Where is the record of God creating Homosexuals in the Creation Account?

[Crazy Liz]

Its also ridiculous to argue that God "created" homosexuality when the act of homosexual sex is sin.

The OP does not ask whether God created homosexuality, but whether God created homosexuals.

I think it is your post that is off-topic, not the ones you are criticizing.

 

[CaDan]

It still moves.

 

[tulc]

The answer to the OP is that no - God didnt create mankind to be sinners so then no He did not create a man to be gay or a woman to be a lesbian - we took that upon ourselves and make the choice to be free from sin or continue to choose our own way instead of His.

Uhmmm aren't we all sinners? Does that mean only Christians should be considered "people"
tulc(still waiting to hear from IaR)

 

[tulc]

The OP does not ask whether God created homosexuality, but whether God created homosexuals.

QFT!
tulc(getting another cup of coffee!)

 

[Angel4Truth]

Tulc i said in my post we choose sin. Read it all. Liz also read the entire post instead of clipping from it thanks.

 

[Angel4Truth]

The OP does not ask whether God created homosexuality, but whether God created homosexuals.

I think it is your post that is off-topic, not the ones you are criticizing.

I answered the question - read the post again. I said God created people we choose to sin. so unless your asserting that that those who choose homosexuality as a lifestyle isnt a person then yes again the question was answered.

 

[tulc]

I answered the question - read the post again. I said God created people we choose to sin. so unless your asserting that that those who choose homosexuality as a lifestyle isnt a person then yes again the question was answered.

actually that's the same point we've been making since the first page
tulc(just thought you'd like to know)

 

[IamRedeemed]

I am amazed at some of the attempts to get this thread derailed with off topic nonsense .. I am totally amazed that some staff are aiding it. I am also amazed at the suggestion that this thread deals with gnosticism because the op asks where God created homosexuals when nothing suggests any such thing unless one has taken the stance that homosexuality is perfectly acceptable before God and that homosexual sex is not sin.

The genesis account is evident that woman was created to be both a helper and companion to man as well as the way to further the human race. It also makes it evident that design purpose was that man and woman fill the earth with offspring.

Its ridiculous to argue that this isnt the case because of sterility existing. Does the purpose of the human leg change because one loses one or is born without one? No.

Design and purpose remains the same reguardless of accident- disease- deformity.

Its also ridiculous to argue that God "created" homosexuality when the act of homosexual sex is sin. God is not the author of sin and to say so isnt gnosticism by any means. To say that God created one for the purpose to sin makes God the author of sin. So one needs to ask if they are wrong or He is. God is light and there is no darkness found in Him - God is also not a man that He should lie. We are who do those things in our flesh to appease our flesh.

The answer to the OP is that no - God didnt create mankind to be sinners so then no He did not create a man to be gay or a woman to be a lesbian - we took that upon ourselves and make the choice to be free from sin or continue to choose our own way instead of His.

There is no sin He wont give us a way out of (temptation) when we seek Him and continue to trust Him to strengthen us and help us be clean through Christ. We all struggle and we all have certain sins we are more geared toward (that appeal to our flesh) but those temptations do not the person make. We choose to heed them or lay them at the cross.

God doesnt create sin. He creates people- We choose sin ourselves. He created us perfect - we chose to fall into sin by heeding temptation instead of trusting Him. We continue to choose each day to cary our cross or feed into our flesh.

God created man and woman to be partners and mulitply to fill the earth. A man and man together sexually cannot do that neither can a woman and a woman- its against creation and what was intended clearly outlined in the creation account and then later called sin accoring to the law which is given for the knowledge of sin - that which declares us all guilty and in need of a Savior before a Holy and Just God.

 

[tulc]

I'm curious why this post gets an amen and all the other people who said the same thing (without the "gay is wrong" part) you disagreed with? Angel4Truth said god created homosexuals (people) but not their "sin" we said the exact same thing (with some differences) and we're accused of trying to derail the thread.
tulc(really doesn't understand)

 

[Angel4Truth]

Tulc where did i accuse a certain person(s) of trying to derail the thread - i didnt mention you at all nor was i refering to you. Those doing it know who they are and know what they are trying to do - so unless you believe you have tried to derail the thread then my post wasnt speaking of you - and anyone can read this thread and see who and where the thread has been attempted to be hijacked and derailed and where people were spending their time flaming the OP person instead of answering the content of the op post.

 

[Crazy Liz]

I answered the question - read the post again. I said God created people we choose to sin. so unless your asserting that that those who choose homosexuality as a lifestyle isnt a person then yes again the question was answered.

OK. You gave the same answer as the rest of us.

 

[Crazy Liz]

Tulc where did i accuse a certain person(s) of trying to derail the thread - i didnt mention you at all nor was i refering to you. Those doing it know who they are and know what they are trying to do - so unless you believe you have tried to derail the thread then my post wasnt speaking of you - and anyone can read this thread and see who and where the thread has been attempted to be hijacked and derailed and where people were spending their time flaming the OP person instead of answering the content of the op post.

