Where was Jesus for Three Days?

[agapebondservant]

Before I was married, I went to an Episcopal Church (since childhood). We recited the Apostles' Creed which has a line.... "He descended into hell" after being crucified and buried. My wife (while still dating) accompanied me to my church, but would not recite the Creed because she didn't believe Jesus went to hell. After we were married, we attended a non-denominational church, and also since then, I understand that the Episcopal Church has changed the line to be read....."he descended to the dead". Our non-denominational church never recites the Apostles' Creed.
In Luke 23:43, Jesus said, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.” But according to the Apostles' Creed, Jesus does not ascend into heaven until after he arises on the third day.
By using deductive reasoning, this could mean that "paradise" is not in heaven, and that it is where the dead might be waiting perhaps for Jesus' second coming. Additionally, if relying upon the older version of the Creed, do any Churches believe that "paradise" is in hell? Where was Jesus for the three days he was dead and awaiting the time he would arise?

For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Ecc 9:5 Many other scriptures equate death with sleep. Awaiting the trumpet blast for one of the two resurrections.

 

[pdudgeon]

Seeing this before he spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption
Acts2:31

His soul was not left in Hell because before Jesus died on the cross, He surrendered His soul into the keeping of God the Father ("Father, into Your hands I commend my Spirit."). Therefore satan never touched the soul of Christ Jesus.

 

[Apex]

The good compartment was called Paradise and was relocated to heaven after the Resurrection.

You might want to reread what Paul says.

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17
For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

 

[Northwest Savant]

You might want to reread what Paul says.

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17
For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

dysert said: ↑
The good compartment was called Paradise and was relocated to heaven after the Resurrection.

What dysert stated fits scripture perfectly. Sheol/Hades was not the place of physical bodies. 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, for those like myself that believe in the rapture event, is the event that unites our physical bodies to our spiritual souls that have been with Christ in heaven. You can reread Paul all that you want. It fits with scripture.

 

[SBC]

Before I was married, I went to an Episcopal Church (since childhood). We recited the Apostles' Creed which has a line.... "He descended into hell" after being crucified and buried. My wife (while still dating) accompanied me to my church, but would not recite the Creed because she didn't believe Jesus went to hell. After we were married, we attended a non-denominational church, and also since then, I understand that the Episcopal Church has changed the line to be read....."he descended to the dead". Our non-denominational church never recites the Apostles' Creed.
In Luke 23:43, Jesus said, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.” But according to the Apostles' Creed, Jesus does not ascend into heaven until after he arises on the third day.
By using deductive reasoning, this could mean that "paradise" is not in heaven, and that it is where the dead might be waiting perhaps for Jesus' second coming. Additionally, if relying upon the older version of the Creed, do any Churches believe that "paradise" is in hell? Where was Jesus for the three days he was dead and awaiting the time he would arise?

Jesus' SPIRIT departed his body, and went to God.

Luke 23
[46] And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Jesus' SOUL departed his body, and went the heart of the earth / hell, for 3 days.

Matt 12
[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus' BODY went to the un-used Tomb of a Priest - Joseph of Arimathaea, a Sanhedrin

Matt 27
[57] When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:
[58] He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered.
[59] And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,
[60] And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.


After the 3 day/night; Jesus' Spirit; Jesus' Soul; returned to His body and his body resumed living.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SBC]

I don't think scripture indicates that "paradise" is heaven. Otherwise, before Christ became our Savior, righteous Jews would have been in heaven, rather than "paradise" or Abraham's Bosom.

Paradise is not a single place.
Paradise is always where the Tree of Life is.
The Tree of Life is always where holy living souls are.
Holy living souls, are where the Word of God dwells.

First; Paradise was (on earth) in the Garden of Eden, as was The Tree of Life, Gods Word, and a Holy living soul, called Adam.

(Adam's flesh became corrupt, Adam's indwelling living soul became corrupt, Adam was banished from the Garden).

Secondly; Paradise was (in the earth) in the Comfort side of Hell. as was The Tree of Life, Gods Word, and departed living souls of the faithful in God.

(After Jesus' soul went to hell AND left (returning to his body) ie resurrection;
(Jesus' is first and before all things)

Some of the saints living souls departed hell, returned to their body's, and their body's raised up from their graves, and they walked with Jesus', upon the earth being seen among many.

Matt 27
[52] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
[53] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Thirdly; Paradise "is" (in heaven) with God, as is the Tree of Life, Gods Word, and all departed living souls of the faithful in God.

