginals, East Indians, Chinese, Filipinos, and blacks are all strongly represented as percentages of the population. Get them together in large groups, though, and you can see very distinct racism in each. My Canadian wife is Filipino in extraction (her parents moved to Canada in the early eighties). When we attend events on her side of the family where I am the sole white guy present, the racism is very overt. Though all of her extended family in the city speak English fluently, my wife's relatives refuse to engage in conversation with me. I will sit for two or three hours at a time, almost totally ignored by them. They'll speak to my wife, though, and to each other, of course, but in Tagalog or Ilocano which I don't understand. When I get tired of being ostracized by her family, I'll try to engage them in conversation, asking them about their lives. If I do so, in short order they all leave the room, excusing themselves for one reason or another, congregating somewhere else away from the white guy to continue their conversations with each other. This has happened over and over again in the time my wife and I have been married.

    I was in a Hindu home a year or so ago and was basically told that I was non-Hindu and so not deserving of respect. Wow.

    An Iranian guy said pretty much the same thing to me, forcing his wife and children to stay shut up in a bedroom 'til my repair work was finished, determined they should not interact with the kafir (infidel).

    Racism, as I said, is a human thing. It has to do with the wicked human heart, not the color of someone's skin. Are you aware of how the blacks of Africa made slaves of one another? Thomas Sowell has some videos on YouTube where he discusses this, showing how distorted a view Americans have of antebellum slavery.

    It seems to me that much of the anger is inherited, massaged into succeeding generations, exaggerated and maintained by the likes of BLM, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton.





    Nonsense. See above. This is BLM propaganda, not reality. If the very culture of America was racist, you'd be working on a plantation, not protesting racism on this website. If America was as racist as you say, all those black folk I mentioned wouldn't be earning millions every year, famous, unmolested and openly and aggressively urging people to racist thoughts and actions toward white people.

    I think you need a wider understanding of the sort of slavery that has gone on throughout human history. Nothing you describe was foreign to the slavery under which multi-millions have suffered in past centuries - often at the hands of their own countrymen.

    Of course you are. The problem isn't a cultural issue but a human heart issue which never goes away. And the black community in America has made this matter a common subject of conversation, wrongly attributing failure, not to absentee fathers, and the damaging effects of government "support," and a lack of good education, and so on, but to some "systemic racism" for which there is no good evidence.

     
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  9. Avniel

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    I would say it happens daily across the country. It’s happened to me at least 10 times. 2 of those times were before I grew my locs and a majority of those times was within 5 years after I grew my locs. I would say 6 times the police officers were just responding to the call and knew it was nonsense and 4 of times I was treated like a criminal. As a professional I didn’t make a formal complaint, I didn’t record it and I just wanted the officers to leave as quickly as possible because it was highly embarrassing.
     
  10. East of Eden

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    I don't even know what that red herring means.

    No kidding, your party was against such human rights, just as they are against the right to life today.

    Facilitating the slavery enterprise isn't exactly small government, Democrats ignored the Constitution, or twisted it to make blacks not count, just as they ignore and twist it today and always. When FDR interned Japanese one of his minions when asked about the Constitution said, "That's just a scrap of paper."

    Your party was the party of slavery and Jim Crow (the latter in my lifetime), and the KKK was basically the military wing of the Democratic Party.

    Except the left won't allow bakers not to create artistic expression cakes for gay weddings they regard as an abomination.

    All these big tech libs who censor are acting as editors, which means their legal protections can be done away with. Even Mexico and Russia were appalled at their recent censorship, it is very China-like.

    Who is saying break them up? They need to be exposed and countered with good news outlets. It is your party that recently wanted to restrict FOX news, something the head of the FTC was shocked at.

    I'm not a fan of any POTUS named Roosevelt, Teddy's disastrous third party run let in the awful Wilson, another one who thought the Constitution too restrictive to his schemes.

    News flash, both parties do that.

    LOL, no they aren't. The biggest threat to our democracy has been the dirty cops who spied on an opposition candidate (I didn't know the FBI had an opposition?) and who launched the Russia Hoax coup attempt, which basically tried to disenfranchise 63M voters.
     
