Where is the record of God creating Homosexuals in the Creation Account?

[tulc]

Where is the record of God creating Homosexuals in the Creation Account?

Genesis 1:19-31

And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that has life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moves, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creeps upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creeps upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.


Genesis 2:18-25 tells us the details of how He created every beast in the field, every fowl in the air, how He brought them to Adam to name, how Adam came to realize that each of the types of creations God made, there seemed to be a pair. One slightly different than the other, but a match just the same, but there was no such help meet for him. God saw that Adam was discouraged not having a match like the other creations, and the Word continues to tell us the details of the creation of Eve, whom God made for Adam from Adam's Rib.


And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.


In the beginning of chapter 2, the very first verse (after chapter 1 told of all the creatures God made before going into the details in chapter 2 of how God made them) it says:

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.


So, where is it recorded in the Biblical creation account, these variations (some claim are from God), of the perfect creation God made in His own image (man) and the complimentary creation God made for man (woman), whom God said was good in His sight, commanded to be fruitful and multiply and have dominion over everything in and on the earth?

God was sure to have the scribes even tell about every creeping thing that creeps on the earth and every little bird in the sky. Why is there no mention of these variations of mankind
who seemingly have the same anatomy as the original male and female in the account of
creation?

Also, why is it that zero (<----keyword) homosexuals can follow the command to be fruitful and
multiply within their own "preferred" union? But otherwise, if following the model we find in Genesis
most certainly can?

Logically we would have to conclude that either that it a pretty cruel joke on God's part
(which knowing the character of God, I am personally sure that isn't the case)
OR......some folks are just not being honest and realistic with themselves or
anyone else they try to convince.

Here's the OP again. Can you (IAR) highlight which parts you do want us to answer and which parts you don't?
tulc(figures that's the easiest way)

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear tulc,

Here's the OP again. Can you (IAR) highlight which parts you do want us to answer and which parts you don't?

The highlighting is irrelevant as who are being called homosexual are presumably included in the creation of male and female, not the host of other creatures?

Logically we would have to conclude that either that it a pretty cruel joke on God's part

Why? Whether the reality is a cruel joke or not is not factual but merely an opinion; others don&#8217;t see it as either a joke or cruel.
This is one of the problems with the same-sex argument people expect others to see their worldview when others don&#8217;t because it is not based on fact.

(which knowing the character of God, I am personally sure that isn't the case)

Yet again that is un-factual as the reason God created male and female was so that a man and a woman can unite, same-sex is the opposite of that. How does one know the character of God if one is going against the character of God?

 

[ChaliceThunder]

This is ridiculous.

It has been answered over and over again - and it has been plainly shown:

God created all things. Yes, even heterosexuals who, for the sake of vainglory, ask questions that attempt to divide us.

 

[tulc]

Dear tulc,

The highlighting is irrelevant as who are being called homosexual are presumably included in the creation of male and female, not the host of other creatures?

Why? Whether the reality is a cruel joke or not is not factual but merely an opinion; others don&#8217;t see it as either a joke or cruel.
This is one of the problems with the same-sex argument people expect others to see their worldview when others don&#8217;t because it is not based on fact.

Yet again that is un-factual as the reason God created male and female was so that a man and a woman can unite, same-sex is the opposite of that. How does one know the character of God if one is going against the character of God?

uhmm apparently your argument isn't with me (in this instance), it's with IamRedeemed.
tulc(just curious)

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear tulc,
Then you probably havent understood our argument.

 

[tulc]

Dear tulc,
Then you probably havent understood our argument.

uhmm you do know the last two arguments you disputed weren't me right? The part about IaR highlighting was me the last two

Logically we would have to conclude that either that it a pretty cruel joke on God's part

and

(which knowing the character of God, I am personally sure that isn't the case)

were from the OP and were IamRedeemed's points.
tulc(just thought you should know)

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear tulc,
I know exactly what IAR is talking about, one of the objections of the gay lobbies in the church is that it is a cruel joke if they cant have sexual unions. Indeed the incluivechurch proposed that the good news of the gospel couldnt be good news to gays and lesbians if they couldnt fulfil their sexual desires... which poses the question what do they think the good news is.