(departed living souls of the "unfaithful", from the beginning of men's body's dying, also went to hell, on the torment side of hell. That continues to this day, and will continue as long as there are natural born men on this earth, that reject God. Being now, through the end of the 1,000 year reign, being when those living soul's will be imparted back into their body's, (raised from their graves); and their body and soul will stand in judgement before Christ, in hell.)

Fourthly; Paradise "shall be" (on a new restored earth), with God, as is the Tree of Life, Gods Word, and all faithful men "made whole"; ie holy and perfect; ie
(forgiven, new heart, living soul restored (ie saved), quickened spirit (ie born again), Gods Seed in them, Gods Holy Spirit in them, Gods Word in them.)

(What God created and made Very Good, became very corrupt.
However earth was created FOR mankind.
Mankind WHO submits unto God in faithfulness; becomes restored to holy, and his estate (the earth) also becomes restored, for man to forever live with their Lord God Almighty and King of the world, on the earth that was created for them.)

Rev.2 (where the tree of life is; is where the paradise of God is)

1. [7] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Gen.2 (Garden)

1. [9] And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Gen.3 (Garden)

[24] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. (the way of the tree of life is righteousness, is life, is Christ Jesus)

Luke.23 (Hell ~ comfort side)

1. [43] And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

2Cor.12 (Heaven)

[2] I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
[3] And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
[4] How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.


Rev.22 (new earth, Christ's earthly Kingdom)

1. [2] In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

I don't think scripture indicates that "paradise" is heaven. Otherwise, before Christ became our Savior, righteous Jews would have been in heaven, rather than "paradise" or Abraham's Bosom.

Christ is God in the flesh called Jesus. He has always been mankind's Savior. And He has always been the Word of God. OT men did not know Jesus' name, but still "some" OT men believed the "Word of God". (and they are the OT saints). Many NT men had fallen away from "hearing" the Word of God, thus were LOST to knowing the Word of God, Like their forefathers had known and believed the Word of God.
Just as their forefathers had believed the Word of God, without knowing He was called Jesus...
NT men began hearing and believing Jesus, without knowing He was the Christ.
When NT men began realizing Jesus has supreme knowledge of the Word of God...
they KNEW and believed Jesus had come FORTH out from God to earth.
As Jesus' disciples began to trust, believe, without doubting, they all called on Jesus in confessing believe IN Him.
Then were they given, FROM God in Heaven; the understanding that Jesus is the Christ.

Hebrew believers, in the Word of God, became saints.
Jewish believers, in the Word of God, became saints.
Gentile believers, in the Word of God, became saints.
Everyone who believes, in the Word of God, become saints.

Deut; 33
[3] Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.

Pss.37

1. [28] For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.

Pss.97
[10] Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints;

Dan.7

1. [18] But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
   

1Cor.1

1. [2] Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Pretty long post ~ tried to be in depth to cover what it appeared you were asking.
If something particular is not familiar to you, please quote me, and I will be glad to assist in paralleling the scripture.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SBC]

He tells the thief on the cross, 'this day you will be with me in paradise', that doesn't suggest a three day layover. Son of man is a reference to his humanity and truly, his body did lay in the grave for three days. The Scriptures testify to Christ preaching to those in hell but that was across a gulf like the rich man and Lazarus. On the third day the glory of God entered the tomb and his body was raised and he returned to his earthly frame. There is no indication the Son of God was in hell, the proposition is absurd.

Son of man is reference to "His earthly Father", who is Abraham. (faithful servant)
God promised Abraham He would be a Father of many nations (peoples across the world).

Jesus required an earthly lineage connected to the Jews.
Because; King David's earthly established forever throne, requires a Jew to be seated on that throne; Thus Jesus had to be a Jew, to satisfy the law, for Him to take occupancy of the throne in Jerusalem (in the future).

Jesus became a Son of Abraham; BY 'taking upon Himself" the "seed of Abraham".
Not a physical seed, but rather a declaration. However it makes Jesus, a lawful, Son of man, (Abraham) AND descending down Abraham's stock line of faithful descendants, (Isaac, Jacob, and so forth).

Secondly; Abraham was promised LAND. Part of the land promised to Abraham is where the everlasting throne of King David's throne.

The LAND promised Abraham was a promise to Abraham AND ALL of his descendants; WHO also, are faithful to the Word of God.

Thus Jesus; had to be declared; a descendant of Abraham. And thus Jesus took upon Himself, the seed of Abraham.

Heb.2

1. [16] For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Jesus is NOT a human man, born out of the earth, via a human mans seed fertilizing a human woman's egg.

