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In actuality, NO Bible (including the KJV) matches the original text. The idea of the verse is that we should not knowingly teach anything but what Jesus and the Apostles taught.
The hook comes in that "knowingly" part. We honestly do not know if ANYTHING in ANY translation of ANY Bible was influenced by the translators' previous perceptions of what they personally believed. Or, if it wasn't.
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Honestly, I like the New American Bible or the Catholic Edition of the RSV, since they actually have the books Martin Luther chose to remove.
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But the phrase talks about a book/scroll. In fact, it says "this book/scroll" depending on which version of the bible you read.
So, revelation is a book/scroll not a real thing?
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So, which bible is the original one then?
Because the book of revelations in the NIV says "scroll" and the same book in the KJV says "book".
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oi_antz
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Strong's Greek: 975. βιβλίον (biblion) -- a paper, book
"a written document; a sheet on which something has been written,"
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/rev22.pdf
It seems to my understanding that both are equal, in their cultural contexts. What do you think the difference is?
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none. there is no credible evidence that anyone other than The Saints wrote scripture. there is no credible evidence that shows the people who selected the books of the bible had the authority from GOD to do so. the purpose of launching the bible canon obsession was to silence the opposition. this is about to change.
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The Bible isn't a book. The Bible is a library of books. Genesis is a book. Exodus is a book. The Psalms, 1 book. Isaiah, 1 book. Gospel of Matthew, 1 book. Epistle to the Romans, 1 book. The Revelation, 1 book.
You do understand that English-language Bibles are translated from Hebrew and Greek manuscripts right?
The Bible wasn't originally written in English.
No English-language Bible is the original Bible.
Yes, that's the form books took in the ancient world, books were scrolls. Scrolls are books.
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Okay. Cool. So, other books can be modified without the modifer being cursed?
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I am not sure that I want to go there.
But I might have to pick up a copy of the NAB or Catholic RSV to compare with my NIV.
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The bible was scrolls but now the bible is a book, right?
So, how do we interpret the passage from Revelations?
Yes -the OT was written in Hebrew and the NT in Greek.
I know.
So, shouldn't Christians be encouraged to read it in Hebrew and Greek, in the same way that converts to Islam are encourgae to learn Arabic and read the Quran in that language (to better understand the revelations from god that it contains)?
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faroukfarouk
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See Hebrews 11.6 for the sort of faith that I am referring to.
But the whole point of the Bible's text is that the evidence is overwhelmingly there; unlike many ancient texts, there are over 5000 manuscripts for the New Testament. We don't need the 'correct' church on the one hand, or the 'correct' expert on the other, to inform us of the existence of a Bible, which in Providence has come to us.
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Life was never that simple. The words are Spirit, and they are Life. If you don't have that the rest doesn't matter much but there will always be the issue of translation.
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