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This is for research purposes, it's not a troll job.

I've read just about everything I could. Can someone please explain the overwhelming white evangelical support for Donald Trump, and mormon minister Mitt Romney?

I have long wondered the same thing. Mitt Romney seems to be a moral and ethical man so perhaps he should be left out of this discussion.
 
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I have long wondered the same thing. Mitt Romney seems to be a moral and ethical man so perhaps he should be left out of this discussion.
Yes, I agree that Romney should be left out of the discussion. He has more than proven in recent months that he is indeed a moral man and a man of courage.
 
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Romney is worth including though since many evangelicals don't consider Mormons to be Christians. But to focus on Trump, it's because he speaks the right language. He rails against abortion and supports Israel 100% which are the two main issues for many evangelicals.
 
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the overwhelming white evangelical support for Donald Trump
I am white and claim to be some kind of an evangelical, which to me simply means gospel preaching. But it seems to me that I might not speak for any and all evangelicals :) So, first off > I intend to share a little about myself, then some general stuff I think I have picked up >

Because of how I see things > I can not vote for a presidential candidate who is ok with killing unborn people; also, if a candidate's example is anti-love, I also consider anti-love candidates to be un-votable, no matter who their party is.

We need to be pro-life but also pro-love, I would say; because there is a major problem in the United States because of people not being sure of love, not being able to tell the difference > as could be evidenced by America's over-fifty-percent divorce rate. Also, I see how there is even cultural pressure for unwed pregnant mothers to kill their own unborn with whom they could learn real love. To me, it seems pretty evident how there is major devastation in people's minds and souls and hearts because of not being brought up by parents whose example has helped them to know how to love in marriage, and because of how people have not been brought up to deeply cherish nurturing unborn children.

Jesus says, "if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" in Matthew 5:46. So, Jesus expects us to love any and all people; yet, in the United States there are some number of people who are so deeply ruined, that they can barely get along with their own family members and their own unborn children. And in their weakness of what is not God's all-loving love, they can break down into arguing and other abuse, plus all the other problems we are seeing, including in politics, of people incapable of first loving, then speaking. Notice how Jesus related with the guy He knew was wrong > Mark 10:21 > Jesus loved first, and then spoke, and this with caring about the guy's need . . . not merely how Jesus might want to use or control the guy > Mark 10:21. But ones now can be about how they want to use a candidate, not personally caring in prayer with hope for each person, like 1 Timothy 2:1-4 says to do "first of all".

Unsure love could be, then, in my opinion, the main national security problem of the United States. It is not enough to save unborn Americans, and then essentially murder their souls with bad example so they grow up not knowing how to love and how to know who they belong with in marriage. If you don't take care of this . . . nothing else can work . . . I would say.

So, we need a candidate who is not only pro-life, but an example of how to relate in love.

We, of course, already have Jesus.

So . . . about things I suppose I have noticed about different sorts of evangelicals who might be different than I am >

There are people who claim Donald is tops, nothing wrong with him, at all.

Ones seem flabbergasted at how he has recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. There are ones claiming to be evangelicals, who insist we must vote for Donald in order to bless Israel. It is possible certain people are even threatening us, that if we do not vote for him, then we are not blessing Israel and therefore God will curse us. But I would say not all pro-Israel evangelicals are trying to use threats like this. And my opinion is we need to bless Israel by requiring them to openly confess Jesus is their Messiah and obey Him, or else they are themselves disobeying how God would bless them.

There are other evangelicals who consider Donald the lesser of two evils.

And there are evangelicals who consider a Mormon not acceptable; so on principle they won't vote for Mitt, or maybe they would consider him the lesser of two evils if he became the Republican choice.

As you can see . . . if I am correct > not all evangelicals are functioning the same way. There might be other variations.
 
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Romney is worth including though since many evangelicals don't consider Mormons to be Christians. But to focus on Trump, it's because he speaks the right language. He rails against abortion and supports Israel 100% which are the two main issues for many evangelicals.

Trump does not or perhaps even cannot take a stance against injustice especially when it impacts some of his base.
 
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They are small government. They don't want government messing with their guns or their churches and schools.

They don't want the poor to be helped without being forced to sit through an altar call or maybe even get their feet washed. Their charity comes with a price, and is more about conversion than compassion.

I remember a college student who went on a mission trip right after the earthquake in Haiti. He gave a presentation and said that the students would visit a school every day to teach the children about Jesus, and that one day they went to the beach and spent a little time cleaning it up. I asked him later why he was so intent I'm converting children in a country that was about 90% Catholic, AKA Christian. Didn't he see their hunger, their damaged homes, their lack of clean water and electricity, I asked? He seemed hurt that I would not have recognized the good they did. but the early Christians got it right, converting people because they saw how Christians love one another. Going to an area with desperate need to proselytize to people who are already Christian is counterproductive
 
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This is for research purposes, it's not a troll job.