Jesus is the Word of God,
Christ is the Power of God, (1 Cor 1:24)
by whom all "earthly men are created". He has no need to become a HUMAN to understand humanity, which he created. He came to earth in the likeness as a man, so men could SEE Him.

OF God, BY His Word (Jesus)

1Cor.8

1. [6] But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Phil 2
[7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Jesus came forth out from God, to be revealed born out of a JEWISH woman's womb, to fulfill the Law. Prophecy and Jewish mans law, that it must be a Jew who sits on King David's throne, and must be a Jew who is entitled to Abraham's Land.

John.16

1. [27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

I am a Gentile. As a Gentile I have no entitlement to Abraham's Land, because I am not a Jew. However, BECAUSE, I also (as Jesus did), take upon myself the "seed of Abraham", I therefore become a "son/child of Abraham", (in faithfulness to the Word of God), therefore, I also will be entitled to occupy Christ Jesus' Kingdom on earth.

Gal 3
[7] Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Gal 3
[29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Heb.13

1. [8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

The rest of your post; ^5

God Bless,
SBC

 

[mark kennedy]

Son of man is reference to "His earthly Father", who is Abraham. (faithful servant)
God promised Abraham He would be a Father of many nations (peoples across the world).

Jesus required an earthly lineage connected to the Jews.
Because; King David's earthly established forever throne, requires a Jew to be seated on that throne; Thus Jesus had to be a Jew, to satisfy the law, for Him to take occupancy of the throne in Jerusalem (in the future).

Jesus became a Son of Abraham; BY 'taking upon Himself" the "seed of Abraham".
Not a physical seed, but rather a declaration. However it makes Jesus, a lawful, Son of man, (Abraham) AND descending down Abraham's stock line of faithful descendants, (Isaac, Jacob, and so forth).

Secondly; Abraham was promised LAND. Part of the land promised to Abraham is where the everlasting throne of King David's throne.

The LAND promised Abraham was a promise to Abraham AND ALL of his descendants; WHO also, are faithful to the Word of God.

Thus Jesus; had to be declared; a descendant of Abraham. And thus Jesus took upon Himself, the seed of Abraham.

Heb.2

1. [16] For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Jesus is NOT a human man, born out of the earth, via a human mans seed fertilizing a human woman's egg.

Jesus is the Word of God,
Christ is the Power of God, (1 Cor 1:24)
by whom all "earthly men are created". He has no need to become a HUMAN to understand humanity, which he created. He came to earth in the likeness as a man, so men could SEE Him.

OF God, BY His Word (Jesus)

1Cor.8

1. [6] But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Phil 2
[7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Jesus came forth out from God, to be revealed born out of a JEWISH woman's womb, to fulfill the Law. Prophecy and Jewish mans law, that it must be a Jew who sits on King David's throne, and must be a Jew who is entitled to Abraham's Land.

John.16

1. [27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

I am a Gentile. As a Gentile I have no entitlement to Abraham's Land, because I am not a Jew. However, BECAUSE, I also (as Jesus did), take upon myself the "seed of Abraham", I therefore become a "son/child of Abraham", (in faithfulness to the Word of God), therefore, I also will be entitled to occupy Christ Jesus' Kingdom on earth.

Gal 3
[7] Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Gal 3
[29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Heb.13

1. 
   
   
   • [8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

The rest of your post; ^5

God Bless,
SBC

Son of David is a reference to his lineage, as bore out by the genealogies of Matthew and Luke. That's related to Messianic prophecy that the Messiah would be of the House of David, calling him 'Son of David' is a claim to throne of David in Israel. Son of Man is a reference to Jesus being King of Kings and Lord of Lords:

And behold, one like the Son of Man, coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him near before him. Then to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom the one which shall not be destroyed (Daniel 7:13,14).
​

The vision of the Son of Man in Revelations is very similar to the Levitical High Priest. The appearance to John was Christ in his glorified state, he is tending to the seven pronged lamp known as the Menorah that stood in the Holy Place. Prophetically the image indicates our faithful High Priest is caring for the Church:

When I turned to see who was speaking to me, I saw seven gold lampstands. And standing in the middle of the lampstands was someone like the Son of Man. He was wearing a long robe with a gold sash across his chest. His head and his hair were white like wool, as white as snow. And his eyes were like flames of fire. His feet were like polished bronze refined in a furnace, and his voice thundered like mighty ocean waves. He held seven stars in his right hand, and a sharp two-edged sword came from his mouth. And his face was like the sun in all its brilliance. (Rev. 1:12-16)
​

Son of David means heir to the throne in Judea, Son of Man is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. King of Israel, Ruler of the kings of the earth and our faithful High Priest.

