Which Kamala are we voting for?

[JosephZ]

Harris was in charge

A vice president, whether it be VP Harris or anyone else, doesn't have the power or authority to do anything about border and immigration policy or the enforcement of immigration laws outside of giving advice on these issues.


Harris was never put in charge of the border or immigration policy. Nor was she involved in overseeing law-enforcement efforts or guiding the federal response to the crisis. Her mandate was much narrower: to focus on examining and improving the underlying conditions in the Northern Triangle of Central America—El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras—which has been racked by decades of poverty, war, chronic violence, and political instability. The strategy relied on allocating billions for economic programs and stimulating private-sector investment in the region in hopes that these programs would ultimately lead fewer migrants to make the dangerous journey north.


The vice president was never in charge of the border. That job belongs to Alejandro Mayorkas, the secretary of homeland security, and to Xavier Becerra, the secretary of health and human services.

Referring to Harris as the “border czar” isn’t new. Right-wing media, anti-immigrant activists, and Republican politicians have been using the label for the vice president for years.

It has its roots in March 2021, when Biden announced that he would be giving Harris essentially the same assignment he got during his own vice presidency: coordinating diplomatic relationships to address the “root causes” of migration into the United States.

Senior White House officials who briefed reporters before the announcement emphasized at the time that this was a diplomatic assignment: a two-pronged approach to build diplomatic ties with these countries and to oversee investment and implementation of foreign aid to these countries to address infrastructure, grow business, and strengthen civil society.

 

[Always in His Presence]

A vice president, whether it be VP Harris or anyone else, doesn't have the power or authority to do anything about border and immigration policy or the enforcement of immigration laws outside of giving advice on these issues.

Also Post #11, #14 and #15 - state otherwise.

And so did Joe

I will take the President at his word over a source from the left media covering for her ineptness.

 

[Postvieww]

She is talking about private detention centers, not ICE detention centers ran by the government.

That may or may not be true but in the video neither the question or her answer specified private. Even so liberals always talk of the need for more money and resources so why would she close needed detention centers?

 

[JosephZ]

That may or may not be true but in the video neither the question or her answer specified private.

That's because the video was intentionally edited to make it appear that Vice President Harris was saying something that she really didn't say.

Here's a video that gives her answer in its entirety. The question about shutting down immigration detention centers begins around the 34min 30sec mark.

Even so liberals always talk of the need for more money and resources so why would she close needed detention centers?

Privately owned detention centers have had a long history of abuse, substandard sanitation, and poorly trained staff. They need to be shut down, and many agree that they do, as the applause she received indicates.

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[Tropical Wilds]

didn't think so -

The whole basis of the thread is you being hysterical and wound up, then when you’re proven wrong, resorting to spin to justify the hysteria. This has been a pattern since she started running.

But, I know how these threads go and I see it happening already. You just want to be wound up and nothing anybody shows you about how you are wrong will fix that.

 

[JosephZ]

I will take the President at his word over a source from the left media covering for her ineptness.

Here's an article from a right leaning source.

No, Kamala Harris Is Not The ‘Border Czar’

The Trump campaign and his allies have made Harris’ handling of the border crisis into one of their main attacks against Harris in recent weeks at the Republican National Convention and as she’s taken over for President Joe Biden as nominee, and the House passed a resolution Thursday in a 220-196 vote that “strongly condemn the Biden Administration and its Border Czar, Kamala Harris’s, failure to secure the United States border.”

Biden tapped Harris in March 2021 to lead a much more narrow diplomatic effort to curb migration from the “Northern Triangle” countries—Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador—and address the root causes for why residents there immigrate to the U.S. in the first place, along with enhancing other countries’ borders that those migrants travel through along the way before they get to the U.S.

She was never tasked with managing border security in the U.S., which is under the purview of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, who said in June 2021 Harris is “leading our nation’s efforts to address the root causes—that fundamental question of why people leave their homes,” while he is “address[ing] the security and management of our border.”


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And here's one from an unbiased source.

Harris was never 'border czar,' experts say, despite Republican claims

Was Harris appointed as border czar?

Immigration experts say no.

Theresa Cardinal Brown, senior adviser on immigration and border policy at the Bipartisan Policy Center, said that early in the Biden administration, Harris was assigned the task of reducing migration to the U.S. southern border and collaborating with Central American nations to address the root causes of migration through diplomacy, development and investment.

“She was never named a border czar. In fact, the border was not her priority issue at all. The border was the responsibility of Homeland Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas. She was never in charge of the border per se,” Brown said.