 

[tulc]

So you think those are the parts IaR wants to discuss? Then isn't the thread title a little misleading? That's why I asked IaR to highlight the portions of the OP we were supposed to answer.
tulc(just trying to understand what's expected here)

 

[Crazy Liz]

Dear tulc,
Then you probably havent understood our argument.

Perhaps, then, you can explain your argument in view of our perspective.

If I correctly understand your argument, because Genesis does not mention sexual orientation, the statement, "God made me and I am gay" is false.

Our perspective is that there are a lot of human characteristics not mentioned in Genesis. Do you think the following statements are also false?

• God made me and I am black.
• God made me and I am white.
• God made me and I have Down syndrome.
• God made me and I am blind.
• God made me and I am infertile.
• God made me and I am bipolar.
• God made me and I am deaf.
• God made me and I am poor.
• God made me and I am king.

As you say, it is obvious to everyone that this is not a simple question, but part of an argument. How about if you explain your argument, if you don't think we understand it? And in explaining your argument, please keep in mind its relation to the question posed in the OP: "Where is the record of God creating Homosexuals in the Creation Account?"

 

[IamRedeemed]

You are right. There IS only ONE orthodox answer.
And that answer is that God neither created homosexual
or heterosexual or any other sexual.

He created a human MALE and He created from the man's rib
a help meet for Him a human FEMALE, who was just like Him EXCEPT
for her internal and external sex organs, which God made to be a complimentary
MATCH, so the two could become ONE FLESH and by doing so would enable them
to be fruitful and multiply.

God created and put MALE AND FEMALE together.

Any deviation of the action of God to place Male and female
together is NOT of God.

End of story.

Does not your question regard the creation of homosexual people?

There is only ONE orthodox answer.

 

[IamRedeemed]

For those who want to continue to point to disabilities
of some people etc., to justify the deviation of God's plan
and purpose need to focus on the fact that Genesis 1 and 2
was the record BEFORE sin and corruption came into the picture.

It IS God's plan for mankind.

As I stated in another post, the fall of man affected NOT ONLY mankind but every living thing in the earth. The Savior of the world, Jesus Christ made the sacrifice to save all of mankind who will be saved, by repenting and believing on Him, turning from the ways of the world, to the ways of God, and thereby take part in what is coming and that is that God is going to RESTORE the world and those that are saved, BACK to the way we were BEFORE the fall.

EDIT TO ADD:
We cannot continue to live and preach in opposition to God and expect that we will be
considered friends of the Lord's and invited to enter into His rest, but rather we can
expect to hear the dreadful words, "depart from me, I never knew you".

Luke 13:24-27
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Ollie,

You have attributed a post to me that I did not write.

 

[tulc]

You are right. There IS only ONE orthodox answer.
And that answer is that God neither created homosexual
or heterosexual or any other sexual.

He created a human MALE and He created from the man's rib
a help meet for Him a human FEMALE, who was just like Him EXCEPT for her internal and external sex organs, which God made to be a complimentary MATCH, so the two could become ONE FLESH and by doing so would enable them to be fruitful and multiply.

God created and put MALE AND FEMALE together.

Any deviation of that action of God is NOT of God.

End of story.

Well...that sort of how the Scripture goes:

18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

So the right order would be God makes man then He makes animals then He makes a woman. (I'm not even going to touch what the implications of THAT are ) so now there's a man and a woman...where are the various races at this time? Does that mean God didn't create them either? Does the fact that those very same animals that God created also have gay members mean He didn't create them either?
OR
You could agree with ChaliceThunder and just admit the OP wasn't worded clearly and we can deal with what you really wanted to discuss?
tulc(it happens to all of us, this is an easily confusing medium we're dealing with)

 

[stumpjumper]

Christian theology does not posit creation as being a one time event after which God stepped back from the reigns as that is deism.