Therefore, since we have such a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to what we profess. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who was tempted in every way that we are, yet was without sin. Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need (Hebrews 4:14-16)​

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[SBC]

Son of David is a reference to his lineage, as bore out by the genealogies of Matthew and Luke. That's related to Messianic prophecy that the Messiah would be of the House of David, calling him 'Son of David' is a claim to throne of David in Israel. Son of Man is a reference to Jesus being King of Kings and Lord of Lords:

And behold, one like the Son of Man, coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him near before him. Then to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom the one which shall not be destroyed (Daniel 7:13,14).
​

The vision of the Son of Man in Revelations is very similar to the Levitical High Priest. The appearance to John was Christ in his glorified state, he is tending to the seven pronged lamp known as the Menorah that stood in the Holy Place. Prophetically the image indicates our faithful High Priest is caring for the Church:

When I turned to see who was speaking to me, I saw seven gold lampstands. And standing in the middle of the lampstands was someone like the Son of Man. He was wearing a long robe with a gold sash across his chest. His head and his hair were white like wool, as white as snow. And his eyes were like flames of fire. His feet were like polished bronze refined in a furnace, and his voice thundered like mighty ocean waves. He held seven stars in his right hand, and a sharp two-edged sword came from his mouth. And his face was like the sun in all its brilliance. (Rev. 1:12-16)
​

Son of David means heir to the throne in Judea, Son of Man is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. King of Israel, Ruler of the kings of the earth and our faithful High Priest.

Therefore, since we have such a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to what we profess. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who was tempted in every way that we are, yet was without sin. Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need (Hebrews 4:14-16)​

Grace and peace,
Mark

Nice post Mark.

I see your meaning. Still don't you think, Abraham is the Father of all in faith who are on the earth?

Matt.1

1. [1] The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

(going sailing rest of day) talk later.
God Bless,
SBC

 

[mark kennedy]

Nice post Mark.

I see your meaning. Still don't you think, Abraham is the Father of all in faith who are on the earth?

Matt.1

1. [1] The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

(going sailing rest of day) talk later.
God Bless,
SBC

That's it more or less, Jesus being the Son of David speaks of Jewish lineage.

If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Galatians 3:29)

For the promise that Abraham would be heir of the world was not made to him and his descendants through the Law, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. (Romans 4:13)
​

Paul makes the point that the seed (not seeds) is Christ. I see a literary and prophetic difference between 'Son of Man' and 'seed of Abraham', not a literal one.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[Apex]

dysert said: ↑
The good compartment was called Paradise and was relocated to heaven after the Resurrection.

What dysert stated fits scripture perfectly. Sheol/Hades was not the place of physical bodies. 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, for those like myself that believe in the rapture event, is the event that unites our physical bodies to our spiritual souls that have been with Christ in heaven. You can reread Paul all that you want. It fits with scripture.

1. Where was Jesus before he descended?
2. Where were the dead in Christ?

 

[Fidelibus]

The Teachings of the Catholic Church is the following from the Catechism of the Catholic Church: (CCC)
ARTICLE 5
"HE DESCENDED INTO HELL. ON THE THIRD DAY HE ROSE AGAIN"
631
Jesus "descended into the lower parts of the earth. He who descended is he who also ascended far above all the heavens."476 The Apostles' Creed confesses in the same article Christ's descent into hell and his Resurrection from the dead on the third day, because in his Passover it was precisely out of the depths of death that he made life spring forth:
Christ, that Morning Star, who came back from the dead, and shed his peaceful light on all mankind, your Son who lives and reigns for ever and ever. Amen.477
Paragraph 1. Christ Descended into Hell
632
The frequent New Testament affirmations that Jesus was "raised from the dead" presuppose that the crucified one sojourned in the realm of the dead prior to his resurrection.478 This was the first meaning given in the apostolic preaching to Christ's descent into hell: that Jesus, like all men, experienced death and in his soul joined the others in the realm of the dead. But he descended there as Savior, proclaiming the Good News to the spirits imprisoned there.479

