Which three of these Ten Animals would yu restore from Extinction?

[Radrook]

The hint that I was making a huge mistake was the way that she always became euphorically ecstatic almost to the point of hysteria each time one of my animal pet-poems reached her. It should have been obvious that I was adding fuel to an obsession that had absolutely no possibility of ever including me whether in this life or the next.

 

[Armoured]

I once had a girlfriend online who constantly was grieving her pet horse and pet dogs which had passed away. She wholeheartedly believed that they were all in heaven looking down on her and hoped to be reunited with them after death. I wrote many poems to assure her of that hope. Ironically, in the long-run she loved her pets far more than she loved me and that contributed to our final break-up..

BTW
Maybe if I had toned it down a few notches with the animal poetry things would have lasted longer.

if our pets are waiting for us in heaven, I don't know how I'm going to explain to the cat that there have been other cats. Let alone the dog! Also my daughter thinks she's had the same Siamese Fighting Fish since she was 3 (now 10) so that's going to be another 6 or 7 awkward conversations right there!

 

[Radrook]

if our pets are waiting for us in heaven, I don't know how I'm going to explain to the cat that there have been other cats. Let alone the dog! Also my daughter thinks she's had the same Siamese Fighting Fish since she was 3 (now 10) so that's going to be another 6 or 7 awkward conversations right there!

That is similar to having to explain Santa Clause doesn't exist. I almost literally passed out when it was revealed to me.

BTW
Another thing we might need to explain under that afterlife scenario would be why we thought we had the right to make a certain species extinct. Like the fellow who boasted having strangled the last auk. What is he going to say? Or those who continued to hunt a species to extinction although they knew that it had been on the brink. In such cases ignorance can't be used as an excuse.

 

[Armoured]

That is similar to having to explain Santa Clause doesn't exist. I almost literally passed out when it was revealed to me.

BTW
Another thing we might need to explain under that afterlife scenario would be why we thought we had the right to make a certain species extinct. Like the fellow who boasted having strangled the last auk. What is he going to say? Or those who continued to hunt a species to extinction although they knew that it had been on the brink. In such cases ignorance can't be used as an excuse.

On a serious note, I haven't mistreated an animal since I was 11 and there were ants and I had a magnifying glass. Since then I've always done my best to treat animals with respect. I've killed a few in there, but even they were for justifiable reasons, I hope. And a few bonafide accidents, and I will happily look any kangaroo in the eye iin heaven and say "dude, YOU jumped in front of the car. If you'd just stayed on the side of the road, you'd have been fine..." I don't really believe many if any go to hell, but I'd like to think theres a special place in pergatory where whales with harpoons get some paybacck though.

 

[Radrook]

On a serious note, I haven't mistreated an animal since I was 11 and there were ants and I had a magnifying glass. Since then I've always done my best to treat animals with respect. I've killed a few in there, but even they were for justifiable reasons, I hope. And a few bonafide accidents, and I will happily look any kangaroo in the eye iin heaven and say "dude, YOU jumped in front of the car. If you'd just stayed on the side of the road, you'd have been fine..." I don't really believe many if any go to hell, but I'd like to think theres a special place in pergatory where whales with harpoons get some paybacck though.

Well, I don't think there is any human who can go though life without inflicting some damage on some animal in one way or another. We kill roaches, mice, flies, mosquitos in self defense because otherwise they might harm us via infection. We kill many insects because many insects pose a threat to our crops and we need to eat. We kill others because we need the protein or amino acids that their flesh provides. Such behavior is understandable and justifiable.

What isn't justifiable is the infliction of UNECESSARY suffering on these animals in the process of defending ourselves or leading them to extinction as was done with the Passenger Pigeon.

I personally as a kid purposefully stepped on ants, squashed bugs and considered it of no import. I imagine that most kids do the same unless their parents teach them that life is sacred and should not be taken just for the sake of amusement.

Had I been raised under Jainism, then I would never have done it since such killing of animals is prohibited. Those who hunted whales were likely persons who had been socialized to view whales as mere commodities and so to kill them meant nothing and their extinction meant nothing as well. In a hypothetical afterlife such socialization would be taken into consideration. After all, we can't choose how we are going to be raised and what values we are taught.

BTW
About whale hunter payback:
You mean a place where the harpooners get hunted and harpooned by the resurrected whales?

 

[Armoured]

BTW
About whale hunter payback:
You mean a place where the harpooners get hunted and harpooned by the resurrected whales?

That was the general idea. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that whale hunters were a product of their time and were socialised t see that as acceptable. It still seems horrific to me.

 

[Radrook]

That was the general idea. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that whale hunters were a product of their time and were socialised t see that as acceptable. It still seems horrific to me.

It's just like those who went to see people burnt alive at the stake during the Inquisition. They considered it entertainment because they were brought up to see it that way.

The Romans and their gladiatorial fights often included animals fighting one another to the death as well as killing humans,. Romans raised under such an environment saw it as natural as they considered natural nailing a human to a cross as punishment.

Socialization can dehumanize us in very serious ways and make us sometimes seem either non human or demonic. The sad part is that the animals, who unfortunately for them, are forced to share this world with us are often the victims of our fallen nature.

The Lion disappeared at an early time from Italy and Greece after being hunted and captured by the thousands for gladiator spectacles. When European Lions had been killed off, Romans turned to North Africa. The Barbary or Atlas Lion (Panthera leo leo), once distributed through much of the region north of the Sahara, fell victim to hunting and Roman Coliseum games.
Roman Slaughters Endangered Species Handbook

BTW
Some people gradually boil crabs alive until cooked with nary a twinge of conscience. I asked one why he cooked them in that horribly painful way and his answer was that it was the only way to do it. They desperately struggled to get out of the boiling water ad he just stood there with a long handled fork preventing it.

