Which is easier...?

[TLK Valentine]

Jennae, just YES or NO please:

Are we mutant copy errors, made in the image & likeness of God?

AV1611VET, just YES or NO please:

Have you stopped beating your wife?

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

AV1611VET, just YES or NO please:

Have you stopped beating your wife?

I doubt he has time for that, as he's too busy posting to CF.

 

[quatona]

I have never met a creationist who has denied their children knowledge of evolution.

So where do those creationists here come from who try to tackle evolution theory without having even a basic clue what it says? Someone must have denied them the knowledge.

 

[Booko]

I have never met a creationist who has denied their children knowledge of evolution.

Really? I'm surrounded by them. And they want to deny knowledge of essential biology to everyone else's children too.

I'm surprised you've never met someone like that. They certainly have been in the papers for pretty much...well my life at the very least. Making public statements and all.

They actually teach both sides.

I've yet to find one that even properly understood the other side.

They teach a warped view of evolutionary theory in order to disprove it. That isn't science. It's a nice straw man.

You are actually wrong about evolutionists too...most I know do not give any credit to creationism except to ridicule it.

I did look at it at one time, but so quickly found the gross errors as I got older I decided arguing against creationism is as good a use of my time as arguing with people who think aliens built the pyramids.

Everyone has limited time and energy. I'd like to spend mine on more useful things. Or at the very least, something fun.

I can't even take time out to ridicule creationism any more. I haven't wasted my time that way in many decades.

lol the only reason I'm even in this subforum is I'm avoiding finishing my taxes, and CF seems to be pretty slow all over compared to the last time I was on here.

 

[Booko]

I doubt he has time for that, as he's too busy posting to CF.

I'm at least heterozygous for a mutant a1298c MTHFR gene.

So I guess God is a mutant too. Or something.

X-men, yay!

P.S. You win the Internet today, because PUPPIES

 

[Skaloop]

I have never met a creationist who has denied their children knowledge of evolution.

Technically, neither have I. I am unaware of any Creationist who hasn't allowed their child to know that the concept of evolution exists.

They actually teach both sides.

And that's where I disagree. They have taught their side, and then they have taught their side's view of the other side. They have not taught both sides. They can't. Because they don't know the other side. Even if they actually could teach the other side, they wouldn't because then their kids would go to the other side and no longer be on their side.

 

[Saricharity]

Really? I'm surrounded by them. And they want to deny knowledge of essential biology to everyone else's children too.

I'm surprised you've never met someone like that. They certainly have been in the papers for pretty much...well my life at the very least. Making public statements and all.



I've yet to find one that even properly understood the other side.

They teach a warped view of evolutionary theory in order to disprove it. That isn't science. It's a nice straw man.



I did look at it at one time, but so quickly found the gross errors as I got older I decided arguing against creationism is as good a use of my time as arguing with people who think aliens built the pyramids.

Everyone has limited time and energy. I'd like to spend mine on more useful things. Or at the very least, something fun.

I can't even take time out to ridicule creationism any more. I haven't wasted my time that way in many decades.

lol the only reason I'm even in this subforum is I'm avoiding finishing my taxes, and CF seems to be pretty slow all over compared to the last time I was on here.

Well now you have met a creationist who has been taught evolution, understands it and doesn't believe it. Yes, I've taken biology too and nope, didn't change anything. I still believe in creation. I'm not confused. I also have learned from experiences that it is useless to debate it and thankfully it didn't take me decades to figure it out. It doesn't matter to me what others believe. I will keep sharing the Gospel and planting seeds but I know God is the business of changing hearts not me. I will just be His messenger.

The only reason why I come here is I'm procrastinating too haha. I am drowning in homework and music theory. It peaks my interest now and then to read here.
I hope you get your taxes done..the deadline is fast approaching isn't it?

 

[Saricharity]

Technically, neither have I. I am unaware of any Creationist who hasn't allowed their child to know that the concept of evolution exists.



And that's where I disagree. They have taught their side, and then they have taught their side's view of the other side. They have not taught both sides. They can't. Because they don't know the other side. Even if they actually could teach the other side, they wouldn't because then their kids would go to the other side and no longer be on their side.

That's too bad that some choose to not teach it. It is not something to fear. Knowledge is power. It also helped my faith to learn about it. It also makes me a better witness for Christ. I'm thankful for my education. I've also learned quite a bit about how to approach evolutionists from this forum. I'm thankful for that too. It will be very helpful in the future.
I assure you creationists know both sides very well. Some debate and others quietly take notes and use it to make them better witnesses for Christ. It is always better to discuss in person and not online. It is more purposeful.
Trust me creationists are not afraid of their children switching sides. It's not even a thought in their minds.

 

[Booko]

I assure you creationists know both sides very well.

Your assurance is meaningless in the face of 50 years experience that is completely the opposite.

The theists I know who do understand evolutionary theory fairly well seem to understand what a false dichotomy it is to have to choose between a scientific theory and the existence of God.

Thus they do not describe themselves as "Creationists" since to do so would mean accepting the false choice as real.

 

[Saricharity]

Your assurance is meaningless in the face of 50 years experience that is completely the opposite.