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Similar articles on Vice President Harris' role on immigration can be found from AP and Reuters which are the least biased news media sources.

 

[Bradskii]

Sure...

That is so odd. You've been told exactly what her responsibilities were, you've argued against that and yet...you link to a video that confirms exactly what you have been told.

 

[JosephZ]

Every time I see these posts, I’m delighted that she has her opponents this wound up and scrambling.

They're showing their desperation and it scares them to see how popular she is. They want President Biden back on the ticket so bad.

 

[Always in His Presence]

They're showing their desperation and it scares them to see how popular she is. They want President Biden back on the ticket so bad.

Nope you missed it.

 

[comana]

I live in California, where Kamala Destroyed San Francisco, Lax on Crime, making More Crime. She cant do anything, Hides from reporters. I cant believe people would consider her - Just look at her history, its BAD "Kamala Harris loves illegal immigrants, drug users, and rioters in urban and campus protests, but hates parents." Quote I took off Newsweek. . Don't even want to talk how Willie Brown uplifted her carrier. Oh and she has the lowest Ratings of any Vice President.

One law that she fought for, was Criminalizing Parents of Truancy students. A guy I worked with would drop his son off at school, when he came to work his son would leave school. Then they made him sign his son in at the front desk. But as soon as he left, the son would leave the school. Under Kamal's law the father got 30 days in jail, then 60 days. My Friend sued the school, and lost, this guy ended up with thousands of dollars in debt, lost his job because of this written law. I do not Like HuffPost but here is a story about the horrible law (The Human Costs Of Kamala Harris’ War On Truancy)

Oh my pet peav she calls us a democracy, we are not, we are a Republic. Democracy is the DNC's slogan.

This is Harris! expect more great things from her.

Shouldn’t parents have responsibility for ensuring their children attend school? I don’t see the problem.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

I live in California, where Kamala Destroyed San Francisco, Lax on Crime, making More Crime. She cant do anything, Hides from reporters. I cant believe people would consider her - Just look at her history, its BAD "Kamala Harris loves illegal immigrants, drug users, and rioters in urban and campus protests, but hates parents." Quote I took off Newsweek. . Don't even want to talk how Willie Brown uplifted her carrier. Oh and she has the lowest Ratings of any Vice President.

One law that she fought for, was Criminalizing Parents of Truancy students. A guy I worked with would drop his son off at school, when he came to work his son would leave school. Then they made him sign his son in at the front desk. But as soon as he left, the son would leave the school. Under Kamal's law the father got 30 days in jail, then 60 days. My Friend sued the school, and lost, this guy ended up with thousands of dollars in debt, lost his job because of this written law. I do not Like HuffPost but here is a story about the horrible law (The Human Costs Of Kamala Harris’ War On Truancy)

Oh my pet peav she calls us a democracy, we are not, we are a Republic. Democracy is the DNC's slogan.

This is Harris! expect more great things from her.

“San Francisco you know, is a great city 15 years ago, now it's considered almost unlivable, you can't live there.” - Donald Trump

Trump seems to think than California was its best under Kamala. He was nice enough to mention it during one of his speeches.

 

[Bradskii]

"Kamala Harris loves illegal immigrants, drug users, and rioters in urban and campus protests, but hates parents." Quote I took off Newsweek.

At least I didn't have to read the rest.

 

[mark46]

Harris has changed her views in her various political speeches? WOW! Let that be a major Republican issue. Certainly, Trump and Vance have never done such a thing. If Republicans want this election to be about honesty and moral character, COME ON DOWN!
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This election is about the future. The strongest advantage the Democrats have is Trump's lack of discipline in his speeches.
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Let's give it a week or so, a honeymoon week after the convention. Then the ugly, ugly campaign can begin, as normal, on the weekend before Labor Day.

 

[mark46]

She wasn't put in charge of the border, immigration policy, or overseeing the response to the crisis at the border.

Let's stop the nonsense and meet the issue head on.
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1) The US economy recovered better than any economy in the world in the Biden 3 1/2 years.

2) People wanted to come here, millions more than before.

3) Democrats wanted to change from Trump's horrible actions against immigrants, legal and illegal.

4) Violent crime rates and all crime rates (legal and illegal) immigrants are LOWER than of American-born citizens, as has been the case for decades.

5) After months and months of negotiation, Biden/Harris negotiated an immigration law with Congress. ONE MAN caused that legislation to fail: Trump. Of course, others opposed, but there was a clear majority in favor.