You didn't, but IAR (the OP) did.

 

[IamRedeemed]

I know you are desperately trying to accuse me of gnosticism, but you know
very well, that I am not saying that people who participate in homosexuality are some
other form of human created by some other entity, so your efforts shall be fruitless.

I thought that throughout the thread I made it clear to you that you are WAY OFF BASE,
in those ludicrous accusations.

I asked in the OP where is the record of God creating homosexuals in the Genesis account?
We see no record of anyone being created in Genesis who is indentified by their
lifestyles of sin, do we? NO. So, the answer is, it ISN'T there.

What do we see though?

I guess I will have to repeat:

What we see is that God neither created homosexual or
heterosexual or any other sexual.

He created a human MALE and He created from the man's rib
a help meet for Him a human FEMALE, who was just like Him EXCEPT
for her internal and external sex organs, which God made to be a complimentary
MATCH, so the two could become ONE FLESH and by doing so would enable them
to be fruitful and multiply.

God created and put MALE AND FEMALE together.
His intent and purpose IS CLEAR.
Our anatomy testifies to it, to this day.

Any deviation of the action of God to place Male and Female
together is NOT of God.

End of story.

See angel4truth's post #167 for some additional illustrations.

Again, I would say that your argument goes against the Nicene Creed and Scripture.

From the Creed:

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible.

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From Scripture:

The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Colossians, Chapter 1, Verses 16-17
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

​

Your argument is neither scriptural nor orthodox and has no place within the theology section of CF.

 

[stumpjumper]

1.) God still created homosexuals.

2.) I'm not desperately trying to accuse you of anything. The best I can see is an underhanded attempt by yourself to dehumanize a whole group of God's fellow creatures, many of whom are Christian, and, quite frankly, I find that a sickening act that completely goes against the Gospel of our Lord.

3.) Creation was and is not a one-time event so whether or not homosexuals are explicitly mentioned in the Genesis creation parables is inconsequential.

4.) God is the Creator of all things visible and invisible.

5.) It is quite clear that God did, indeed, create homosexuals, heterosexuals, and John Lennon. Glory be to God.

6.) The Genesis accounts are not exhaustive even if you read them as literal history (which a great many Christians do not) and, therefore, you will not find an exhaustive listing of all that God intends or visions for each of us within.

Yes, the narrative includes a bond between male and female wherein we leave our parents and cleave to each other in one flesh as Jesus interpreted. However, even that is a parable of a parable as within the narrative neither Adam or Eve had biological parents to leave. You can not look back at Genesis and find everything that God intends for your life or any one else's life for that matter.

We all have different paths and all add to God's plan in different ways and that is the glory of following in and believing in a living God. We have a God who is active and creative today in each and all of our lives and that is what we should attest to as Christians.

We should not dehumanize groups of people and remove God from their lives nor can we do the latter no matter how hard some may try...

I know you are desperately trying to accuse me of gnosticism, but you know
very well, that I am not saying that people who participate in homosexuality are some
other form of human created by some other entity, so your efforts shall be fruitless.

I thought that throughout the thread I made it clear to you that you are WAY OFF BASE,
in those ludicrous accusations.

I asked in the OP where is the record of God creating homosexuals in the Genesis account?
We see no record of anyone being created in Genesis who is indentified by their
lifestyles of sin, do we? NO.

What do we see though?

I guess I will have to repeat:

What we see is that God neither created homosexual or
heterosexual or any other sexual.

He created a human MALE and He created from the man's rib
a help meet for Him a human FEMALE, who was just like Him EXCEPT
for her internal and external sex organs, which God made to be a complimentary
MATCH, so the two could become ONE FLESH and by doing so would enable them
to be fruitful and multiply.

God created and put MALE AND FEMALE together.

Any deviation of the action of God to place Male and Female
together is NOT of God.

End of story.

See angel4truth's post #167 for some additional illustrations.

 

[Angel4Truth]

1.) God still created homosexuals.

2.) I'm not desperately trying to accuse you of anything. The best I can see is an underhanded attempt by yourself to dehumanize a whole group of God's fellow creatures, many of whom are Christian, and, quite frankly, I find that a sickening act that completely goes against the Gospel of our Lord.

3.) Creation was not a one-time event so whether or not homosexuals are explicitly mentioned in the Genesis creation parables is inconsequential.

4.) God is the Creator of all things visible and invisible.

5.) It is quite clear that God did, indeed, create homosexuals, heterosexuals, and John Lennon. Glory be to God.

6.) The Genesis accounts are not exhaustive even if you read them as literal history (which a great many Christians do not) and, therefore, you will not find an exhaustive listing of all that God intends or visions for each of us within.

Yes, the narrative includes a bond between male and female wherein we leave our parents and cleave to each other in one flesh as Jesus interpreted. However, even that is a parable of a parable as within the narrative neither Adam or Eve had biological parents to leave. You can not look back at Genesis and find everything that God intends for your life or any one else's life for that matter.