The theists I know who do understand evolutionary theory fairly well seem to understand what a false dichotomy it is to have to choose between a scientific theory and the existence of God.

Thus they do not describe themselves as "Creationists" since to do so would mean accepting the false choice as real.

For me and the believers I'm priveleged to know, there is nothing to choose between.

 

[Blue Wren]

That's too bad that some choose to not teach it. It is not something to fear. Knowledge is power. It also helped my faith to learn about it. It also makes me a better witness for Christ. I'm thankful for my education. I've also learned quite a bit about how to approach evolutionists from this forum. I'm thankful for that too. It will be very helpful in the future.
I assure you creationists know both sides very well. Some debate and others quietly take notes and use it to make them better witnesses for Christ. It is always better to discuss in person and not online. It is more purposeful.
Trust me creationists are not afraid of their children switching sides. It's not even a thought in their minds.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7865222-2/#post67017118

Did you ever, contact your friend, the writer, of your creationist science books, about the errors?

Why, would you bring in, evolution, when witnessing, for Christ????

 

[Blue Wren]

I have never met a creationist who has denied their children knowledge of evolution. They actually teach both sides. Their children have been taught the truth so evolution poses no problems. Some of you are truly ignorant ( don't you just love how derogatory that word sounds when applied to you) about what true creationists believe and teach their children. Knowledge is freedom. You are actually wrong about evolutionists too...most I know do not give any credit to creationism except to ridicule it.

I do believe, that you were taught about evolution, yes. I do not believe, you were taught, the theory of evolution, the science, of it, no. You showed me, your science book. When you, were taught, "both sides" was it the same, with how, this woman was taught both side? The book, she talks about, you, are the one, who told me, about it.

Teaching “Both Sides”?

This lady, she wrote, about her class that taught her "both sides"
"The entire point of this module was to explain why evolution is wrong. The only discussion of evidence was to show that the evidence is all against evolution. No actual evidence for evolution was discussed, except to show that it was fake or misinterpreted, or actually proved evolution was wrong."

Can you, explain, what precisely, was taught, to you, about evolution, in your biology class?

 

[Saricharity]

He's one of the many authors I've studied. I will get to speak with him in person at some conferences I will attend this year.

You would be surprised how much evolution comes up in Street ministry. It's very important to be knowledgeable about it. The people I meet on the streets are often very educated and they want to know answers to the questions they have. I'm thankful for all I read online and learn from others because it has made me better prepared.

 

[Skaloop]

He's one of the many authors I've studied. I will get to speak with him in person at some conferences I will attend this year. You would be surprised how much evolution comes up in Street ministry. It's very important to be knowledgeable about it. The people I meet on the streets are often very educated and they want to know answers to the questions they have. I'm thankful for all I read online and learn from others because it has made me better prepared.

Ok, then please, in your own words, describe the theory of evolution, the processes and mechanisms behind it, and the evidence in its favour that makes it the scientifically preferred explanation for the diversity of life.

 

[Blue Wren]

He's one of the many authors I've studied. I will get to speak with him in person at some conferences I will attend this year.

You would be surprised how much evolution comes up in Street ministry. It's very important to be knowledgeable about it. The people I meet on the streets are often very educated and they want to know answers to the questions they have. I'm thankful for all I read online and learn from others because it has made me better prepared.

Can you tell us, please, the other authors, you have studied?

When evolution, comes up, in street ministry, what, do you tell people, about it?

 

[Saricharity]

I do believe, that you were taught about evolution, yes. I do not believe, you were taught, the theory of evolution, no. You showed me, your science book. When you, were taught, "both sides" was it the same, with how, this woman was taught both side? The book, she talks about, you, are the one, who told me, about it.

Teaching “Both Sides”?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That is hers.
Yes, I was taught the theory of evolution.
Apologia was not my only textbook. It was one of many...it was the only one I could show you a sample of online.
I don't have to believe something is true to understand it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Well, Jennae, welcome to the C/E debates; you'll definitely bring some fresh air to the discussions.

 

[Saricharity]

Can you tell us, please, the other authors, you have studied?

When evolution, comes up, in street ministry, what, do you tell people, about it?

I would rather not. I've already learned it isn't wise nor beneficial.

In street ministry, I strive to answer any question as honestly as possible.
I don't get into debates. If the person disagrees with my answer, that's fine. I'm planting seeds. God is winning souls.

 

[Blue Wren]

I would rather not. I've already learned it isn't wise nor beneficial.

In street ministry, I strive to answer any question as honestly as possible.
I don't get into debates. If the person disagrees with my answer, that's fine. I'm planting seeds. God is winning souls.

If, you were taught, about the science, of evolution, and this, is what, you talk about, in street ministry, why, is not wise or beneficial, to be honest, on here?

 

[Blue Wren]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That is hers.
Yes, I was taught the theory of evolution.
Apologia was not my only textbook. It was one of many...it was the only one I could show you a sample of online.
I don't have to believe something is true to understand it.

I wasn't asking, for you, to comment, on her opinions, no. I was asking, about the facts, she showed, in that article. Were you taught, the same module she was, as, it was the same textbook, as yours? What other textbooks, did you use? Can you, just, outline, what you were taught, about evolution, please?