Where was Jesus for Three Days?

[Denadii]

If I were ignorant I would have said something so juvenile in regard to a Spiritual event.
However "I" said no such thing.



No doubt your after life will be an accurate parallel to your natural life.

In the meantime - no need for you to attempt to put "in your words" another persons beliefs. It is failure on your part.

God Bless,
SBC

I don't mean to offend, but this does seem to be more opinion than Word. I would need to see bible to back this up. Because my 'ever after' will be nowhere like my now. I won't make such horrendous mistakes in heaven as I do now.

 

[Denadii]

His soul was not left in Hell because before Jesus died on the cross, He surrendered His soul into the keeping of God the Father ("Father, into Your hands I commend my Spirit."). Therefore satan never touched the soul of Christ Jesus.

I agree...Jesus was not scattered all over the spiritual universe. He had doing to do after He died and did it. Then He led captivity captive (I like that phase) and took those folks to heaven before He rose from the dead.
Ephesians 4:7-9(CJB)
7 Each one of us, however, has been given grace to be measured by the Messiah’s bounty. 8 This is why it says,

“After he went up into the heights,
he led captivity captive
and he gave gifts to mankind.”

9 Now this phrase, “he went up,” what can it mean if not that he first went down into the lower parts, that is, the earth?

 

[SBC]

Can you show that in the bible please? Where did you get this information?

The DEAD in Believers of the Word of God - before Christ arrived -
1) dead body was buried
2) spirit went to God
3) soul went to comfort side of Hell

Gen 23 (body)
[19] And after this, Abraham buried Sarah his wife in the cave of the field of Machpelah before Mamre: the same is Hebron in the land of Canaan.

Gen 49 (body)
[31] There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife; there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife; and there I buried Leah.

Luke 23 (spirit of believer)
[46] And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Acts 7 (spirit of believer)
[59] And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

Ecc 12 (body to the earth, spirit of believer back to God in Heaven)
[7] Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Luke 16 (body dies, living soul goes to hell, before Jesus' soul goes to hell)
[22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Luke 16 (Abraham bosom ie comforted soul - other side ie tormented soul)
[23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

The Two sides of Hell for souls of believers, and souls of unbelievers.

Luke 26 (comforted souls and tormented souls can not cross to one an others side)
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Body's come from the EARTH, die, and are buried in the earth.
Soul's come from God. They have LIFE from God in the soul.
Once a BODY is brought to LIFE, by the soul.

The natural body STAYS living, as long as the blood keeps flowing.
The natural life of the body, is its blood.

The SOUL belongs to God, and goes to where God sends it, when the body dies.
....Before Jesus -
....Souls went to hell.
....Saved Souls of believers were in Comfort with Abraham the faithful.
....After Jesus -
....Souls of unbelievers still go to Hell, in torment.
....Souls of believers go to God in Heaven, and wait for their new body's.

Spirit of a natural man - is a mans natural truth in his heart.
Spirit of a natural man - dies with his natural body.

A believer however, receives a NEW heart, and a NEW spirit -
That NEW heart - is given the man, BY GOD.
That NEW heart - is thee holy place within a man, where Gods SPIRIT dwells.
That NEW spirit - is born by the Seed of God (who is Christ)
That NEW spirit - NOW has Gods SPIRITUAL TRUTH within it. (who is Jesus' Spirit)
That NEW spirit - can NEVER die, and forever has the Spirit of God within Him.

When that mans body dies - (now - after Jesus )
His body is buried in the dust of the earth.
His restored saved soul goes to heaven, and waits for his new body.
His born again spirit goes to heaven, and is with God, and waits for his new body.

Ecc 12:7
[7] Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

A part of man that IS natural - returns to the natural earth.
A part of man that IS spiritual - goes to where God sends it.

Body's return to the earth.
Souls in man, go to hell (unbeliever) or heaven (believer)
Spiritual spirit in man, go to heaven.
(Natural spirit of man, dies with the natural body)

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SBC]

I don't mean to offend, but this does seem to be more opinion than Word. I would need to see bible to back this up. Because my 'ever after' will be nowhere like my now. I won't make such horrendous mistakes in heaven as I do now.

You were not offensive to me, but rather to yourself.
I speak of earthly natural things, and heavenly spiritual things, which makes the subject a serious matter, not a flippant joke.

