Which three of these Ten Animals would yu restore from Extinction?

[durangodawood]

...The only thing that prevents me is the claim that he doesn't approve of it and will remove it shortly.

Sure. How long have the suffering animals been waiting for God to remove the suffering?

 

[Radrook]

Sure. How long have the suffering animals been waiting for God to remove the suffering?

Some understand it as approx. seven thousand years. Others as millions. From a JWS standpoint death and suffering from infirmity and old age is the animal destiny. That's the viewpoint I was taught. However, death due to predation was not the intended original design. Which brings into question many things that aren't easy to explain unless one factors in demonic intervention on a genetic level.

 

[durangodawood]

Some understand it as approx. seven thousand years. Others as millions. From a JWS standpoint death and suffering from infirmity and old age is the animal destiny. That's the viewpoint I was taught. However, death due to predation was not the intended original design. Which brings into question many things that aren't easy to explain unless one factors in demonic intervention on a genetic level.

Oh brother.
The natural explanation for all this just holds up so much better.

 

[Radrook]

Oh brother.
The natural explanation for all this just holds up so much better.

That natural explanation requires abiogenesis and I just can't accept that concept.
But I can understand your perplexity since I share it to a certain degree..

 

[durangodawood]

That natural explanation requires abiogenesis and I just can't accept that concept.
But I can understand your perplexity since I share it to a certain degree..

Well everything since the origin of life is sooo well explained naturally.

Maybe the very origin is divine.
Or maybe we simply dont know enough about it yet to grasp a natural explanation.

 

[Radrook]

Well everything since the origin of life is sooo well explained naturally.

Maybe the very origin is divine.
Or maybe we simply dont know enough about it yet to grasp a natural explanation.

Well, some see the natural explanation that way I guess.

 

[Radrook]

LOL! Yes, that can be quite a nuisance. I agree, however that they should've not been obliterated.

Apparently they became to be thought of as a sort of "vermin", like rats.

They were also seen as free food. It's like someone scattering poultry all over and asking people who like to eat poultry to leave it alone. If you have kids to feed and vittles are scarce and poultry is nesting on your property then it might be seen as a blessing from heaven or as an answer to your fervid prayers. Imagine they solemnly thanked the lord while divesting the birds of their plumage and at the dinner table just before digging in.

 

[brinny]

They were also seen as free food. It's like someone scattering poultry all over and asking people who like to eat poultry to leave it alone. If you have kids to feed and vittles are scarce and poultry is nesting on your property then it might be seen as a blessing from heaven or as an answer to your fervid prayers. Imagine they solemnly thanked the lord while divesting the birds of their plumage and at the dinner table just before digging in.

Yes, that is quite possible...

 

[Radrook]

Yes, that is quite possible...

1.Passenger pigeons were hunted by Native Americans, but hunting intensified after the arrival of Europeans, particularly in the 19th century. Pigeon meat was commercialized as cheap food, resulting in hunting on a massive scale for many decades.

2.

Their feathers for Pillows

Though they did not last as long as the feathers of a goose, the feathers of the passenger pigeon were frequently used for bedding. Pigeon feather beds were so popular that for a time in Saint-Jérôme, Quebec, every dowry included a bed and pillows made of pigeon feathers. In 1822, one family in Chautauqua County, New York, killed 4,000 pigeons in a day solely for this purpose.[73]

3.They were used for target practice in shooting tournaments

In 1871, a single seller of ammunition provided three tons of powder and 16 tons (32,000 lb) of shot during a nesting. In the latter half of the 19th century, thousands of passenger pigeons were captured for use in the sports shooting industry. The pigeons were used as living targets in shooting tournaments, such as "trap-shooting", the controlled release of birds from special traps. Competitions could also consist of people standing regularly spaced while trying to shoot down as many birds as possible in a passing flock.[28][95] The pigeon was considered so numerous that 30,000 birds had to be killed to claim the prize in one competition.[39]

4. They were shot for sport

Passenger pigeons were shot with such ease that many did not consider them to be a game bird, as an amateur hunter could easily bring down six with one shotgun blast; a particularly good shot with both barrels of a shotgun at a roost could kill 61 birds.The birds were frequently shot either in flight during migration or immediately after, when they commonly perched in dead, exposed trees.[91] Hunters only had to shoot toward the sky without aiming, and many pigeons would be brought down.[28] The pigeons proved difficult to shoot head-on, so hunters typically waited for the flocks to pass overhead before shooting them. Trenches were sometimes dug and filled with grain so that a hunter could shoot the pigeons along this trench.[93] Hunters largely outnumbered trappers, and hunting passenger pigeons was a popular sport for young boys
Passenger pigeon - Wikipedia

BTW
It is theorized that the depopulation of the Native America population is what caused a population explosion among Passenger pigeons and that prior to the European invasion they had been rare due to Native Americans keeping their numbers under control via hunting them for food.

 

[brinny]

It's a wonder they survived as long as they did

 

[Radrook]

It's a wonder they survived as long as they did

With all that concentrated effort-definitely. That shows just how many there were by that time. People probably concluded that they were infinitely numerous. Of course that isn't a unique conclusion for humans since they thought the same about the vast German forests and pretty soon were running out of trees.

BTW
Passenger Pigeons are thought to have been rare prior to the depopulation of Native Americans who preyed on them and competed with them for certain food. That is included in the link I posted to the article.

 

[brinny]

They were quite the survivor....and such pretty birds...

 

[Radrook]

They were quite the survivor....and such pretty birds...

They started switching nesting places but the telegraph invention which was used to report their new location immediately to hunters made that strategy useless.

 

[brinny]

They started switching nesting places but the telegraph invention which was used to report their new location immediately to hunters made that strategy useless.

That's quite smart of them....unfortunately there was a war against them in so many ways...

 

[Radrook]

That's quite smart of them....unfortunately there was a war against them in so many ways...

There seemed to have been a natural balance between them and Native Americans though. It had kept their numbers within reasonably manageable limits. As the Native American population waned the Passenger pigeon population started to swell obviously out of control and to become irresistibly enticing for food and sport and environmentally intolerable to the European settlers.

BTW
Adding to the pigeons' trouble was superstition. Some
Europeans interpreted the presence of so many avians suddenly descending seemingly out of nowhere on their land as an evil omen causing their presence to provoke a sense of God's disfavor and impending doom.

 

[brinny]

There seemed to have been a natural balance between them and Native Americans though. It had kept their numbers within reasonably manageable limits. As the Native American population waned the Passenger pigeon population started to swell obviously out of control and to become irresistibly enticing for food and sport and environmentally intolerable to the European settlers.

BTW
Adding to the pigeons' trouble was superstition. Some
Europeans interpreted the presence of so many avians suddenly descending seemingly out of nowhere on their land as an evil omen causing their presence to provoke a sense of God's disfavor and impending doom.

Superstition is one scary and oppressive task master/god.

 

[Radrook]

Superstition is one scary and oppressive task master/god.

As the Salem Witch Trials show.

 

[brinny]

As the Salem Witch Trials show.

BTW
Did you finish watching Jesus of Nazareth?

Mob-think is always scary...

 

[Radrook]

Mob-think is always scary...

?

 

[JD16]

Not as terrifying or humiliating as being publicly snubbed after asking a simple decent question. Right?

The Salem Witch Trials is tyranny in action,.... mob think could lead to mob rule and that sort of situation tends to take a life of its own,....the French Revolution comes to mind...