633 Scripture calls the abode of the dead, to which the dead Christ went down, "hell" - Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek - because those who are there are deprived of the vision of God.480 Such is the case for all the dead, whether evil or righteous, while they await the Redeemer: which does not mean that their lot is identical, as Jesus shows through the parable of the poor man Lazarus who was received into "Abraham's bosom":481 "It is precisely these holy souls, who awaited their Savior in Abraham's bosom, whom Christ the Lord delivered when he descended into hell."482 Jesus did not descend into hell to deliver the damned, nor to destroy the hell of damnation, but to free the just who had gone before him.483
634 "The gospel was preached even to the dead."484 The descent into hell brings the Gospel message of salvation to complete fulfilment. This is the last phase of Jesus' messianic mission, a phase which is condensed in time but vast in its real significance: the spread of Christ's redemptive work to all men of all times and all places, for all who are saved have been made sharers in the redemption.
635
Christ went down into the depths of death so that "the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live."485 Jesus, "the Author of life", by dying destroyed "him who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and [delivered] all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage."486 Henceforth the risen Christ holds "the keys of Death and Hades", so that "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth."487
Today a great silence reigns on earth, a great silence and a great stillness. A great silence because the King is asleep. The earth trembled and is still because God has fallen asleep in the flesh and he has raised up all who have slept ever since the world began. . . He has gone to search for Adam, our first father, as for a lost sheep. Greatly desiring to visit those who live in darkness and in the shadow of death, he has gone to free from sorrow Adam in his bonds and Eve, captive with him - He who is both their God and the son of Eve. . . "I am your God, who for your sake have become your son. . . I order you, O sleeper, to awake. I did not create you to be a prisoner in hell. Rise from the dead, for I am the life of the dead."488
IN BRIEF
636
By the expression "He descended into hell", the Apostles' Creed confesses that Jesus did really die and through his death for us conquered death and the devil "who has the power of death" (Heb 2:14).
637
In his human soul united to his divine person, the dead Christ went down to the realm of the dead. He opened heaven's gates for the just who had gone before him.
476 Eph 4:9-10.
477 Roman Missal, Easter Vigil 18, Exsultet.
478 Acts 3:15; Rom 8:11; 1 Cor 15:20; cf. Heb 13:20.
479 Cf. 1 Pet 3:18-19.
480 Cf. Phil 2:10; Acts 2:24; Rev 1:18; Eph 4:9; Pss 6:6; 88:11-13.
481 Cf. Ps 89:49; 1 Sam 28:19; Ezek 32:17-32; Lk 16:22-26.
482 Roman Catechism I, 6, 3.
483 Cf. Council of Rome (745): DS 587; Benedict XII, Cum dudum (1341): DS 1011; Clement VI, Super quibusdam (1351): DS 1077; Council of Toledo IV (625): DS 485; Mt 27:52-53.
484 1 Pet 4:6.
485 Jn 5:25; cf. Mt 12:40; Rom 10:7; Eph 4:9.
486 Heb 2:14-15; cf. Acts 3:15.
487 Rev 1:18; Phil 2:10.
488 Ancient Homily for Holy Saturday: PG 43, 440A, 452C; LH, Holy Saturday, OR.

 

[SBC]

That's it more or less, Jesus being the Son of David speaks of Jewish lineage.

If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Galatians 3:29)

For the promise that Abraham would be heir of the world was not made to him and his descendants through the Law, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. (Romans 4:13)
​

Paul makes the point that the seed (not seeds) is Christ. I see a literary and prophetic difference between 'Son of Man' and 'seed of Abraham', not a literal one.

Grace and peace,
Mark

Paul makes the point that the seed (not seeds) is Christ. I see a literary and prophetic difference between 'Son of Man' and 'seed of Abraham', not a literal one.

Well said. I agree.

 

[Denadii]

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Before I was married, I went to an Episcopal Church (since childhood). We recited the Apostles' Creed which has a line.... "He descended into hell" after being crucified and buried. My wife (while still dating) accompanied me to my church, but would not recite the Creed because she didn't believe Jesus went to hell. After we were married, we attended a non-denominational church, and also since then, I understand that the Episcopal Church has changed the line to be read....."he descended to the dead". Our non-denominational church never recites the Apostles' Creed.
In Luke 23:43, Jesus said, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.” But according to the Apostles' Creed, Jesus does not ascend into heaven until after he arises on the third day.
By using deductive reasoning, this could mean that "paradise" is not in heaven, and that it is where the dead might be waiting perhaps for Jesus' second coming. Additionally, if relying upon the older version of the Creed, do any Churches believe that "paradise" is in hell? Where was Jesus for the three days he was dead and awaiting the time he would arise?

Hell or Sheol is merely the waiting place of the dead. Both Paradise and the hot place were there. Remember the story of Lazarus and the rich man? Jesus went there. He took the keys of hell and death from Satan, totally whipped his a-- and preached deliverance to the saints on the other side, and led the saints out of there, took them to heaven. Then hell expanded to use the space where the saints had been. So...did Jesus go to hell? Yes. Now you know why....He had a job He needed to do.