Jesus had an answer for that;

John 3
[12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

IF you want to see what the Bible has to say. Read it. And forewarning; Scripture is not written for an elementary student with a need for point by point revealing and understanding.

Because my 'ever after' will be nowhere like my now. I won't make such horrendous mistakes in heaven as I do now.

And WHY do you BELIEVE that?

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Denadii]

The DEAD in Believers of the Word of God - before Christ arrived -
1) dead body was buried
2) spirit went to God
3) soul went to comfort side of Hell

Gen 23 (body)
[19] And after this, Abraham buried Sarah his wife in the cave of the field of Machpelah before Mamre: the same is Hebron in the land of Canaan.

Gen 49 (body)
[31] There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife; there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife; and there I buried Leah.

Luke 23 (spirit of believer)
[46] And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Acts 7 (spirit of believer)
[59] And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

Ecc 12 (body to the earth, spirit of believer back to God in Heaven)
[7] Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Luke 16 (body dies, living soul goes to hell, before Jesus' soul goes to hell)
[22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Luke 16 (Abraham bosom ie comforted soul - other side ie tormented soul)
[23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

The Two sides of Hell for souls of believers, and souls of unbelievers.

Luke 26 (comforted souls and tormented souls can not cross to one an others side)
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Body's come from the EARTH, die, and are buried in the earth.
Soul's come from God. They have LIFE from God in the soul.
Once a BODY is brought to LIFE, by the soul.

The natural body STAYS living, as long as the blood keeps flowing.
The natural life of the body, is its blood.

The SOUL belongs to God, and goes to where God sends it, when the body dies.
....Before Jesus -
....Souls went to hell.
....Saved Souls of believers were in Comfort with Abraham the faithful.
....After Jesus -
....Souls of unbelievers still go to Hell, in torment.
....Souls of believers go to God in Heaven, and wait for their new body's.

Spirit of a natural man - is a mans natural truth in his heart.
Spirit of a natural man - dies with his natural body.

A believer however, receives a NEW heart, and a NEW spirit -
That NEW heart - is given the man, BY GOD.
That NEW heart - is thee holy place within a man, where Gods SPIRIT dwells.
That NEW spirit - is born by the Seed of God (who is Christ)
That NEW spirit - NOW has Gods SPIRITUAL TRUTH within it. (who is Jesus' Spirit)
That NEW spirit - can NEVER die, and forever has the Spirit of God within Him.

When that mans body dies - (now - after Jesus )
His body is buried in the dust of the earth.
His restored saved soul goes to heaven, and waits for his new body.
His born again spirit goes to heaven, and is with God, and waits for his new body.

Ecc 12:7
[7] Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

A part of man that IS natural - returns to the natural earth.
A part of man that IS spiritual - goes to where God sends it.

Body's return to the earth.
Souls in man, go to hell (unbeliever) or heaven (believer)
Spiritual spirit in man, go to heaven.
(Natural spirit of man, dies with the natural body)

God Bless,
SBC

Well, It is surely obvious that you have done a lot of digging into this subject. And I can agree with you.....in part.

 

[SBC]

Well, It is surely obvious that you have done a lot of digging into this subject. And I can agree with you.....in part.

And? What part do you disagree with?

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Denadii]

And? What part do you disagree with?

God Bless,
SBC

The soul is the person. The soul is the mind, the person.. The spirit is simply the soul that has left the body.... Now you want to separate a person, and send parts hither and yon? I can't agree with that.
Your description of hell as a waiting place is accurate, but you do have to remember that Jesus took the saints out of there and led them to heaven where the Father is. Then hell expanded to fit all the lost there.

I agree then, that the body is buried, the spirit, now, goes to the Father. Simple as that.

 

[SBC]

The soul is the person. The soul is the mind, the person.. The spirit is simply the soul that has left the body....

Now you want to separate a person, and send parts hither and yon? I can't agree with that.

Wait - you just called a soul a person - then you say the soul "left" the body -

uh - isn't that a separation you just said, while disagreeing there IS a separation of the body and soul?

Explain your disagreement with yourself - I'll wait.

Your description of hell as a waiting place is accurate, but you do have to remember that Jesus took the saints out of there and led them to heaven where the Father is.

Correct - no saved souls currently occupy hell.

Then hell expanded to fit all the lost there.

I know of no scripture that teaches that. I am pretty confident thee all knowing God did not have to recalculate and redesign hell, but that all was created and prepared from the beginning of creation.

