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In "Christian theology", it would seem, there is no functional difference between a brain and a meadow muffin.
Which is easier?
- An evolutionist to sit through Instant Creation 101.
- An instant creationist to sit through Evolution 101.
That's probably because you don't know the difference between the BRAIN and the HEART in Christian theology.
Hi AV! Ha. I wonder how many thread tags there are with "AV Did It" and "AV Didn't Do it" for zombified threads.
I've learned about creationism from various perspectives and it's always been fascinating to me, but unattached to my personal and religious beliefs. I've studied it as dispassionately as I have Greek mythology and Hinduism, obsolete beliefs once fervently held by clergy such as geocentricism, and the historical religious-based opposition to suffragettism and the abolition of slavery.
We had an entire component on the creation myths of civilizations in an 8th grade world religion class. It was like Creationism 101 in a way. It just didn't limit itself to Christian creationism. I wrote a report on Rangi and Papa, the primal couple in Maori creationism mythology that explains their beliefs on the origins of the world, after a trip to New Zealand that year. To foreigners it seems like it's a fantastical story, and yet it was as sincerely believed as the Christian belief in Adam and Eve as historical people. One of the reasons why I accept evolution is its consistency around the world, in cultures where the politics, religions and ideologies are starkly different. It's cooperative. It's science.
I would think it would be easier for someone who understands evolution and accepts it with confidence to sit through a class on creationism because they'd be less likely to bring emotions into the room. I think there's a value in understanding creationism because of its historical (and to an extent current) impact on politics, religion, and culture.
Marry me?
I love starting Mondays with marriage proposals!Sure, why not???!
PS. Thank you for the really sweet comment in the original post. It made me smile.
And that is one difference between religion science. Religion has stopped trying to make sense of the world, and religion thinks that is a good thing. All that is needed is to be subject to your masters, resign to misery, bow down unquestioningly before ignorance, and drop a dime into the collection plate as payment for promised pie in the sky in the sweet by-and-by. Excuse avoidable evils, because, after all, we weaklings, "born in sin" cannot do better than accept and grovel and bribe, so that the master may condescend to forgive.
I remember, perhaps imperfectly, C.S. Lewis' little book, The Great Divorce, where, at the last minute, the hero is rescued from hell, where people are all praying, listening to sermons, and singing hymns, forever.
You don't go to hell, you just stop there. Hell happens when you stop trying to make sense, and just accept.
I love starting Mondays with marriage proposals!Sure, why not???!
PS. Thank you for the really sweet comment in the original post. It made me smile.
It's actually very sad to me that you view things like that. You are missing so much. You and so many others are missing out on something so wonderful. Peace to you.
Sure.Why not explain what that something is?
And that is one difference between religion science. Religion has stopped trying to make sense of the world, and religion thinks that is a good thing. All that is needed is to be subject to your masters, resign to misery, bow down unquestioningly before ignorance, and drop a dime into the collection plate as payment for promised pie in the sky in the sweet by-and-by. Excuse avoidable evils, because, after all, we weaklings, "born in sin" cannot do better than accept and grovel and bribe, so that the master may condescend to forgive.
I remember, perhaps imperfectly, C.S. Lewis' little book, The Great Divorce, where, at the last minute, the hero is rescued from hell, where people are all praying, listening to sermons, and singing hymns, forever.
You don't go to hell, you just stop there. Hell happens when you stop trying to make sense, and just accept.
It's actually very sad to me that you view things like that. You are missing so much. You and so many others are missing out on something so wonderful. Peace to you.
Gracchus used the term "religion science" -- whatever that is.I think that Graccus raises a very good point.
A religion which does not fully engage reality, isn't a religion worth having.
I was going for lollipop and ended up at Thaumatin, but I'm glad you liked it
How's this place? Does it need different drapes?
--- Snipping picture of glorious beautiful Pangong Tso Lake in the Himalayas because it consumed too much of this page. Anyone interested can go back a page to see it.----
Marriage Artemis? You are way to young!!!
Sure.
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Psalm 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And here's a doosey!
1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
Sorry! that should have been "religion and science". I will edit the post to correct it, although you will probably bring it up along with thalidomide and Pluto forever.Gracchus used the term "religion science" -- whatever that is.
I don't think they need your permission.And all religions can go back to Hell, where they came from in the first place.
Amen!I haven't missed out on any of that, AV!
I actually have a high amount of respect for science.I have all those joys as a believer, and additional ones as someone with gratitude for science. I also am missing out on the unnecessary conflict I see amongst young Christians who feel as if they are in a tug of war between science and religion. That in order to believe in one, they must reject the other, and so they feel torn and worn from the struggle. In the teen section and several other areas of this forum there have been heartfelt posts to that effect, and I've personally encountered it as well. Did you know this is one of the leading causes for Millennials to abandon their faith? It's not one or the other.
Science actually draws me closer to God and fills me with more admiration for the genius of his creations. The abundance of evidence for evolution is overwhelming. To me, that means that instead of fighting against science or fighting with other Christians who accept evolution, rejecters should reconsider their own interpretation of scripture. Remember how Copernicus and Galileo were persecuted because their belief in a heliocentric model conflicted with the church's stance in geocentricism. Copernicus was persecuted and branded a heretic thumbing his nose at God, when in truth his work was actually a way of respecting creation by making thoughtful advances in the understanding of it. Darwin was actually defended by many Christians of his time, and despite the claim that he was a threat to the very foundation of the church, he was literally buried within the foundation of a church (Westminster Abbey, which is a profound honor).
I also love that science is something collective that all of humanity has the ability to work collaboratively together on, regardless of our politics, religion, and governments. Of course there has been secrecy and acrimony amongst governments regarding some forms of science, but respect and harmony in many other regards. Think of how the world was unified in the celebration of putting a man on the moon, and how that would not have been possible had old Bible-based misconceptions about the universe been maintained. Many members of my family are scientists and physicians, and I see how the language of science is a universal, and the advancement of it is for the betterment of mankind as a whole. I see this especially with my dad's work as an oncologist, and I also see how understanding evolution brings about better understanding of how to treat cancer. It's afflicted humankind for more than 5000 years, and in your own lifetime there has been more advancement than in all that previous time put together. To me it is a part of stewardship. How can you properly care for God's many creations if you are not educated about them?
Well they most certainly didn't ask my permission to come out, and I'm sure they won't ask my permission to go back.I don't think they need your permission.
I think that Graccus raises a very good point.
A religion which does not fully engage reality, isn't a religion worth having.
This is a blissfest for the eyes. Wow, it's stunning!!!! Perfect.
Haha. You got engaged at 16; I'm practically a slow poke in comparison! You can be the Maid of Honor.
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