  11. East of Eden

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    A bad situation, but blacks are 12% of the population but commit half the murders, so of course cops will do such things right or wrong. In a perfect world it wouldn't happen, and neither would all those murders.

    It would help if blacks wouldn't cry wolf either. Recently I was in Puerto Rico at a very nice hotel restaurant, a black couple next to us left without paying the bill due to slow service or some such excuse. When confronted the lady started screaming profanity and playing the race card, a nearby table of black diners walked over in her defense (on what basis who knows), the crazy lady ended up throwing a glass at the traumatized staff. I'm sure if she had ended up in jail for assault as she should have it would have been racist to some lib.
     
  12. East of Eden

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    I'm not aware of any Muslim nation where 'infidels' aren't treated at some level as second class citizens. In some places it is an ongoing 'kristallnacht' against Christians, and not just by a few bad apples, but all levels of society, including cops.
     
  13. Avniel

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    I am not left or right, I believe Malcolm X said it best when he described the liberals. Obama did more for the homosexual community, Hillary destroyed Haiti and Biden isn’t going to do anything directly to bring progression to the poorest black americans. I’ve lived in New York City and I was called the N word prior. I’ve been told to move back to Harlem despite my father being a physician. I’ve also had my rights violated for driving a nice car in the wrong neighborhood while visiting family. Race definitely played a role. In the south I’ve seen real KKK members and had a brief altercation, I’ve had a contract with an employer that stated they didn’t want to hire anymore blacks, I’ve been called the N word 4 times to my face, I’ve witnessed customers treated based on their race, I’ve witnessed college educated black woman get passed up for a job by a less qualified applicant and I’ve had individuals that wanted to speak to the owner of my business and laugh when told I was the owner.

    Racism is an American thing, there are places that never even had terms for race. The concept of race was created by European scientists. Race is a man made construct and that invention is European design. Those blacks in Africa did not sell their own people, they actually sold prisoners of war and people that their tribe was waring with. So the one another aspect is inaccurate. In Africa it was not based on religion, race or country, Africa base their identity on tribe. Also there were Africans that became aware of the harshness of American slavery and pushed back like Queen Nzinga. I didn’t learn this on YouTube nor from politicians, I have my BA in political science and accounting from an HBCU. I took several classes on the African diaspora from the historian that wrote the books.

    That is not accurate and a logical fallacy, argumentum ex silentio. Financial success amongst individuals does not negate the fact that individuals with names identified as ethnic are less likely to get interviews with the same qualifications, less likely to use and sell drugs but more likely to be incarcerated for illicit drug use, more likely to receive higher sentences for the same crimes, school for prison pipelines and criminals that murder blacks receive less time. All list have been studied and confirmed to be true.

    I wouldn’t say it was inherited, I would say it was based on personal experiences in America and even things I’ve witnessed in America. I don’t support Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and BLM, I’m a pan-Africanist, that is an assumption. My anger is based on my black experience here in America vs my black experience abroad. I do not believe that America is nor will ever be a safe place for black people as a race.

    it’s historical fact, slavery in Africa was not racial, it was debtor and or prisoners of war. It was not generational, often the prisoners of war had children that would marry into the family thus bringing two tribes to one. Slavery in America was massively different, even the codes that slaves had to live in were different. I believe it’s disingenuous to pretend that slavery in America was not extreme compared to what occurred globally.


    I disagree I think that’s an argument tactic to get away from the issue. Even the wealthy, educated and accomplished blacks in America seem to agree mostly. My father is a Howard MED graduate and his speciality is as an internist. I made my first 100k at 23 doing audits for school districts and municipalities, I’m a black man that has two professional, married, parents with doctorates one an MD and one PhD. Guess what I think America is racist.

    I’m not attributing racism to any of my failures because I have none, in business it’s just lessons. However, I have a problem with the way I’ve been treated in America vs the way I get treated when I travel abroad. I feel more comfortable outside of America, I feel more respected as a human when I leave this country and I feel safer when I interact with police in other countries. Not because of my failures but because of America’s failures.