I agree then, that the body is buried, the spirit, now, goes to the Father. Simple as that.

The body is buried - yes
The spirit goes to God - yes

Simple? What about the soul?
Simple? What about a unbelieving man's spirit that is still natural? goes to God? why?
.............It didn't come from God, it came from the dust of the earth.

Not so simple -
body, soul, spirit = three different things = that all have to do with ONE man.

Body from dust. And the soul from God, after the body is formed.
...................... And the spiritual spirit of man comes into the body at another time.

How is it difficult to believe 3 separate things - coming together in one man at different times from different places - can not also separate from that one man and go different places?

1 Thes 5
[23] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Denadii]

Wait - you just called a soul a person - then you say the soul "left" the body -

uh - isn't that a separation you just said, while disagreeing there IS a separation of the body and soul?

Explain your disagreement with yourself - I'll wait.




Correct - no saved souls currently occupy hell.



I know of no scripture that teaches that. I am pretty confident thee all knowing God did not have to recalculate and redesign hell, but that all was created and prepared from the beginning of creation.



The body is buried - yes
The spirit goes to God - yes

Simple? What about the soul?
Simple? What about a unbelieving man's spirit that is still natural? goes to God? why?
.............It didn't come from God, it came from the dust of the earth.

Not so simple -
body, soul, spirit = three different things = that all have to do with ONE man.

Body from dust. And the soul from God, after the body is formed.
...................... And the spiritual spirit of man comes into the body at another time.

How is it difficult to believe 3 separate things - coming together in one man at different times from different places - can not also separate from that one man and go different places?

1 Thes 5
[23] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

God Bless,
SBC

I did not contradict myself, my friend. You misunderstood what you read.

What I said was The soul is the person. The soul is the mind, the person.. The spirit is simply the soul that has left the body



Isaiah 5:13-15 (CJB)
13 For such lack of knowledge
my people go into exile;
this is also why their respected men starve
and their masses are parched from thirst.
14 Therefore Sh’ol has enlarged itself
and opened its limitless jaws —
and down go their nobles and masses,
along with their noise and revels.
15 The masses are lowered, the nobles are humbled —
proud looks will be brought down.

 

[Denadii]

I did not contradict myself, my friend. You misunderstood what you read.

What I said was The soul is the person. The soul is the mind, the person.. The spirit is simply the soul that has left the body



Isaiah 5:13-15 (CJB)
13 For such lack of knowledge
my people go into exile;
this is also why their respected men starve
and their masses are parched from thirst.
14 Therefore Sh’ol has enlarged itself
and opened its limitless jaws —
and down go their nobles and masses,
along with their noise and revels.
15 The masses are lowered, the nobles are humbled —
proud looks will be brought down.

I'm looking more at this. I've decided Strongs is just too vague on the similarities and differences of Soul and Spirit....So I'll only say this....You cannot separate soul and spirit. can you give me scripture that tells me I am wrong?

 

[Apex]

I'll just conclude with what I believe when a believer in Christ dies.

• Your material body dies. It begins to decompose.
• At the moment of physical death, your immaterial self goes down to Sheol.
• In Sheol, we await a bodily resurrection.
• Resurrection happens at different times for different groups.
  
• Our time is when Christ returns for his bride (the church).
• Christians alive (on Earth) and dead (in Sheol) will resurrect into new glorified bodies.

People get hung up on Philippians 1:23. "With Christ" is not about location proximity. Just look at Galatians 2:20 or Romans 6:8. When Christ was crucified, we were "with Christ", not in terms of localization, but in terms of association. Paul in his letter to the Philippians is merely saying that the Christian always remains in fellowship with Christ, even after physical death.

 

[Denadii]

I'll just conclude with what I believe when a believer in Christ dies.

• Your material body dies. It begins to decompose.
• At the moment of physical death, your immaterial self goes down to Sheol.
• In Sheol, we await a bodily resurrection.
• Resurrection happens at different times for different groups.
  
• Our time is when Christ returns for his bride (the church).
• Christians alive (on Earth) and dead (in Sheol) will resurrect into new glorified bodies.

People get hung up on Philippians 1:23. "With Christ" is not about location proximity. Just look at Galatians 2:20 or Romans 6:8. When Christ was crucified, we were "with Christ", not in terms of localization, but in terms of association. Paul in his letter to the Philippians is merely saying that the Christian always remains in fellowship with Christ, even after physical death.