 

[grasping the after wind]

What harm were they personally doing to you?

I don't think I claimed they did me harm. However, as they certainly have never done me any good and as they became extinct through the normal evolutionary process i.e. survival of the fittest, I can find no practical use for them in today's world and surely no reason to yearn for their return any more than I would yearn for the return of any other creature unfit for the current environment. They would simply become extinct again in short order.

 

[durangodawood]

Moa
Stellars Sea Cow
Aurochs

Charismatic and mega!

 

[grasping the after wind]

What are you talking about?? Spinosaurs could eat half a dozen New Zealanders in one bite!

Rabbits are just as effective and much more prolific.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...0gxMmA&usg=AFQjCNEZjbqSO_QESxj7bC9ZdYXqOTcMRQ

 

[Armoured]

Rabbits are just as effective and much more prolific.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjswqSu8_nSAhVI04MKHSz1D6UQtwIIKTAD&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wssk-0gxMmA&usg=AFQjCNEZjbqSO_QESxj7bC9ZdYXqOTcMRQ

Rabbits can barely make it through half a New Zealander in a sitting! What do you mean "as effective "?

 

[Radrook]

I don't think I claimed they did me harm. However, as they certainly have never done me any good and as they became extinct through the normal evolutionary process i.e. survival of the fittest, I can find no practical use for them in today's world and surely no reason to yearn for their return any more than I would yearn for the return of any other creature unfit for the current environment. They would simply become extinct again in short order.

Ever hear of Keystone Species? They are the ones that would restore the natural environment to what it was prior to their disappearance which is considered an improvement.

Some extinct species were important "keystones" in their region. Restoring them would help restore a great deal of ecological richness.

Woolly mammoths, for instance, were the dominant herbivore of the "mammoth steppe" in the far north, once the largest biome on Earth. In their absence, the grasslands they helped sustain were replaced by species-poor tundra and boreal forest. Their return to the north would bring back carbon-fixing grass and reduce greenhouse-gas-releasing tundra. Similarly, the European aurochs (extinct since 1627) helped to keep forests across all of Europe and Asia mixed with biodiverse meadows and grasslands.
Opinion: The Case for Reviving Extinct Species

 

[Radrook]

What are you talking about?? Spinosaurs could eat half a dozen New Zealanders in one bite!

What did New Zealanders actually do?
Fatally injure your pet Kangaroo?
Mangled and broke its two little arms
When it leaped their tall fences and dined on their farm?

Or chuckled the night by the light of the moon?
And kept them affright near their island lagoon?
Or suckled their Joeys too loud for their taste?
So they reached for their rifles in greatest of haste?

and blasted cruel nature to silence once more
and set you aghast when you witnessed the gore?
and beheld their cruel sneers as your Kangaroo died
while pleading for vengeance with painful last cry?

What did New Zealanders actually do?
Fatally injure your pet Kangaroo?

 

[Jimmy D]

The hint that I was making a huge mistake was the way that she always became euphorically ecstatic almost to the point of hysteria each time one of my animal pet-poems reached her. It should have been obvious that I was adding fuel to an obsession that had absolutely no possibility of ever including me whether in this life or the next.

Sorry, I thought you were joking that your poetry drove her away.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

If I could raise the dead, aka 'restore from extinction'; I don't think of animals at all. In fact I think mostly of my father who is now in his late 80's and still denies Christ. Who cares about the existence of dodo birds when there are still people who need salvation? Or does someone here think the resurrection of the dead is about animals? But hey, have fun with your surmisings while you can...

It must be tough, going through live believing such nonsense.

 

[Radrook]

Sorry, I thought you were joking that your poetry drove her away.

No! She had actually claimed that the poetry was one of the reasons why she practically worshipped me as her personal god! That's what kept me furiously inspired pumping out pet-related poetry for the better part of almost two years.

 

[Radrook]

A better question, what DIDN'T they do? Seriously, if you've ever listened to a New Zealander whine about underarm bowling, or mangle the pronunciation of the number between 65 and 67, let alone the cuisine of seafood and potato restaurants, you'd understand.

OK! Thanx for the explanation. Just wondering since I am not from that part of our world and am unfamiliar with the nuances of cultural and international relationships in that region.

 

[Jimmy D]

No! She had actually claimed that the poetry was one of the reasons why she practically worshipped me as her personal god! That's what kept me furiously inspired pumping out pet-related poetry for the better part of almost two years.

LOL, must be powerful stuff!

 

[Armoured]

OK! Thanx for the explanation. Just wondering since I am not from that part of our world and am unfamiliar with the nuances of cultural and international relationships in that region.

Point of order, not "international" relationships, because they're not a real country.

 

[Radrook]

LOL, must be powerful stuff!

Well, it was to her since she was in a perpetual state of sorrow and mourning over the loss of her pets which she called her babies. So the poetry was concerning how they were still alive in heaven. How they would eventually be reunited. How she would once more gallop on her horse as she did as a child. You see, she described their personalities in minute fascinating detail and how special each one was.

So I really got to appreciate each pet to the point of considering it my pet as well. Cared for them as much as she did actually and so the poetry was sincere from the heart and wasn't intended to gain favor via hypocrisy. It came natural and was honest in its expression of emotion. If indeed I had not felt what I was writing then I would have refrained since I don't believe in the use of hypocrisy in order to attain or maintain love.