God is as much creator and sustainer of the universe today as he was at the time of the Big Bang or whatever cosmogony you happen to follow. To argue against that is to remove God's presence from the material world and give the Holy Spirit the boot...

As Christians, we must affirm that God is still creating and that we can look forward to a new heavens and a new earth and the consummation that has been promised...

You are right. There IS only ONE orthodox answer.
And that answer is that God neither created homosexual
or heterosexual or any other sexual.

He created a human MALE and He created from the man's rib
a help meet for Him a human FEMALE, who was just like Him EXCEPT
for her internal and external sex organs, which God made to be a complimentary
MATCH, so the two could become ONE FLESH and by doing so would enable them
to be fruitful and multiply.

God created and put MALE AND FEMALE together.

Any deviation of the action of God to place Male and female
together is NOT of God.

End of story.

 

[lincolngreen50]

Perhaps, then, you can explain your argument in view of our perspective.

If I correctly understand your argument, because Genesis does not mention sexual orientation, the statement, &quot;God made me and I am gay&quot; is false.

Our perspective is that there are a lot of human characteristics not mentioned in Genesis. Do you think the following statements are also false?

• God made me and I am black.
• God made me and I am white.
• God made me and I have Down syndrome.
• God made me and I am blind.
• God made me and I am infertile.
• God made me and I am bipolar.
• God made me and I am deaf.
• God made me and I am poor.
• God made me and I am king.

As you say, it is obvious to everyone that this is not a simple question, but part of an argument. How about if you explain your argument, if you don't think we understand it? And in explaining your argument, please keep in mind its relation to the question posed in the OP: &quot;Where is the record of God creating Homosexuals in the Creation Account?&quot;

Those statements about for instance God made me blind are not sin.The Word of God in Genesis is clear.In addition the Word of God expounds on the creation account when Sin was introduced to man by the creation of desire. There are those who like to say that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality. Various verses are cited (out of context) and the verses that people use to show that homosexuality is wrong are explained away. The world wants to change God's words and meanings into something more suitable to its sinful desires.The World tries to change the Genesis account for the same reason. Nevertheless, the truth stands: The Bible condemns homosexuality as a sin. There follows four pieces of scripture that clearly tell us that the Homosexuality is sin. It should be noted that God gives perpetual sinners over to their passions and hardens their hearts and as a result they refuse to admit to their sin because they do not realize that they are sinning. Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguilt ness is upon them" 1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God." Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper." Homosexuality is clearly condemned by the Bible. It goes against the created order of God. He created Adam and then made a woman. This is what God has ordained and it is what is right. Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a severe judgment administered by God Himself. This judgment is simple: They are given over to their passions. That means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins (Romans 1:18). As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing. Without an awareness of their sinfulness, there will be no repentance and trusting in Jesus. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, there is no salvation. What should be the Christian's Response to the Homosexual? Just because someone is a homosexual does not mean that we cannot love him or her or pray for him or her. Homosexuality is a sin and like any other sin, it needs to be dealt with in the only way possible. It needs to be laid at the cross, repented of, and never done again. As a Christian, you should pray for the salvation of the homosexual the same you would any other person in sin. The homosexual is still made in the image of God -- even though he is in grave sin. Therefore, you should show him same dignity as anyone else you come in contact with. However, this does not mean that you are to approve of their sin. Don't compromise your witness for political correctness and for a socially acceptable premise.There are many out there who want to be saved ,who want to find redemption for their sins,who want to trust Gods Word,who wants to turn away from sin.I myself want to turn away from sin,I am a sinner but I do give praise to God for not hardening my heart against the Truth.One either believes in the creation account or one does not,their is no halfway ground,there is no halfway grounf when it comes to the Word of God condeming homosexuality.May the Lord have mercy on them.It is unfortunete that many do not see the Truth or refuse to see the Truth.

 

[IamRedeemed]

If you are going to attribute your stance (which seems to
be that God created humans to lust after or desire one another of
the same sex and put them together some time between the creation of
Adam and Eve and now) to "Christian Theology" then back it up with Scripture.