 

[SBC]

1. Where was Jesus before he descended?

Spirit departed Body and went to Heaven.
Body on the Cross near death, died, then placed in Tomb.
Soul departs body near death, and descended to Hell.

2. Where were the dead in Christ?

Dead bodies in tombs.
Spirit in Heaven.
Souls in comfort side of Hell.

Hell - Divisions:

1) a "temporary" Comfort side; for souls of believers
2) a "temporary" Torment side; for souls of unbelievers
3) an "eternal" Pit
....for;
"spirits" of fallen angels, that never die, still with life.
"body's" departed of life, (ie the soul) that rejected God, buried in a tomb.
"souls" still with life, that rejected God, and thus are separated from God.

What these divisions are called; depends on which language describes these three divisions. Sometimes the same language is used, sometimes not. Sometimes a single word is used to describe the WHOLE of Hell, such as the world "hell", and the context being spoken notifies the reader, what PART of Hell is being referenced.

Before Jesus arrived on earth -
IF a man's body was DEAD, his soul went to "Hell".
IF the man was a believer in God - his soul went to the Comfort Side of Hell ( regardless of what name it was called in any particular language. )

The "temporary" Comfort side; Abraham's Bosom, Hades, Sheol, grave in the center of the earth....

IF a man's body had died, who was not a believer, his soul went to the Torment side of Hell.

The "temporary" Torment side; Gehenna, Gehinnom, Tartarus, Valley of Hinnom...

Jesus arrives on earth - His body dies, buried in an earthen grave.
Jesus' Spirit goes to Heaven.
Jesus' Soul goes to Hell - for 3 days/nights - center of the earth.
End of 3 days/nights - Jesus' soul leaves Hell, returns to His body, Jesus' Spirit returns to his body.

A body without a soul, can not be an alive body.
A body with a soul, is an alive body.
A soul that departed its body, is a dead body.
A soul that returns to its body, is a body that comes back into living.

A body without Gods Spirit within it, does not have the Power of God within it.
Christ IS the fullness of Gods Spirit, ie Gods Power, is Christ IS Gods Power.

Since Jesus' soul went to hell AND left hell - the "temporary" effect for mankind that are believers is ended. Jesus fulfilled being the FIRST soul to LEAVE Hell - now - ALL men whose body's die, who are believers, their soul departs their dying body, and their soul goes directly to Heaven. Also all believers "born again" spirit, goes to Heaven.

In Heaven, souls and spirits of believers, WAIT, in comfort, praising God, until the Day Jesus' body descends from Heaven; ie 2nd coming; to give ALL believing souls, born again spirit....their NEW Body.

The unbelievers, souls, continue to go to Torment in Hell, when their body's die. They remain there WAITING, until Judgement Day.

The DEAD in Believers of the Word of God - before Christ arrived -
1) dead body was buried
2) spirit went to God
3) soul went to comfort side of Hell

The DEAD in Believers of the Word of God (now we know his Name - Christ Lord Jesus).
1) dead body's are buried
2) spirit goes to God (now we know that is call one who has a born again spirit)
3) soul goes to Heaven (now we know that is called one who has a saved soul)

Today the dead IN Christ are:
1) a man whose body is physically dead, (blood flow stopped, body buried) but was,
....by his faith, "crucified" with Christ, soul saved and born again spirit.
2) a man whose body is physically living, (body functioning by its blood) and is,
.....by his faith, "crucified with Christ, soul saved, and born again spirit.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Apex]

Spirit departed Body and went to Heaven.
Body on the Cross near death, died, then placed in Tomb.
Soul departs body near death, and descended to Hell.



Dead bodies in tombs.
Spirit in Heaven.
Souls in comfort side of Hell.

Hell - Divisions:

1) a "temporary" Comfort side; for souls of believers
2) a "temporary" Torment side; for souls of unbelievers
3) an "eternal" Pit
....for;
"spirits" of fallen angels, that never die, still with life.
"body's" departed of life, (ie the soul) that rejected God, buried in a tomb.
"souls" still with life, that rejected God, and thus are separated from God.

What these divisions are called; depends on which language describes these three divisions. Sometimes the same language is used, sometimes not. Sometimes a single word is used to describe the WHOLE of Hell, such as the world "hell", and the context being spoken notifies the reader, what PART of Hell is being referenced.