6) Harris/Trump now needed to act by themselves, without Congress.
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LET US GUESS THE RESULT (HINT: THE ANSWER IS NUMBER 3)
1) Monthly increases in crossings have been slowly being reduced with the current increases a bit less than before.
2) Monthly increases are down, but still far above the numbers at the end of Trump administration.
3) Monthly crossings are down for the sixth straight month and is lower than when Trump left office and WILL BE much lower when the 2025 Congress passes the 2024 immigration bill into law.

 

[RDKirk]

Kamala Harris has faced criticism for some contradictions in her political career and policy positions. Here are a few notable examples:

1. Criminal Justice Reform: As a prosecutor and later as California’s Attorney General, Harris was known for her “tough on crime” stance, which included supporting the death penalty and opposing measures to reduce mass incarceration1. However, during her 2020 presidential campaign, she advocated for criminal justice reform and criticized the very policies she once enforced1.
2. Healthcare: Initially, Harris supported a single-payer healthcare system and co-sponsored Bernie Sanders’ Medicare for All bill. However, during her presidential campaign, she shifted her stance, proposing a more moderate plan that maintained a role for private insurance2.
3. Fracking: Harris has also changed her position on fracking. While she initially supported a ban on fracking, she later moderated her stance, aligning more closely with the Biden administration’s position2.
4. Abortion: Harris has been a strong advocate for abortion rights, but her position has evolved over time. She initially supported the Hyde Amendment, which restricts federal funding for abortions, but later opposed it during her presidential campaign2.

These shifts in positions have led to accusations of inconsistency and political opportunism.

She claims that from Day one she will tackle inflation - why has she not done that in the last 3 and a half years?

She claims she will control the border - why hasn't she controlled it in the last three and a half years?


She claims she will stop tips from being taxed - that is straight from Trump weeks ago.

This is why an indepth interview and more than one debate is needed -

Bernie Sanders' "Medicare for All" would not have eliminated private insurance any more than Medicare has.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Kamala Harris has faced criticism for some contradictions in her political career and policy positions.

The one that is Not Donald Trump.

 

[Postvieww]

I'm a centrist. I like people who are willing to listen and be flexible in their opinions. I like people who negotiate and come to a compromise. Political opportunists will adjust their stances based on public popularity, and I'm fine with that.

Now if you showed me that she was an inflexible ultra-liberal, then I'd have some problems with her.

She had the honor of being the most liberal senator? Did you know her father is Marxist? Everyone should have a problem with Kamala but her gaslighting campaign has sadly been most effective. Don’t trust her flip flops she is that ultra-liberal you would have problems with.

 

[Yttrium]

She had the honor of being the most liberal senator? Did you know her father is Marxist? Everyone should have a problem with Kamala but her gaslighting campaign has sadly been most effective. Don’t trust her flip flops she is that ultra-liberal you would have problems with.

Even if she is, even if you're not unfairly demonizing her, even if I would have serious problems with her positions, I consider Trump to be too much of a threat for that to get me to not vote for her. I do not care about policies in the presidential race this time around. I don't care about Donald's policies, and I don't care about Kamala's policies.

And as far as I can tell, Kamala is no worse than the typical Democrat politician. I would have preferred a conservative Republican this time around, but I'm not getting that option.

 

[mark46]

Even if she is, even if you're not unfairly demonizing her, even if I would have serious problems with her positions, I consider Trump to be too much of a threat for that to get me to not vote for her. I do not care about policies in the presidential race this time around. I don't care about Donald's policies, and I don't care about Kamala's policies.

And as far as I can tell, Kamala is no worse than the typical Democrat politician. I would have preferred a conservative Republican this time around, but I'm not getting that option.

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I don't know why folks don't believe Trump.
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I am a lifelong liberal Democrat. I would have no problem if the country chose to elect a conservative like Haley or Romney. I'm not always in the majority. I understand that. And many lifelong Republicans feel the same way about Harris. Their strong preference would be a conservative.

The choice is not about liberal and conservative. The choice is between the American system that we've had for over 200 years and Trump.

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Many, many Republicans will vote for Harris. And, still, she may not win. There are that many folks who are dedicated to Trump.

 

[Postvieww]

Even if she is, even if you're not unfairly demonizing her, even if I would have serious problems with her positions, I consider Trump to be too much of a threat for that to get me to not vote for her. I do not care about policies in the presidential race this time around. I don't care about Donald's policies, and I don't care about Kamala's policies.

And as far as I can tell, Kamala is no worse than the typical Democrat politician. I would have preferred a conservative Republican this time around, but I'm not getting that option.

So sad!