Which Church is THE Church?

[Wolf_Says]

Jesus also gave peter the name Satan.

Jesus did not give him that name, He called Peter that because Peter rebuked the OT scripture in which the Son of God will die and rise again.

This does not change the fact that Jesus literally changed Simon's name to rock (Kephas) which translates to Peter.

 

[Thursday]

In acts 14 Paul and Barnabas strengthened the brethren. Paul also fed with milk and meat.

Jesus also gave peter the name Satan.

Look, God alone is the Rock, its clearly stated by God himself, and affirmed by Christ when he discerned between Gods spirit and that of Satan, in peter

You didn't answer a single question.

 

[Monk Brendan]

If the Roman Catholic Church with its headquarters in Rome claims to be the only church Jesus founded, how do you explain why they burned Wycliffe at the stake for translating the scriptures into English? How can you explain why they were selling pieces of paper allowing people to get their loved ones out of purgatory to fill their treasury? Why were thousands executed during the Spanish Inquisition? Why were Catholics involved in the slave trade in Spanish and Portuguese colonies?

Blah, Blah, Blah! I've heard all of these things before. Did you know that criminals in Spain during the Spanish Inquisition TRIED to get a Church trial? The conditions in the Inquisitions jails were a lot better.

What about all of the white Protestant slavers that went to church on Sunday, and the rest of the week pedaled slaves? Who sailed the ships out of Boston or Charleston? Protestants!

 

[W2L]

You didn't answer a single question.

yes I did.

 

[W2L]

Jesus did not give him that name, He called Peter that because Peter rebuked the OT scripture in which the Son of God will die and rise again.

This does not change the fact that Jesus literally changed Simon's name to rock (Kephas) which translates to Peter.

God alone is the rock, he says so himself. The church is built on what Christ gave us, not what peter gave us. Peter can be your rock but I already have the only rock which is God, and god has said there is no other rock. Paul said that Christ alone is the foundation.

 

[W2L]

Blah, Blah, Blah! I've heard all of these things before. Did you know that criminals in Spain during the Spanish Inquisition TRIED to get a Church trial? The conditions in the Inquisitions jails were a lot better.

What about all of the white Protestant slavers that went to church on Sunday, and the rest of the week pedaled slaves? Who sailed the ships out of Boston or Charleston? Protestants!

England started the slave trade. I don't know what church he (the king)belonged to.

 

[Strong in Him]

Well I'm unsubscribing. I don't see the point of this thread.
If it was to say "the Catholics are in the only true church; the rest of you are not and have weaker faith" - you're wrong.
If it was to say "the Catholic church is the only one founded/blessed by Jesus" - you're wrong.

But you're not going to change your views, and I'm not going to change mine, or leave my church.
So there's no point.

 

[W2L]

Well I'm unsubscribing. I don't see the point of this thread.
If it was to say "the Catholics are in the only true church; the rest of you are not and have weaker faith" - you're wrong.
If it was to say "the Catholic church is the only one founded/blessed by Jesus" - you're wrong.

But you're not going to change your views, and I'm not going to change mine, or leave my church.
So there's no point.

Yup, to preach a certain denomination as the true church is infantile. Paul rebuked such carnality.

 

[rturner76]

Catholicism is not a denomination. It's The Church. Protestants have denominations. It's a little weird but I've been corrected on that by Catholics and Protestants.

 

[W2L]

Catholicism is not a denomination. It's The Church. Protestants have denominations. It's a little weird but I've been corrected on that by Catholics and Protestants.

The church are people called out of the world to follow Christ. Catholicism came hundreds of years AD. Its a denomination of the original Church but not the original Church. You can fan the flames of discord all you want, with your divisive theology, but in the end it amount to infantile understanding of faith in Christ.

 

[rturner76]

The church are people called out of the world to follow Christ. Catholicism came hundreds of years AD. Its a denomination of the original Church but not the original Church. You can fan the flames of discord all you want, with your divisive theology, but in the end it amount to infantile understanding of faith in Christ.

Not to be contradictory but wasn't the church in Rome founded by one of the actual 11 Disciples? I aware that it was not the only church founded by them they were all over, however the one Peter started in Rome became one of the most important locations due to it's location at such a transportation hub in the ancient world. Is it not the church Paul wrote his letters to that are contained within in the New Testament? Granted it did not have the structure that it grew to have later in those early days. It still has always been the church in Rome.

I am not trying to "fan the flames of discord" at all. Quite the opposite. I am trying to show that our faith, our universal church, all comes from the same roots. Like I've even seen you write here, Jesus started one church.