Before Jesus arrived on earth -
IF a man's body was DEAD, his soul went to "Hell".
IF the man was a believer in God - his soul went to the Comfort Side of Hell ( regardless of what name it was called in any particular language. )

The "temporary" Comfort side; Abraham's Bosom, Hades, Sheol, grave in the center of the earth....

IF a man's body had died, who was not a believer, his soul went to the Torment side of Hell.

The "temporary" Torment side; Gehenna, Gehinnom, Tartarus, Valley of Hinnom...

Jesus arrives on earth - His body dies, buried in an earthen grave.
Jesus' Spirit goes to Heaven.
Jesus' Soul goes to Hell - for 3 days/nights - center of the earth.
End of 3 days/nights - Jesus' soul leaves Hell, returns to His body, Jesus' Spirit returns to his body.

A body without a soul, can not be an alive body.
A body with a soul, is an alive body.
A soul that departed its body, is a dead body.
A soul that returns to its body, is a body that comes back into living.

A body without Gods Spirit within it, does not have the Power of God within it.
Christ IS the fullness of Gods Spirit, ie Gods Power, is Christ IS Gods Power.

Since Jesus' soul went to hell AND left hell - the "temporary" effect for mankind that are believers is ended. Jesus fulfilled being the FIRST soul to LEAVE Hell - now - ALL men whose body's die, who are believers, their soul departs their dying body, and their soul goes directly to Heaven. Also all believers "born again" spirit, goes to Heaven.

In Heaven, souls and spirits of believers, WAIT, in comfort, praising God, until the Day Jesus' body descends from Heaven; ie 2nd coming; to give ALL believing souls, born again spirit....their NEW Body.

The unbelievers, souls, continue to go to Torment in Hell, when their body's die. They remain there WAITING, until Judgement Day.

The DEAD in Believers of the Word of God - before Christ arrived -
1) dead body was buried
2) spirit went to God
3) soul went to comfort side of Hell

The DEAD in Believers of the Word of God (now we know his Name - Christ Lord Jesus).
1) dead body's are buried
2) spirit goes to God (now we know that is call one who has a born again spirit)
3) soul goes to Heaven (now we know that is called one who has a saved soul)

Today the dead IN Christ are:
1) a man whose body is physically dead, (blood flow stopped, body buried) but was,
....by his faith, "crucified" with Christ, soul saved and born again spirit.
2) a man whose body is physically living, (body functioning by its blood) and is,
.....by his faith, "crucified with Christ, soul saved, and born again spirit.

God Bless,
SBC

I'm confused. This is all very convoluted. Does this mean before the cross, you believe that both spirit and soul went to Hades?

 

[Denadii]

Spirit departed Body and went to Heaven.
Body on the Cross near death, died, then placed in Tomb.
Soul departs body near death, and descended to Hell.



Dead bodies in tombs.
Spirit in Heaven.
Souls in comfort side of Hell.

Hell - Divisions:

1) a "temporary" Comfort side; for souls of believers
2) a "temporary" Torment side; for souls of unbelievers
3) an "eternal" Pit
....for;
"spirits" of fallen angels, that never die, still with life.
"body's" departed of life, (ie the soul) that rejected God, buried in a tomb.
"souls" still with life, that rejected God, and thus are separated from God.

What these divisions are called; depends on which language describes these three divisions. Sometimes the same language is used, sometimes not. Sometimes a single word is used to describe the WHOLE of Hell, such as the world "hell", and the context being spoken notifies the reader, what PART of Hell is being referenced.

Before Jesus arrived on earth -
IF a man's body was DEAD, his soul went to "Hell".
IF the man was a believer in God - his soul went to the Comfort Side of Hell ( regardless of what name it was called in any particular language. )

The "temporary" Comfort side; Abraham's Bosom, Hades, Sheol, grave in the center of the earth....

IF a man's body had died, who was not a believer, his soul went to the Torment side of Hell.

The "temporary" Torment side; Gehenna, Gehinnom, Tartarus, Valley of Hinnom...

Jesus arrives on earth - His body dies, buried in an earthen grave.
Jesus' Spirit goes to Heaven.
Jesus' Soul goes to Hell - for 3 days/nights - center of the earth.
End of 3 days/nights - Jesus' soul leaves Hell, returns to His body, Jesus' Spirit returns to his body.

A body without a soul, can not be an alive body.
A body with a soul, is an alive body.
A soul that departed its body, is a dead body.
A soul that returns to its body, is a body that comes back into living.

A body without Gods Spirit within it, does not have the Power of God within it.
Christ IS the fullness of Gods Spirit, ie Gods Power, is Christ IS Gods Power.