Christian theology does not posit creation as being a one time event after which God stepped back from the reigns as that is deism.

God is as much creator and sustainer of the universe today as he was at the time of the Big Bang or whatever cosmogony you happen to follow. To argue against that is to remove God's presence from the material world and give the Holy Spirit the boot...

As Christians, we must affirm that God is still creating and that we can look forward to a new heavens and a new earth and the consummation that has been promised...

 

[IamRedeemed]

Those statements about for instance God made me blind are not sin.The Word of God in Genesis is clear.In addition the Word of God expounds on the creation account when Sin was introduced to man by the creation of desire. There are those who like to say that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality. Various verses are cited (out of context) and the verses that people use to show that homosexuality is wrong are explained away. The world wants to change God's words and meanings into something more suitable to its sinful desires.The World tries to change the Genesis account for the same reason. Nevertheless, the truth stands: The Bible condemns homosexuality as a sin. There follows four pieces of scripture that clearly tell us that the Homosexuality is sin. It should be noted that God gives perpetual sinners over to their passions and hardens their hearts and as a result they refuse to admit to their sin because they do not realize that they are sinning. Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguilt ness is upon them" 1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God." Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper." Homosexuality is clearly condemned by the Bible. It goes against the created order of God. He created Adam and then made a woman. This is what God has ordained and it is what is right. Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a severe judgment administered by God Himself. This judgment is simple: They are given over to their passions. That means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins (Romans 1:18). As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing. Without an awareness of their sinfulness, there will be no repentance and trusting in Jesus. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, there is no salvation. What should be the Christian's Response to the Homosexual? Just because someone is a homosexual does not mean that we cannot love him or her or pray for him or her. Homosexuality is a sin and like any other sin, it needs to be dealt with in the only way possible. It needs to be laid at the cross, repented of, and never done again. As a Christian, you should pray for the salvation of the homosexual the same you would any other person in sin. The homosexual is still made in the image of God -- even though he is in grave sin. Therefore, you should show him same dignity as anyone else you come in contact with. However, this does not mean that you are to approve of their sin. Don't compromise your witness for political correctness and for a socially acceptable premise.There are many out there who want to be saved ,who want to find redemption for their sins,who want to trust Gods Word,who wants to turn away from sin.I myself want to turn away from sin,I am a sinner but I do give praise to God for not hardening my heart against the Truth.One either believes in the creation account or one does not,their is no halfway ground,there is no halfway grounf when it comes to the Word of God condeming homosexuality.May the Lord have mercy on them.It is unfortunete that many do not see the Truth or refuse to see the Truth.

 

[stumpjumper]

My stance is simply the standard Christian stance that God creates people who sin.

God created Liberace just as much as He created you and me and if you really need scripture to understand that self-evident fact then I think we are in dire straits here.

God created all of us.

All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

Yet, God loved and loves us while we are yet sinners.

If you are going to attribute your stance (which seems to
be that God created humans to lust after or desire one another of
the same sex and put them together some time between the creation of
Adam and Eve and now) to "Christian Theology" then back it up with Scripture.

 

[OllieFranz]

Ollie,

You have attributed a post to me that I did not write.

It was an honest mistake since you and the author of the post I inadvertantly attributed to you have such similar views. However, I should have been more careful, and I apologize.

 

[catlover]

Well, let's see what we have here. We have IAR posting scripture and asking a legitimate but very loaded question. And as of yet NO ONE has addressed the question asked in the OP. Everyone has gone off topic and engaged in making personal observations about IAR, saying she's judgmental and being UNChristian. But from where I'm sitting it's her opponents who are avoiding the question she raised in the OP, and making personal, judgment-based comments about her. There's definitely unChristian and unloving behavior going on in this thread. Too bad it's not coming from the OP. You guys are reading judgment into her post. She quoted scripture and asked a question. Can anyone answer the question? Yes or no?

Propaganda aimed at dehumanizing human beings is legitimate and Scriptural?