Where is the record of God creating Homosexuals in the Creation Account?

[CaDan]

God created everything in the world including adam and eve without sin.

WE brought sin into the world.

Where did we get it?

 

[Angel4Truth]

...uhmm then why do you keep arguing homosexuality is a person? That is the very argument CaDan, I and everyone you have been arguing against have been making since the first page. Think about it: God made people, gays are people God made gay people.
tulc(we can always use the help!)

I havent once argued that homosexuality is what makes a person a person ever once.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Where did we get it?

We did it - we didnt get it - we acted on temptation whispered to us - but you know God promises us a way out - we dont have to act on any temptation.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

On the contrary. The OP which consists mostly of Scripture is
very CLEAR. What is a mess is the sinful, reprobate minds of man.

Yes, we all know that CaDan is the judge of all things....not.
Quit harassing people. If you can't lend anything useful to the
conversation then the solution is for you to refrain from participating at all.

He is bringing more light than heat to the topic...which is more than can be said of your arguments.

 

[CaDan]

We did it - we didnt get it - we acted on temptation whispered to us - but you know God promises us a way out - we dont have to act on any temptation.

The verb you originally used was "brought". That implies that sin was in one place and then was transported to another. Perhaps the verb was a poor choice.

I don't know the details. I wasn't there at the time.

 

[drstevej]

Well, if God created people (CITE: GENESIS 1) and gay people are people then God created gay people

If God did not create sin and gay people are sin, then God didn't create gay people.

Obviously it is the redefining people as "sin" that leaves me puking.

God created live people male and female. There were no "gay people" before the fall and entrance of sin into the world.

 

[Texas Lynn]

The Adam and Eve legend is simply that; a metaphorical story about obedeience to God. There was no more a real, single Adam and Eve than Andy Griffith was really a sheriff is a small Appalacian town.

Most Christians know and accept this. The concept otherwise is a recent concoction of religious fundamentalism only accepted by a minority of Christians in the last 150 years.

The concept Adam and Eve's eating the fruit was the creation of sin in the universe is as valid as the idea Frankenstein can't be killed, that Batman became the Batman because he was inspired because he saw a bat fly by, or that Bugs Bunny is a real rabbit who tricks hunters with propensities to articulation errors.

 

[CaDan]

Nice bass.

 

[Joykins]

One more time - creation was created without sin. This thread is about the creation account. Only adam and eve were created in the creation account and neither of them were gay and Gods intention for mankind is shown by their creation.

Murderers- liars - rapists- etc.. have been born since then too but they werent created in Genesis by God in the creation account. Those are things the people born to adam and eve and their offspring - became because of sin.

Again keep acting like no one gets it - its not because they dont get it - its because to admit they get it would be to admit that God is not the author of sin and then that means one needs be repentant of their own sin. (which is the ideal and the point)

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Were people (as a species) made by God?

 

[Joykins]

God created live people male and female. There were no "gay people" before the fall and entrance of sin into the world.

Ohhh, you're the subtle buzzing clipmeister, aren't you

There were no "fat people" or "desperate housewives" or "lazy internet addicts" or "warped frustrated old men" or even "children" before the fall yet that is all we have now on earth; did God create us flawed or young as we are or not?

 

[drstevej]

Ohhh, you're the subtle buzzing clipmeister, aren't you

There were no "fat people" or "desperate housewives" or "lazy internet addicts" or "warped frustrated old men" or even "children" before the fall yet that is all we have now on earth; did God create us flawed or young as we are or not?

The Fall of Adam, FTL

Clippy says hi to IIDB

 

[Joykins]

OK, Rep Daddy, I am serious here, according to your theology:

Are people NOW ALIVE created by God or not?

Thanks,

Joy

 

[drstevej]

OK, Rep Daddy, I am serious here, according to your theology:

Are people NOW ALIVE created by God or not?

Thanks,

Joy

I am a Traducianist. I believe God created Adam and Eve with the ability to procreate. Therefore, I am created by God who is the originator of mankind.

Adam and Eve were created directly by God (mud and rib respectively) and all the descendants of A&E are the product of God's reproductive design.

I also believe that all are guilty of Adam's sin by virtue of the fact that Adam was the representative for the human race. In this regard I am a Federalist.

Theological enuf fer ya?

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RD


RD likes to use Buzz-words

 

[Joykins]

I am a Traducianist. I believe God created Adam and Eve with the ability to procreate. Therefore, I am created by God who is the originator of mankind.

Adam and Eve were created directly by God (mud and rib respectively) and all the descendants of A&E are the product of God's reproductive design.

I also believe that all are guilty of Adam's sin by virtue of the fact that Adam was the representative for the human race. In this regard I am a Federalist.

Theological enuf fer ya?

User generated content from your cyber friend,
RD


RD likes to use Buzz-words

Thanks. This thread is providing me with some useful distraction from the tedium of -- well, you don't want to know what I am tying up my CPU and memory with as it is so horribly boring involving numbers only a librarian could love.

So, theologically speaking, those who are the product of God's reproductive design are created even if they do not participate in God's reproductive design?

And Adam, despite being created good and in the image of God, became nevertheless a sinner, a created sinner, and imparted his sin to all his descendants through the same good and God-created reproductive design, a congenital syphilis of the soul so to speak?

 

[stumpjumper]

Karl Barth did a number on Federal Theology in his Doctrine of Reconciliation.

~ back into the lurk ~

 

[Sitswithamouse]

If we are to take the Genesis story literally...mmmm okay.
God created evil, because he created the tree of knowledge. If he created the tree of knowledge, he created all the sin that followed Adam and Eve when they ate the fruit.

He knew what would happen if they ate it, he shouldn't have put it there, yet why are Adam and Eve blamed???
They wouldn't have been tempted if it wasn't there to begin with.

Therefore in that "apple" was all the badness that you are arguing over.

God created Badness.
*slaps forehead*


what is so hard to see that connundrum??

 

[drstevej]

Thanks. This thread is providing me with some useful distraction from the tedium of -- well, you don't want to know what I am tying up my CPU and memory with as it is so horribly boring involving numbers only a librarian could love.

Thanks for the reprieve.

So, theologically speaking, those who are the product of God's reproductive design are created even if they do not participate in God's reproductive design?

Yep you do not have to be a parent to be a human. And humans are the product of the Creator's design. Cool beans.

And Adam, despite being created good and in the image of God, became nevertheless a sinner, a created sinner, and imparted his sin to all his descendants through the same good and God-created reproductive design, a congenital syphilis of the soul so to speak?

I said I was a Federalist regarding the transmission of the taint of sin to Adam's posterity. You are describing a realist view which is different from the federalist view.

Three views:

Pelagian View People incur death when they sin after Adam's example. Sin affected Adam alone. No one affected by Adam's sin.

Federal (Representative) View Sin is imputed to humanity because of Adam's sin. Adam alone sinned but human race affected because he is their representative. Depravity is total; sin and guilt are imputed.

Augustinian (Realist) View Sin is imputed to humanity because of Adam's sin. Humanity sinned in Adam (they were in Adam's loins"). Depravity is total; sin and guilt are imputed.

 

[drstevej]

Karl Barth did a number on Federal Theology in his Doctrine of Reconciliation.

~ back into the lurk ~

I prefer Paul

 

[stumpjumper]

[derail]
Barth liked Paul too

I'm making my way through his commentary on Romans, now. Interesting reading it 'tis.

Nice fish, btw...

Striped bass?
[/derail]

 

[drstevej]

Spotted bass (variart of large mouth)

here is a striped bass