Sheol is no longer for the saved. Where did you get all of this?

 

[SBC]

I did not contradict myself, my friend. You misunderstood what you read.

What I said was The soul is the person. The soul is the mind, the person.. The spirit is simply the soul that has left the body

The soul is a person, the soul is the mind, soul is the spirit
and the soul (which is person, mind, spirit) has left the body?

If the (person, mind, spirit ) which you call the soul has LEFT the body -
Doesn't LEAVING the body -
dictate a separation of the SOUL FROM the body?

And didn't you say -

Now you want to separate a person, and send parts hither and yon? I can't agree with that.

I absolutely did say - separations occur - of the body? no I said not such thing.
I said separations occur - of the soul from the body.
I said separations occur - of the spirit from the body.

I said nothing about those things (soul and spirit) being sent hither and yon.
I said specifically- pertaining to a SAVED and BORN AGAIN man -
the body goes to the grave
the spirit goes to Heaven
the soul goes to Heaven

Review your own words - You have made the "PERSON" something separate from the "BODY".

You have made the "PERSON", the soul.
You have made the "PERSON", the spirit.
You have made the "PERSON", the mind.

A body IS the person - All born and alive body's HAVE received a LIVING SOUL, and are THEN identified as a BODY and Living SOUL.

A body (that is SAVED) - All receive the Seed of God, and become BORN IN the Spirit -
and THEY receive the birth of their New spirit.

Such a man - WILL STILL Bodily physically DIE - and his body goes to the grave.
Such a mans'- Living soul - will go to God, in heaven.
Such a mans' - Born again spirit - will go to God, in heaven.

The Person - is what God formed from dust, is the body, is the mind, is the flesh -
It goes to the grave and returns to dust.

The Persons' living soul - departs a dying body - and goes to God.
The Persons' born again quickened alive spirit - departs a dying body - and goes to God.

While you are on earth, still bodily living -
where YOUR BODY goes -with your living soul, and quickened spirit -
God goes WITH your body, your living soul, your quickened spirit.

But once your body is dead -
the BODY goes (to the grave) - God does not. He is a God of the Living.
your living soul goes - with God where His Spirit goes.
you quickened spirit goes - with God where His Spirit goes.

You have not examined the WHOLE of you - body, soul, spirit -
Thus you have not understood what becomes of the WHOLE of you -
(obvious when you made the "person" not the body, and make the soul the person, and the soul the mind and the soul the spirit - convolution the truth).

God gives souls He has made, life from Him, and imparts that life (living soul) into a Body he has created from dust. That body thus comes into living, and continues living BECAUSE of the life "OF" the body (ie blood), not because of life "IN" the body (ie living soul).

The life OF the body (ie blood) dies.
Life IN the body - ie living soul and ie living spirit departs the dying body and goes to God.

A body of man, is created BY GODS HAND. (and the body is Sanctified)
A living soul of man, is given a man BY GODS BREATH. (and the soul is Restored)
A quickened spirit of man, is given a man BY GODS SEED.(and the spirit is Born Again)


When a man has received ALL 3 of these things he has BEEN MADE WHOLE, and he has received the Spirit of God within him and shall FOREVER Be together with the Lord.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Denadii]

The soul is a person, the soul is the mind, soul is the spirit
and the soul (which is person, mind, spirit) has left the body?

If the (person, mind, spirit ) which you call the soul has LEFT the body -
Doesn't LEAVING the body -
dictate a separation of the SOUL FROM the body?

And didn't you say -




I absolutely did say - separations occur - of the body? no I said not such thing.
I said separations occur - of the soul from the body.
I said separations occur - of the spirit from the body.

I said nothing about those things (soul and spirit) being sent hither and yon.
I said specifically- pertaining to a SAVED and BORN AGAIN man -
the body goes to the grave
the spirit goes to Heaven
the soul goes to Heaven

Review your own words - You have made the "PERSON" something separate from the "BODY".

You have made the "PERSON", the soul.
You have made the "PERSON", the spirit.
You have made the "PERSON", the mind.

A body IS the person - All born and alive body's HAVE received a LIVING SOUL, and are THEN identified as a BODY and Living SOUL.

A body (that is SAVED) - All receive the Seed of God, and become BORN IN the Spirit -
and THEY receive the birth of their New spirit.

