Which comes first repentance or forgiveness?

[Faithful777]

Sorry Sir, but you do not understand Romans 3:10

Tell me, if no Jews had faith in God as you believe.
Then explain all the saved Jews, Moses, Abraham, Noah apostles Peter, Paul, James, Luke, Mark, etc.

Given the Spirit to speak with, and Chosen( given faith)


1 Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

 

[Faithful777]

The testimonies are clear( clear to me) the wicked do not want to hear about God ( then they get what they request themselves) and because they are of no understanding, no mercy is on them.

 

[New Testament Christian]

The testimonies are clear( clear to me) the wicked do not want to hear about God ( then they get what they request themselves) and because they are of no understanding, no mercy is on them.

You are not making logical sense Sir.

You teach they cannot have faith!
You teach the reason they cannot have faith is because God does not give everyone faith.

Therefore you cannot blame those who God has not chosen to have faith.

All they can do is not believe.

That makes God guilty of their sin of unbelief.

The unelect are not guilty of their sins.
God is guilty of their sins because HE CHOSE FOR THEM TO SIN.

Calvinism is illogical Sir. It is not Biblical teaching.

 

[Faithful777]

Yes God made them the way they are, and it is answered precisely:


Romans 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

 

[Faithful777]

It is not Calvinism, it is scripture of God.

 

[New Testament Christian]

The testimonies are clear( clear to me) the wicked do not want to hear about God ( then they get what they request themselves) and because they are of no understanding, no mercy is on them.

YOU ARE NOT MAKING SENSE SIR!

wicked do not want to hear about God (

YOU ALREADY SAID THEY CANNOT HEAR OR UNDERSTAND GOD BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT OF THE ELECT!

Its Gods fault according to calvinism if they do not listen to God.

They cant listen to God! God did not give them the ability to listen!

O, God help us!

 

[Faithful777]

You make it obvious all you are ignoring, blessing comes on those who seek for it, when they dont want it, why would they get it...


Psalm 109:16 Because that he remembered not to shew mercy, but persecuted the poor and needy man, that he might even slay the broken in heart.
17 As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him.




how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!


Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

 

[Faithful777]

Yes God made man as they are, and now man says they do not want to know about God, it is their own decision.

 

[New Testament Christian]

Yes God made them the way they are, and it is answered precisely:


Romans 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Ok, Sir
According to your theology God is guilty for mans sin.
Man himself had no choice to sin.
God created him to sin.

Therefore God is guilty for mans sin. Not man himself

 

[Faithful777]

Do you want to know about God New testament Christian ?

I showed you so many verses, and if they are no good to you, it shows the verses are relevant today.

 

[Faithful777]

Ok, Sir
According to your theology God is guilty for mans sin.
Man himself had no choice to sin.
God created him to sin.

Therefore God is guilty for mans sin. Not man himself

Repeating is only without charity as a cymbol.

Man loves iniquity so gets what he loves..


Job 15:16 How much more abominable and filthy is man, which drinketh iniquity like water?

 

[New Testament Christian]

Yes God made man as they are, and now man says they do not want to know about God, it is their own decision.

YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE THINGS YOU SAY.

Sir, you struggle with logical reasoning.

You are not making sense able arguments.

It cannot be their own decision IF THEY HAVE NO CHOICE TO CHOSE GOD.

 

[Faithful777]

if we speak it should be Gods oracles, your own reasoning is against the scriptures..



1 Peter 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

 

[New Testament Christian]

Do you want to know about God New testament Christian ?

I showed you so many verses, and if they are no good to you, it shows the verses are relevant today.

The verses you used are being misunderstood by you and other Calvinists.

You do not understand the verses you are using.

 

[Faithful777]

YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE THINGS YOU SAY.

Sir, you struggle with logical reasoning.

You are not making sense able arguments.

It cannot be their own decision IF THEY HAVE NO CHOICE TO CHOSE GOD.

Their own decision is to not choose God. They say for God to not show His ways to them, so they get as they request ( that is the counsel of the wicked)

 

[Faithful777]

The verses you used are being misunderstood by you and other Calvinists.

You do not understand the verses you are using.

You dont use verses of God, so you understand the spirit of men that is in man, or would speak by Gods word, to understand the Spirit that is of God.


1 Corinthians 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

 

[Faithful777]

Your logic also is faulty New Testament Christian, or maybe answer, do the wicked desire to know Gods way, or they do not want that at all ?

 

[Faithful777]

I answered all you said by the way, and if you show you cant answer a single thing, you show what way you believe ( in equality or no equality)

 

[New Testament Christian]

Their own decision is to not choose God. They say for God to not show His ways to them, so they get as they request ( that is the counsel of the wicked)

Their own decision is to not choose God.

You have just contradicted yourself.

You have difficulty with logic.

First you said they cannot choose to believe or repent:

So God has no given repentance to all men, as to all men, faith is not given, clearly ( they are wicked men, men of faith are delivered from)..

Now you contradict yourself and say they can choose to believe:

Their own decision is to not choose God.

MAKE UP YOUR MIND SIR.

I'm not the one who struggles with basic logical reasoning.

 

[Faithful777]

Ok, Sir
According to your theology God is guilty for mans sin.
Man himself had no choice to sin.
God created him to sin.

Therefore God is guilty for mans sin. Not man himself

All the world is guilty before God, commandment is to repent, the wicked say no thanks, and ALSO, they deceive and try to approach God in a false way ( all by their own deceit and choice)


Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;