Which is easier...?

[AV1611VET]

I considered creationism. I concluded what anyone with half an ounce of intelligence concludes - it's a crock from start to finish.

Seeking, like the concept of being open-minded, does not mean any half-thought up crock gets automatic consideration.

Problem?

Ya -- that's not 'half thought-up crock' -- it's basic theology, Mr Seeker.

Creationism has been around a lot longer than evolution has.

 

[Cabal]

Ya -- that's not 'half thought-up crock' -- it's basic theology, Mr Seeker.

According to you - but creationism and your brand of willfully ignorant Christianity is not "basic theology" according to a significant number of Christians (and a good thing too), if you care to look outside the walls of your own church for one moment.

I've seen what creationism leads to - and you can keep it the hell out of my country.

Creationism has been around a lot longer than evolution has.

You'd think after so long you'd have come up with something a bit better than Goddidit and ignoring science.

I hear kids in the playground whinge "but I was here first!" all the time - can you do anything better than playground tactics?

And just in case you think I've forgotten about it, care to justify your generalisations of British Muslims?

 

[AV1611VET]

I've seen what creationism leads to - and you can keep it the hell out of my country.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'your country'; if it's England, then please remember that you gave us the King James Bible.

So quit whining when we use It.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

I'm not sure what you mean by 'your country'; if it's England, then please remember that you gave us the King James Bible.

So quit whining when we use It.

And while were at it, we'll take some cheese too.

 

[Cabal]

I'm not sure what you mean by 'your country'; if it's England

Speaking of which - care to justify your generalised remarks about British Muslims? On what evidence do you base such a general remark?

Then please remember that you gave us the King James Bible.

Ok, and?

So quit whining when we use It.

I have no objections with the King James Bible.

I have objections with certain interpretations of the King James Bible being asserted with nothing but a firm belief in them as if it trumped reason and research, especially when people from another country try and use them to subvert our education system.

As I said - keep them away from my country.

(My country also gave you evolution - I suppose it's too much to ask you take that on board given our good track record with the KJV.....)

 

[Cabal]

And while were at it, we'll take some cheese too.

To be honest, I think I'll appeal to my other country here.

Irish farmhouse cheese pwns.

 

[AV1611VET]

I have objections with certain interpretations of the King James Bible being asserted with nothing but a firm belief in them as if it trumped reason and research, especially when people from another country try and use them to subvert our education system.

As I said - keep them away from my country.

I'd be surprised if your view is shared by other seekers; but I could be wrong.

 

[Cabal]

I'd be surprised if your view is shared by other seekers; but I could be wrong.

Well, given the typical trend away from creationism, I suspect those that disagree are in a minority.

Oh, and - care to provide a basis for your generalisations about British Muslims?

Or are you just going to keep ignoring the question, like every time someone catches you with your pants down or asks you to back up a prejudice of yours?

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, given the typical trend away from creationism, I suspect those that disagree are in a minority.

I personally don't consider you a poster child for Christian seekers (but again, I could be wrong); but if you are, I can see why this planet's greatest preacher in this dispensation* would not be welcome by them.

* Charles Spurgeon

 

[Cabal]

I personally don't consider you a poster child for Christian seekers (but again, I could be wrong); but if you are, I can see why this planet's greatest preacher in this dispensation* would not be welcome by them.

* Charles Spurgeon

If you consider a 21st century opinion representative of a 19th century one, I can see how you might arrive at such an odd conclusion.

Oh and - please provide your basis for your generalisations about British Muslims. Getting tired of asking, and your evasion is telling, and not in a good way.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

If you consider a 21st century opinion representative of a 19th century one, I can see how you might arrive at such an odd conclusion.

Oh and - please provide your basis for your generalisations about British Muslims. Getting tired of asking, and your evasion is telling, and not in a good way.