Since Jesus' soul went to hell AND left hell - the "temporary" effect for mankind that are believers is ended. Jesus fulfilled being the FIRST soul to LEAVE Hell - now - ALL men whose body's die, who are believers, their soul departs their dying body, and their soul goes directly to Heaven. Also all believers "born again" spirit, goes to Heaven.

In Heaven, souls and spirits of believers, WAIT, in comfort, praising God, until the Day Jesus' body descends from Heaven; ie 2nd coming; to give ALL believing souls, born again spirit....their NEW Body.

The unbelievers, souls, continue to go to Torment in Hell, when their body's die. They remain there WAITING, until Judgement Day.

The DEAD in Believers of the Word of God - before Christ arrived -
1) dead body was buried
2) spirit went to God
3) soul went to comfort side of Hell

The DEAD in Believers of the Word of God (now we know his Name - Christ Lord Jesus).
1) dead body's are buried
2) spirit goes to God (now we know that is call one who has a born again spirit)
3) soul goes to Heaven (now we know that is called one who has a saved soul)

Today the dead IN Christ are:
1) a man whose body is physically dead, (blood flow stopped, body buried) but was,
....by his faith, "crucified" with Christ, soul saved and born again spirit.
2) a man whose body is physically living, (body functioning by its blood) and is,
.....by his faith, "crucified with Christ, soul saved, and born again spirit.

God Bless,
SBC

So, you're saying that when a person dies, he flies apart and goes in all directions? Kind of like a firecracker. Sounds like fun. When I die, I plan on making a big mess! LOL

 

[SBC]

I'm confused. This is all very convoluted. Does this mean before the cross, you believe that both spirit and soul went to Hades?

No it is not convoluted. It is precise. But you must know it is confusing BECAUSE;
it is speaking of Natural things, Spiritual things, and the transformation of Natural things to Spiritual things ; and speaking of Spiritual PlaceS and Natural Places.

In a nutshell IF you know;
Heaven is a Spiritual place,
the center of the earth is a Spiritual place,
earth is a Natural Place.
Spirits are spiritual kinds of things.
Humans are a natural kind of thing.
Souls are spiritual things.

And the big picture is for mankind to TRANSFORM from a NATURAL KIND of thing
to SPIRITUAL KIND of thing.

And that TRANSFORMATION begins with the unseen soul of a man and spirit of a man, and later will be complete with a mans TRANSFORMED body.

IF you can comprehend this, reading what I wrote should allow you to know, which kind of thing is doing what, and where.

Does this mean before the cross, you believe that both spirit and soul went to Hades?

I did not say that. I am not Greek, or Hebrew, or Jewish. I use the English understanding of the Comfort side of Hell, as I told you, is also called Abraham's Bosom.

I said;

The DEAD in Believers of the Word of God - before Christ arrived -
1) dead body was buried
2) spirit went to God
3) soul went to comfort side of Hell

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SBC]

So, you're saying that when a person dies, he flies apart and goes in all directions? Kind of like a firecracker. Sounds like fun. When I die, I plan on making a big mess! LOL

If I were ignorant I would have said something so juvenile in regard to a Spiritual event.
However "I" said no such thing.

When I die, I plan on making a big mess! LOL

No doubt your after life will be an accurate parallel to your natural life.

In the meantime - no need for you to attempt to put "in your words" another persons beliefs. It is failure on your part.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Denadii]

No it is not convoluted. It is precise. But you must know it is confusing BECAUSE;
it is speaking of Natural things, Spiritual things, and the transformation of Natural things to Spiritual things ; and speaking of Spiritual PlaceS and Natural Places.

In a nutshell IF you know;
Heaven is a Spiritual place,
the center of the earth is a Spiritual place,
earth is a Natural Place.
Spirits are spiritual kinds of things.
Humans are a natural kind of thing.
Souls are spiritual things.

And the big picture is for mankind to TRANSFORM from a NATURAL KIND of thing
to SPIRITUAL KIND of thing.

And that TRANSFORMATION begins with the unseen soul of a man and spirit of a man, and later will be complete with a mans TRANSFORMED body.

IF you can comprehend this, reading what I wrote should allow you to know, which kind of thing is doing what, and where.



I did not say that. I am not Greek, or Hebrew, or Jewish. I use the English understanding of the Comfort side of Hell, as I told you, is also called Abraham's Bosom.

I said;

The DEAD in Believers of the Word of God - before Christ arrived -
1) dead body was buried
2) spirit went to God
3) soul went to comfort side of Hell

God Bless,
SBC

Can you show that in the bible please? Where did you get this information?