I've read just about everything I could. Can someone please explain the overwhelming white evangelical support for Donald Trump, and mormon minister Mitt Romney?
There are two ends of this matter, one spiritual and one secular. I'll start with the secular. White evangelicals agree with conservative (or at least seemingly conservative) viewpoints. They're pro-life, prefer a more limited government as seen in scripture. There is among evangelicals to view America as a Christian nation, the shining city on the hill as Reagan once said. They don't agree with the pro-abortion, socialist, pro-homosexual and assorted anti-christian sexual views of the Democrats.

From a spiritual standpoint, evangelicals are in grave error. First they buy into the failed social gospel, wherein society can ve saved if only we have the right laws. Jesus demands that we have the right laws but as Israel made clear the laws themselves don't do anything to the heart. Second, evangelicals refuse to apply Biblical standards to leaders, choosing instead to convince themselves leaders are really a modern Cyrus while adopting the progressive view that personal lives don't affect political ability. This is a grave error that gave us a cultist in Romney and a serial liar and philanderer in Trump.

White evangelicals should be demanding leaders who bow to Christ and strive to enforce his law here on Earth. Until they do that, the church will continue to be judged by God and weak.

I should also note another grave error is unwavering support for Israel, which is based on heretical views of end times and worse a heretical view of Israel. It has caused evangelicals to support all manner of middle eastern war.
 
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I've read just about everything I could. Can someone please explain the overwhelming white evangelical support for Donald Trump, and mormon minister Mitt Romney?
Is it the case that there is, or has been, "overwhelming white evangelical support" for Mitt Romney?

Some analysis of the 2012 election had it that the lack of support from that segment of the population might have cost him the election.
 
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Trump support by evangelicals and any christian for that matter, has to do with choosing the lesser of two evils. They saw Hillary as a calculating liar and Trump as a reckless liar, but at least he exposes his flaws and doesn't care.

In today's world, it all has to do with identity politics. There are two camps. Republican and Democrat and each side will defend their positions, not because they're defending the group they identify with, but their own ego which has attached to the group.

I've been drop as friends by relatives and old friends on Facebook, because I don't agree with them on issues. Doesn't matter if their conservatives or liberals. Not supporting their position means I'm the enemy and therefore dropped from their friends list.

OH well, I'll remain a Christian regardless how unpopular it's becoming. :angel:
 
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Is it the case that there is, or has been, "overwhelming white evangelical support" for Mitt Romney?

Some analysis of the 2012 election had it that the lack of support from that segment of the population might have cost him the election.

Mitt Romney was governor of my state and his health plan which was called Romneycare, saved my life.

He was a good governor.

However, I fault him for not supporting the other republican candidates in the state, especially when they were women. Lt Gov Kerry Healey (R) ran for governor when Mitt announced he wasn't going to run for reelection. Mitt literally ignored her when she was on stage with other dignitaries. He named all of them and thanked them for coming to hear his speech, except Kerry Healey, whom he knew was running for governor.

Of course Mitt left MA and moved to his second home in Utah and made it his primary residency so he could run for senator there.

Despite everything, I believe he'd make a great president.
 
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My input wasn’t asked for (not being white), but I’ll say what I have been saying for five years

What is the option? Democrats have presented no one who even vaguely attracts the Evangelical community (white or otherwise).

Evangelicals (white or otherwise) are typically pro life, believe in the sanctity of marriage. Just those two things negates any of the Democratic candidates. Combine that with the pillory attempts consistently from the left, why on earth would we vote Democrat.

Want an example?

Antifa (a left group) burnt Bibles recently and kindling for flags.

Anyone in the Democratic Party speak out against it?

Honestly, would the reaction be the same if they burnt Koran’s?
 
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I’ll submit this opinion also. If the Evangelical community (white or otherwise) did not have as big an impact on elections as they do. This would be a non issue.

The left only cares about it because they effect the vote.
 
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Trump support by evangelicals and any christian for that matter, has to do with choosing the lesser of two evils.
No, they supported him because he was for freedom of religion. With this particular constituency, it had less to do with any "lesser of two evils" perspective, although that played a big role with other voters.
 
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No, they supported him because he was for freedom of religion. With this particular constituency, it had less to do with any "lesser of two evils" perspective, although that played a big role with other voters.

But the left's persecution of religions, is part of the lesser of two evils, in addition to abortion and same-sex marriage.

Remember Trump began his campaign attacking Pope Francis, but his handlers got to him quickly and got him to change his tune, as the Catholic vote was important enough to at least not insult them, regardless if their being on the left or right, which most Catholics today side on in politics.
 
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But the left's persecution of religions, is part of the lesser of two evils, in addition to abortion and same-sex marriage.
Okay, if that is what you meant.

It doesn't seem to go to what people usually mean when they describe the Trump-Hillary race as a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils, but now that you've explained your meaning with specifics....
 
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