We all have different paths and all add to God's plan in different ways and that is the glory of following in and believing in a living God. We have a God who is active and creative today in each and all of our lives and that is what we should attest to as Christians.

We should not dehumanize groups of people and remove God from their lives nor can we do the latter no matter how hard some may try...

I see nothing of the sort in the OP - I see an attempt by the OP to clarify what Gods intent for creation is and to point out that God doesnt author sin. I find it sickening and sad for a staff member to accuse a member of being unchristian when its a guideline of this site to avoid such flames - she also pointed you to my post which quite frankly sums up her intention to begin with.

God is NOT the author of sin - WE ARE. Nowhere does IAR post imply or suggest that God didnt create people- its suggestion is that God didnt create people for the purpose of SIN.

Now are you willing to state on this board that anyone who believes that homosexual lifestyles are a sin condition before God are unchistian and wrong and gnostic? If not- then you are unfairly condemning the op poster and not adressing the post but the PERSON and isnt that against the guidelines here????????????.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

1.) God still created homosexuals.

2.) I'm not desperately trying to accuse you of anything. The best I can see is an underhanded attempt by yourself to dehumanize a whole group of God's fellow creatures, many of whom are Christian, and, quite frankly, I find that a sickening act that completely goes against the Gospel of our Lord.

3.) Creation was and is not a one-time event so whether or not homosexuals are explicitly mentioned in the Genesis creation parables is inconsequential.

4.) God is the Creator of all things visible and invisible.

5.) It is quite clear that God did, indeed, create homosexuals, heterosexuals, and John Lennon. Glory be to God.

6.) The Genesis accounts are not exhaustive even if you read them as literal history (which a great many Christians do not) and, therefore, you will not find an exhaustive listing of all that God intends or visions for each of us within.

Yes, the narrative includes a bond between male and female wherein we leave our parents and cleave to each other in one flesh as Jesus interpreted. However, even that is a parable of a parable as within the narrative neither Adam or Eve had biological parents to leave. You can not look back at Genesis and find everything that God intends for your life or any one else's life for that matter.

We all have different paths and all add to God's plan in different ways and that is the glory of following in and believing in a living God. We have a God who is active and creative today in each and all of our lives and that is what we should attest to as Christians.

We should not dehumanize groups of people and remove God from their lives nor can we do the latter no matter how hard some may try...

Thank you.
From the bottom of my heart, thank you!

 

[CaDan]

The problem is mostly in the title of the thread. I suspect, however, in the absence of argumentation to the contrary pointing out the heretical tendencies of the argument, the argument would be allowed to pass without question based upon the whole homosexuality is evil thing. One should not focus so much on the end of the argument that one is willing to use heretical means to get there.

 

[Angel4Truth]

The problem is mostly in the title of the thread.

Easily clarified by adding a note to the OP that God doesnt author nor did He create us to SIN and or purpose of creation. I am shocked that so many seemingly do not understand the point of the OP. It isnt what has falsely been asserted here for sure.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

I see nothing of the sort in the OP - I see an attempt by the OP to clarify what Gods intent for creation is and to point out that God doesnt author sin.

Genesis doesn't talk explicitly about heterosexual orientation.
The OP is indeed an attempt to dehumanize those of us who are lgbt - there is no getting around it.

You are right about one thing: God does not author sin...this is proof positive that homoexuality is NOT sin, because God authored me and millions of other faithful gay people, who love and serve God.

I find it sickening and sad for a staff member to accuse a member of being unchristian when its a guideline of this site to avoid such flames - she also pointed you to my post which quite frankly sums up her intention to begin with.

Unless I missed something, stumpjumper never said or implied that IAR is not Christian, so I would like to know where you got that allegation.

God is NOT the author of sin - WE ARE. Nowhere does IAR post imply or suggest that God didnt create people- its suggestion is that God didnt create people for the purpose of SIN.

You might want to re-think your notion of what sin is. At this point, it appears that you think you can judge what is and is not sin, based on little, if any knowledge.

 

[IamRedeemed]

and Thank you!

If people do not like the loaded question in the OP... they will just have to get over it.
But attempting to turn it into something ELSE to suit wicked endeavors is not going to get it.

I see nothing of the sort in the OP - I see an attempt by the OP to clarify what Gods intent for creation is and to point out that God doesnt author sin. I find it sickening and sad for a staff member to accuse a member of being unchristian when its a guideline of this site to avoid such flames - she also pointed you to my post which quite frankly sums up her intention to begin with.

God is NOT the author of sin - WE ARE. Nowhere does IAR post imply or suggest that God didnt create people- its suggestion is that God didnt create people for the purpose of SIN.

Now are you willing to state on this board that anyone who believes that homosexual lifestyles are a sin condition before God are unchistian and wrong and gnostic? If not- then you are unfairly condemning the op poster and not adressing the post but the PERSON and isnt that against the guidelines here????????????.