I wouldn't expect an honest answer Cabal. His is MO is semantic obfuscation, followed by a speedy exit.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you consider a 21st century opinion representative of a 19th century one, I can see how you might arrive at such an odd conclusion.

Odd conclusion?

Good -- so I'm wrong then?

Charles Spurgeon would be welcome?

Or would he make Christian seekers squirm?

 

[Cabal]

Odd conclusion?

Good -- so I'm wrong then?

Charles Spurgeon would be welcome?

Or would he make Christian seekers squirm?

Welcome in what sense? Nothing stopping him speaking his mind. If he came over and started tinkering with our education system in a negative and encouraging others to do the same, he should be shown to the nearest boat.

I find it very telling that you're giving me the fourth degree on whether we'd accept some random preacher rather than Christ.

Very telling indeed.

Shows how much you value your own group's dogma/doctrine over the more important commonalities.

 

[Cabal]

Oh, and AV - please provide a justification for your generalisations about British Muslims.

I'd hate for people to mistakenly think you were prejudiced.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Odd conclusion?

Good -- so I'm wrong then?

Charles Spurgeon would be welcome?

Or would he make Christian seekers squirm?

Squirm how exactly?
Like this?

YouTube - Benny Hinn - Let The Bodies Hit The Floor

 

[Naraoia]

luckily for us religion in the UK has been relegated to the odd prayer at funerals and not all of them either because we have a lot of non religious funerals in the UK...

My graduation ceremony started with a Christian prayer. That at a university with students from 100+ countries and quite a number of Muslims, not to mention other religious (or non-religious) affiliations that aren't as conspicuous as ladies with veils.

One of the things I love the most about Britain is this sense of tradition... but that particular one I didn't much like.

Because I didn't include any?

Are you saying if something is not in my post that therefore it does not exist?

No, I'm saying that if you claim something is evidenced in the academic literature, you bloody well should provide references from the academic literature.

You wouldn't know because it is illegal to teach any hypothesis other than Darwinian evolution.

A pathetic dodge.

From the quotes you threw in there without further explanation, I have to guess that the other hypothesis you want taught is panspermia.

Well, guess what. I've been taught about panspermia. Can't remember if it was mentioned when I was in school, but it definitely came up at uni. First year, even.

Actually, I just looked at the IB biology syllabus (not the most recent, but the one I studied) on wikibooks. Alternative origins theories are not in the basic syllabus, but several of them are discussed in the evolution option. I should've remembered, because I took Option D... This just goes to show how much more I've learned since IB biology

Can anyone chime in about systems other than the IB? (US public schools in particular)

 

[LightHorseman]

Option 2.

Namely:


It is illegal to teach anything other than evolution in biology class because Darwinists have a totalitarian monopoly in our government education system. Identical to Nazi Germany.

Everyone is forced to believe in evolution from the time of their birth, through the time they can crawl, and throughout their entire education. In North Korean academic circles they call this "brainwashing."

Godwin's by post 4. A new record.

 

[Yusuf Evans]

One who believes that God created the universe in six days.

First off, the book of Genesis is full of flaws in the creation story. Plants were made before the sun says it all.

 

[AV1611VET]

First off, the book of Genesis is full of flaws in the creation story. Plants were made before the sun says it all.

I'm familiar with the "flaws" concerning the order of the Creation Week -- thanks to someone on here who is much more knowledgeable than I.

QV please: 2

As I said, God created this universe in "flawed order" on purpose.

In my opinion.

 

[daniel192]

Option 2.

Namely:

It is illegal to teach anything other than evolution in biology class because Darwinists have a totalitarian monopoly in our government education system. Identical to Nazi Germany.

Everyone is forced to believe in evolution from the time of their birth, through the time they can crawl, and throughout their entire education. In North Korean academic circles they call this "brainwashing."

It is not illegal to teach anything other than evolution in biology, because it is the only scientific explanation there is for almost everything in biology.

No on is forced to accept evolution from the time of their birth.

What the hell are you rambling about?