 

[W2L]

Not to be contradictory but wasn't the church in Rome founded by one of the actual 11 Disciples? I aware that it was not the only church founded by them they were all over, however the one Peter started in Rome became one of the most important locations due to it's location at such a transportation hub in the ancient world. Is it not the church Paul wrote his letters to that are contained within in the New Testament? Granted it did not have the structure that it grew to have later in those early days. It still has always been the church in Rome.

I am not trying to "fan the flames of discord" at all. Quite the opposite. I am trying to show that our faith, our universal church, all comes from the same roots. Like I've even seen you write here, Jesus started one church.

The Church of Catholicism isn't the one recorded in Paul's letter to the Romans

 

[rturner76]

The Church of Catholicism isn't the one recorded in Paul's letter to the Romans

So there was a different Roman church? Was there a time period when there was no Roman church between Peter's time and the Catholic church's time? I was under the impression there was only one church started in Rome

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

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[W2L]

So there was a different Roman church? Was there a time period when there was no Roman church between Peter's time and the Catholic church's time? I was under the impression there was only one church started in Rome

No, the apostles didn't need icons for worship, or veneration of saints. Catholicism is a messy religion that will always cause division.

 

[rturner76]

No, the apostles didn't need icons for worship, or veneration of saints. Catholicism is a messy religion that will always cause division.

I will concede that the Catholic church as we know it developed over time. However it is an accepted fact that the origin of the Roman church can be traced back to St Peter.
From patheos.com I think it sums it up nicely

It traces its history to Jesus of Nazareth, an itinerant preacher in the area around Jerusalem during the period of Roman occupation, in the early 30s of the Common Era. Its members congregate in a communion of churches headed by bishops, whose role originated with the disciples of Jesus. Over a period of some decades after Jesus' life, death, and resurrection, the bishops spread out across the world to form a "universal" (Greek, katholikos) church, with the bishop of Rome (traced to the apostle Peter) holding primacy. Today Vatican City — and specifically, Saint Peter's Basilica — stands over the grave of Peter, and the pope is considered Peter's successor.

 

[Albion]

I will concede that the Catholic church as we know it developed over time. However it is an accepted fact that the origin of the Roman church can be traced back to St Peter.

--but not any moreso than all the other churches that descend from that church--which is most of them.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

My brother just passed away and I felt like just sitting in church. Of course the only church open was a catholic church so I was grateful to go sit in there. Looking around it looked very much like a regular Christian setting. But then I started to realize all the nonbiblical beliefs that one HAS TO BELIEVE just to be accepted into that religion I got up and walked out.

Talking with other catholics on this forum has convinced me that most don't believe what they are forced to adhere to either. The Mary stuff. They just go along with it. Honestly I think that's the nail in the coffin for them. Mass suicide. Not being responsible for their own salvation.

They (the catholics) say that they began so must endure. But because of corruption the other churches began. And are enduring. To me the catholic church remains as a giant that has overstayed the flood of ungodliness. Pretty as the open church is it is cloaked in unbelief that ascribes Grace where it does not belong thereby leaving Jesus dead on the cross.

jmho

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

No, the apostles didn't need icons for worship, or veneration of saints. Catholicism is a messy religion that will always cause division.

Don't need them; true. However Icons have been found in the catacombs (yes above altars) and in mosaics and wall paintings in the ruins of first century houses of worship.

This image of Mary, the Mother of Jesus Christ, was painted by St. Luke. It was carried by St. Thomas the apostle to India about one thousand, nine hundred and fifty years ago. Today, Mary continues to be venerated through this painting. It is kept at the main altar in the Church of Mount St. Thomas in Madras, India, the place where St. Thomas was martyred

The Holy, Royal and Stavropygiac Monastery of Kykko has been the holy Ark in which the miraculous icon of the Mother of God, which according to tradition was painted by St. Luke himself, has been preserved.

There are more examples and discussion here: http://pazhayathu.blogspot.ca/2010/10/paintings-by-apostle-luke-rare-portrait.html

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Don't need them; true. However Icons have been found in the catacombs (yes above altars) and in mosaics and wall paintings in the ruins of first century houses of worship.

This image of Mary, the Mother of Jesus Christ, was painted by St. Luke. It was carried by St. Thomas the apostle to India about one thousand, nine hundred and fifty years ago. Today, Mary continues to be venerated through this painting. It is kept at the main altar in the Church of Mount St. Thomas in Madras, India, the place where St. Thomas was martyred

The Holy, Royal and Stavropygiac Monastery of Kykko has been the holy Ark in which the miraculous icon of the Mother of God, which according to tradition was painted by St. Luke himself, has been preserved.

There are more examples and discussion here: http://pazhayathu.blogspot.ca/2010/10/paintings-by-apostle-luke-rare-portrait.html

Painted by St Luke MD? Tradition does get concise in it's declarations doesn't it. Where's the proof that any of these beliefs that you adhere to are true. Plain and simple there is none.