Such a man - WILL STILL Bodily physically DIE - and his body goes to the grave.
Such a mans'- Living soul - will go to God, in heaven.
Such a mans' - Born again spirit - will go to God, in heaven.

The Person - is what God formed from dust, is the body, is the mind, is the flesh -
It goes to the grave and returns to dust.

The Persons' living soul - departs a dying body - and goes to God.
The Persons' born again quickened alive spirit - departs a dying body - and goes to God.

While you are on earth, still bodily living -
where YOUR BODY goes -with your living soul, and quickened spirit -
God goes WITH your body, your living soul, your quickened spirit.

But once your body is dead -
the BODY goes (to the grave) - God does not. He is a God of the Living.
your living soul goes - with God where His Spirit goes.
you quickened spirit goes - with God where His Spirit goes.

You have not examined the WHOLE of you - body, soul, spirit -
Thus you have not understood what becomes of the WHOLE of you -
(obvious when you made the "person" not the body, and make the soul the person, and the soul the mind and the soul the spirit - convolution the truth).

God gives souls He has made, life from Him, and imparts that life (living soul) into a Body he has created from dust. That body thus comes into living, and continues living BECAUSE of the life "OF" the body (ie blood), not because of life "IN" the body (ie living soul).

The life OF the body (ie blood) dies.
Life IN the body - ie living soul and ie living spirit departs the dying body and goes to God.

A body of man, is created BY GODS HAND. (and the body is Sanctified)
A living soul of man, is given a man BY GODS BREATH. (and the soul is Restored)
A quickened spirit of man, is given a man BY GODS SEED.(and the spirit is Born Again)


When a man has received ALL 3 of these things he has BEEN MADE WHOLE, and he has received the Spirit of God within him and shall FOREVER Be together with the Lord.

God Bless,
SBC

Oof! Really. I was speaking English. LOL

 

[Denadii]

I'm sorry. This conversation has just grown too convoluted for me to continue in it.

 

[SBC]

I'm looking more at this. I've decided Strongs is just too vague on the similarities and differences of Soul and Spirit....So I'll only say this....You cannot separate soul and spirit. can you give me scripture that tells me I am wrong?

Scripture teaches they are Separate things given you by the SAME ONE HOLY Spirit.

Body. made from the earth BY Gods Hand
Soul given a mans body, BY the Breath of Gods Spirit
Spirit of man, given a rebirth, BY the Seed of Gods Spirit

Mans body, soul, spirit - ALL have the same identity -
Just as the Hand of God, the Breath of God, the Seed of God, is ALL the same identity of Gods Spirit.

When Gods Spirit makes you WHOLE; He specifically makes EACH PART of YOU WHOLE -
your body, your soul, your spirit.

1 Thes 5
[23] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.



God Bless,
SBC

 

[SBC]

Oof! Really. I was speaking English. LOL

Ya, I know. And makes things quite obscure when scripture reveals the converting of a man is specific to his body, his soul, his spirit -

But men talk about people, persons, humans, instead of the body, the soul, the spirit.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SBC]

I'm sorry. This conversation has just grown too convoluted for me to continue in it.

You can claim it convoluted - when it is not - but rather point by point specifics, that with effort can point by point be found in Scripture.

No problem - I am not the one calling the spirit the mind and person.

Gods teaching IS designed to require a diligence for believers and that they search to see if what is said is Scripturally true.
Gods teaching IS designed to give unbelievers a disinterest.

Perhaps you will come to conclude it worth your effort to go point by point and see that is the same what Scripture reveals, and then know for yourself - exactly what the body, soul and spirit is naturally - how it becomes whole spiritually - and what happens to each - when the body's life stops (ie the blood).

Or perhaps not - either way - it has no affect on me.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Apex]

Sheol is no longer for the saved. Where did you get all of this?

The only way out of Sheol is through bodily resurrection.

 

[Denadii]

The only way out of Sheol is through bodily resurrection.

That has nothing to do with Sheol. Jesus took all the believers out of Sheol and took them to be with,in direct proximity, with the Father.

Ephesians 4:7-9 (CJB)
7 Each one of us, however, has been given grace to be measured by the Messiah’s bounty. 8 This is why it says,

“After he went up into the heights,
he led captivity captive
and he gave gifts to mankind.”

9 Now this phrase, “he went up,” what can it mean if not that he first went down into the lower parts, that is, the earth?