    I think BLM is a cop out for the white American so they never deal with the issues black people have in this country.
     
  14. BNR32FAN

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    Yeah it’s 2021 not 1960. Just goes to show that racism is dead, well at least on the Caucasian side it is. I’m really glad this rally was held so that it serves as an eye opener to all those who think racism against POC is so predominantly rampant in the US. Evidently it’s not.
     
  15. Avniel

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    Out of that 12% how many black people go to jail for murder? How many violent criminals do the black community turn the blind eye towards because they don’t want to interact with the police? In the community the vast majority are not criminals, most black criminals are nonviolent drug offenders, so why judge a community based on people that aren’t the majority. When I was burying my grandmother I had a guy pull a gun out on me, I didn’t call the police. I heard he broke into someone’s grandma’s home looking for someone. I even heard he beat up a young girl for calling him dirty. He stabbed a guy that had a mental handicap, almost took his life. He’s not in jail and everyone knows he did it......that’s the problem. The numbers are bad because a small group runs around with no accountability.

    I told my wife I want to go to Puerto Rico for vacation and she told me that’s for poor people. Why do we compare black people that are at the bottom of the barrel with blacks people that are not? False equivalency
     
  16. Avniel

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    Then how do you explain black people’s individual experience with racism?
     
  17. tulc

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    ...or it is and they just simply didn't to show up for these rallies?
    tulc(just a thought)
     
  18. BNR32FAN

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    Each situation has its own specific details. Let me explain a situation and you tell me if you think that this might be an example of racism. A black guy working at a concrete demolition company for 2 years has been cutting concrete for 26 years. He’s always on time, he’s very reliable, he out performs his coworkers, he even works a 25 hour shift when asked at the last minute. His supervisor tells him they’re looking for a new supervisor but he needs to have his OSHA 30 hour course so two weeks later he takes his vacation and completes the course on his own time paid for the course out of his own pocket and comes back and gives his certification to his supervisor. A month later his company hires a white guy from another company who is only 24 years old and gives him the supervisor position. Now does that look like racism to you?
     
  19. East of Eden

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    I wasn't talking about drug crimes, but murder. Trump tried to reduce blacks going to prison for drug crimes, Clinton enabled that high drug prison rate to happen.

    Yes, lots of repeat offenders, but that goes for criminals of all races I'm sure.

    What's for poor people? Condado Beach area of San Juan is very upscale, much more so than where I live in the US. This is the problem we encountered: 'Chaotic situation': Puerto Ricans indignant at tourists breaking Covid mandates

    Of course NBC put their spin on the story, we didn't hear any locals complain about COVID rules being broken, all complained about the very bad behavior described in the article by US spring break tourists attracted by cheap flights.

    "Other videos show disorderly tourists getting into fights, dancing on top of moving vehicles, and destroying private property around Puerto Rico’s metropolitan area, including well-known tourist spots. One of the most viral videos showed a tourist riding a scooter in the middle of a busy highway in San Juan, the capital city.

    “We’re seeing a chaotic situation, something we haven’t seen before,” Oscar Medina, a San Juan resident, told WKAQ, the local TV news station from NBC's sister network Telemundo in Puerto Rico. “Most of the tourists in Old San Juan and Condado act aggressively at night, don’t wear their masks and leave their trash behind.”

    Another resident who lives across from an Airbnb apartment in Old San Juan, Evelyn López, said tourists staying there often have “loud music, speak loudly and engage in altercations.”

    The black lady I described acting like a jerk playing the race card to get out of paying her bill does way more perception damage than any white supremacist.

    My grandparents came from Puerto Rico in 1917, their family owned slaves there until 1874 unfortunately. I remember lots of talk about 'La Raza', being 'pure' Spaniard, many there do have some mix to them, probably me included, the funny thing is there is none of the racial animosity you see here.

    Agreed race is a European construct, probably due to Darwin, the one who wrote the book on the 'favored races'. From a Christian perspective race is irrelevant.
     
  20. grasping the after wind

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    Or one could just use Occam's razor and consider the most logical and simple explanation to be the likely true one. Not many people show up because not many are racists.
     
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