Wherein I catch a professional YEC in a lie

[DogmaHunter]

It is amusing that whenever the discussion goes to plant life, they only example evos ever use is corn.

How about banana's?

Here's the wild version:

But yet, this is what you can buy at the store:

And it's not the only variation, off course...

 

[Jimmy D]

Then post some of it and shut me up.

I don't want to shut you up, otherwise I'd put you on ignore. Post such as yours only highlight the ignorance and vacuity of the creationist position - which is a score for the "other side" i.e. reason and progress.

If I was not interested this would be a waste of time. I don't continue thinking I will convince the fundy evos. Not everyone in the forum has their idea on this debate set in cement like we do. They need to see the other side of the coin.

Oh, don't worry, we can all see the other side of the coin.....

Amusing. You still think pictures are evidence.

No, the picture is merely an illustration, the evidence is freely available to anyone who can use google and is actually interested in learning.

Get some seeds from each of the varities you pictured, plant them and you will get "after their kind:, not a different variety. What makes you think it will ever change?

Are they all different varieties/kinds? Because we KNOW that they all come from a common ancestor, that's a fact. If you're insisting they're different kinds you're admitting plants can cross the "kind" barrier. Nice one!

Ditto for cabbages, ditto for bananas (see above).

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I don't want to shut you up, otherwise I'd put you on ignore. Post such as yours only highlight the ignorance and vacuity of the creationist position - which is a score for the "other side" i.e. reason and progress.



Oh, don't worry, we can all see the other side of the coin.....



No, the picture is merely an illustration, the evidence is freely available to anyone who can use google and is actually interested in learning.



Are they all different varieties/kinds? Because we KNOW that they all come from a common ancestor, that's a fact. If you're insisting they're different kinds you're admitting plants can cross the "kind" barrier. Nice one!

Ditto for cabbages, ditto for bananas (see above).

That arch atheist Gregor Mendel would be proud

 

[PsychoSarah]

When your post include some verifiable, scientific evidence, I will respond.

This discussion has become a waste of time.

I have posted nothing but verifiable evidence, and I could even walk you through how to perform experiments that verifies it. All you need to do is ask for it. Heck, some of the female only lizard species can be replicated by making the species they are derived from live in close proximity so that they inevitably breed together, so even that is easy to replicate.

Well? Have you any interest in actual experiments?

 

[xianghua]

How about banana's?

Here's the wild version:

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But yet, this is what you can buy at the store:

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And it's not the only variation, off course...

they are basically the same plant. so its not realy evolution.

 

[DogmaHunter]

they are basically the same plant. so its not realy evolution.

Showing your ignorance on the process of evolution again, I see.

 

[PsychoSarah]

they are basically the same plant. so its not realy evolution.

-_- the modern store banana is not the same plant, it's a sterile hybrid of two different wild banana species. You didn't even do a Google search to see if the bananas sold in stores are the same species as the ones in the wild or not.

 

[xianghua]

Showing your ignorance on the process of evolution again, I see.

maybe you refer to your ignorance.

 

[xianghua]

-_- the modern store banana is not the same plant, it's a sterile hybrid of two different wild banana species.

as i said: both are banana.

 

[DogmaHunter]

maybe you refer to your ignorance.

No. I actually realise that evolution is a vertical process where ancestral populations evolve into one or more subspecies.

 

[DogmaHunter]

as i said: both are banana.

And humans and chimps are both primates.
And primates and cats are both mammals.
And mammals and reptiles are both vertebrates
And.......

 

[AV1611VET]

And humans and chimps are both primates.

Are they both sinners?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Are they both sinners?

You tell us. Being a sinner is a christian concept.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Are they both sinners?

I don't subscribe to your notion of "sin". I also think it's an immoral concept.

 

[AV1611VET]

You tell us. Being a sinner is a christian concept.

Fair enough.

I'll make being a primate one too and claim we are not primates.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't subscribe to your notion of "sin".

Fair is fair.

I don't subscribe to your notion that we're animals.

 

[Skreeper]

Fair is fair.

I don't subscribe to your notion that we're animals.

Nobody is forcing you to. Wouldn't want to break that fragile ego now, would we?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Fair enough.

I'll make being a primate one too and claim we are not primates.

The bad news for you is that being a primate is not a concept born of religion. The good news for you is that you may claim any nonsense you like.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Fair is fair.
I don't subscribe to your notion that we're animals.

That's not a notion.
That's a factual conclusion based on what defines the word "animal".

 

[PsychoSarah]

as i said: both are banana.

-_- dude, you contested the store banana evolution in an entirely incorrect fashion. You should have contested it by stating that it's an infertile hybrid of two other banana species, not a derivative of a singular species selected for having fewer seeds over time. It's like comparing a mule to a horse, not a donkey and a horse.

That should have been your issue, because no one in their right mind would argue that a mule is the same thing as a horse.