Where is the record of God creating Homosexuals in the Creation Account?

[Texas Lynn]

In this regard I am a Federalist.

I liked your guys' The Federalist Papers. Not as good as Pickwick Papers but petty good for us policy wonks.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Spotted bass (variart of large mouth)

here is a striped bass

What does it sing?

 

[stumpjumper]

Nice lake.^

Off to beat my wife at Guitar Hero. Be good.

 

[drstevej]

The Adam and Eve legend is simply that; a metaphorical story about obedeience to God. There was no more a real, single Adam and Eve than Andy Griffith was really a sheriff is a small Appalacian town.

Paul did not share your view. Guess he didn't get to watch TV.

Most Christians know and accept this. The concept otherwise is a recent concoction of religious fundamentalism only accepted by a minority of Christians in the last 150 years.

Documentation ???

 

[drstevej]

Think about it: God made people, gays are people God made gay people.
tulc(we can always use the help!)

Think about it: God made people, nose pickers are people God made people who choose to pick their nose.

 

[Joykins]

Thanks for the reprieve.



Yep you do not have to be a parent to be a human. And humans are the product of the Creator's design. Cool beans.



I said I was a Federalist regarding the transmission of the taint of sin to Adam's posterity. You are describing a realist view which is different from the federalist view.

Three views:

Pelagian View People incur death when they sin after Adam's example. Sin affected Adam alone. No one affected by Adam's sin.

Federal (Representative) View Sin is imputed to humanity because of Adam's sin. Adam alone sinned but human race affected because he is their representative. Depravity is total; sin and guilt are imputed.

Augustinian (Realist) View Sin is imputed to humanity because of Adam's sin. Humanity sinned in Adam (they were in Adam's loins"). Depravity is total; sin and guilt are imputed.

"in Adam's loins"? Medically speaking, weren't they really in Eve's eggs?

I think my view is the

Joykins's view: People incur death when they sin after Adam's example. By letting sin into the world, Adam loosed a pathogen into our spiritual and physical environment which will infect all and which will affect all with guilt who are capable of the knowledge of good and evil.

At any rate, to bring this somewhat back to topic, if a person is totally depraved, is the "flaw" of same-sex desire any worse than any other "sin"?

(I put it in quotes because I do not believe it is a sin to BE gay)

 

[FaithLikeARock]

Why doesn't the creation story record the creation of physical race? (Babel doesn't count - invention of language isn't the same).

 

[drstevej]

is the "flaw" of same-sex desire any worse than any other "sin"

No worse than hetero-sexual lust outside the covenant of marriage.

 

[Joykins]

No worse than hetero-sexual lust outside the covenant of marriage.

Why "lust"?

We call it something else when young heterosexual people who fall in love with honorable intentions -- but no matter what the homosexual relationship is, it can seemingly only be characterized as "lust"? Why is this?

 

[Joykins]

Why doesn't the creation story record the creation of physical race? (Babel doesn't count - invention of language isn't the same).

There are the stories of tribes. Race is just an adaption to environmental conditions.

 

[drstevej]

Why "lust"?

We call it something else when young heterosexual people who fall in love with honorable intentions -- but no matter what the homosexual relationship is, it can seemingly only be characterized as "lust"? Why is this?

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

One is natural the other unnatural.

 

[Joykins]

One is natural the other unnatural.

But if it is lust, both are lust. That passage is *specifically* about lust.

If it is true love, both are true love.

 

[drstevej]

Define true love.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Paul did not share your view. Guess he didn't get to watch TV.

Paul used Adam as a metaphor.

Documentation ???

Anything not approved by fundamentalism. Thought being among those things...

 

[Texas Lynn]

Think about it: God made people, nose pickers are people God made people who choose to pick their nose.

God made minds and he made people who choose to use their minds.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Why "lust"?

We call it something else when young heterosexual people who fall in love with honorable intentions -- but no matter what the homosexual relationship is, it can seemingly only be characterized as "lust"? Why is this?

Disinformation.

 

[Floatingaxe]

The Adam and Eve legend is simply that; a metaphorical story about obedeience to God. There was no more a real, single Adam and Eve than Andy Griffith was really a sheriff is a small Appalacian town.

Most Christians know and accept this. The concept otherwise is a recent concoction of religious fundamentalism only accepted by a minority of Christians in the last 150 years.

The concept Adam and Eve's eating the fruit was the creation of sin in the universe is as valid as the idea Frankenstein can't be killed, that Batman became the Batman because he was inspired because he saw a bat fly by, or that Bugs Bunny is a real rabbit who tricks hunters with propensities to articulation errors.

Oh really...

 

[Texas Lynn]

One is natural the other unnatural.

Concepts of human behavior as 'natural' and 'unnatural' are solely matters of social constructs. If humans do it, it's natural. characterization of some as 'unnatural' is merely a meaningless epithet.

 

[drstevej]

Paul used Adam as a metaphor.

"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned"

If this is metaphor the argument is meaningless.

Anything not approved by fundamentalism. Thought being among those things...

Cheap shot. Where is the documentation for your assertion?

 

[Texas Lynn]

Oh really...

Translation: Floating Axe has no argument.