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Where is the record of God creating Homosexuals in the Creation Account?
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So then you are admitting in several ways here that you believe that
homosexual sex and the union of two of the same sex is indeed sinful and
a deviation from God's perfect plan for mankind before the fall, correct?
homosexual sex and the union of two of the same sex is indeed sinful and
a deviation from God's perfect plan for mankind before the fall, correct?
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Is this an apology? 
(asking to be sure as it doesn't really sound like one..
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I might further emphasize that while the views
of Bible believing Christians may be similar, the posting
styles should give some indication as to who is who, even if the
usual fonts and colors used don't give any indication.
(asking to be sure as it doesn't really sound like one..
)I might further emphasize that while the views
of Bible believing Christians may be similar, the posting
styles should give some indication as to who is who, even if the
usual fonts and colors used don't give any indication.
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Is this an apology?
(asking to be sure as it doesn't really sound like one..
Since it was a minor faux pas, and one that we all fall into at one time or another, and since there was no insult to either you or the other poster, either intended or actual, I didn't think that abject grovelling was called for. I still don't.
An admission of my error and a rational apology are more than sufficient. It is all I would expect from someone else if I were the one mistakenly credited with someone else's post.
of Bible believing Christians may be similar, the posting
styles should give some indication as to who is who, even if the
usual fonts and colors used don't give any indication.
That's true, and if I had looked up the post to quote from it I would have noticed that. However, I paraphrased it from memory.
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OK. How about "God made me a sinner?"
Passives always confuse me. Who created desire?
Sorry, but this is off-topic. The OP doesn't ask whether homosexuality is a sin, but whether God created homosexuals.
Exactly how everyone has answered the OP.
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The OP didn't ask about what is or is not sinful, but about who created homosexuals. If anyone had answered your question WRT sinfulness, it would not have addressed your question.
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jamielindas
When given the option, choose love and compassion
This sounds very much like what I have heard referred to as the Gospel of Inclusion.
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I would just call it the Gospel.
From my post:
" God created all of us."
From the Gospel:
The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Colossians, Chapter 1, Verses 16-17
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
From my post:The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Colossians, Chapter 1, Verses 16-17
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
From the Gospel:
The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Romans, Chapter 3, Verse 23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
From my post:The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Romans, Chapter 3, Verse 23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
Yet, God loved and loves us while we are yet sinners.
From the Gospel:
The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Romans, Chapter 5, Verse 8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
The Gospel According to St. John, Chapter 3, Verse 16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
I guess you could say the Gospel is pretty inclusive but really, though, all I posted was The Gospel...For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
The Gospel rocks. I always liked this one:
The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Romans, Chapter 8, Verses 38-39
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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There's some in there that I would agree with and some that I would disagree with but all of which I would say is beyond the scope of your OP and the main question as to whether or not God created homosexuals.
If you want my honest opinion, I would say that gay sex may or may not be sinful and I would say that the question of as to whether or not it is varies and it is dependent upon the context. I don't believe that inherently sex between two people of the same sex is necessarily sinful however I think many times it can be...
I would say that there are certainly a few condemnations of same sex unions in the Bible but that modernists and followers of Western philosophy like ourselves tend to look at ethical statements in deontic or deontological ways and I believe that is a predisposition that we bring to scriptural exegesis and many times turn that exegesis into isogesis.
I would say that Christianity, overall, puts forth a virtue based ethical system and that the moral commandments set forth by our Lord and Savior are contextually based and all should be looked through the commandment to love one another.
If you want my honest opinion, I would say that gay sex may or may not be sinful and I would say that the question of as to whether or not it is varies and it is dependent upon the context. I don't believe that inherently sex between two people of the same sex is necessarily sinful however I think many times it can be...
I would say that there are certainly a few condemnations of same sex unions in the Bible but that modernists and followers of Western philosophy like ourselves tend to look at ethical statements in deontic or deontological ways and I believe that is a predisposition that we bring to scriptural exegesis and many times turn that exegesis into isogesis.
I would say that Christianity, overall, puts forth a virtue based ethical system and that the moral commandments set forth by our Lord and Savior are contextually based and all should be looked through the commandment to love one another.
The Gospel According to St. Matthew, Chapter 22, Verses 33-43
Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
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Basically all that has been done is a bunch to tiptoeing through the tulips and around the
hedges in an attempt to dodge the reality that there is NO RECORD of God creating
homosexual people, joining them together and blessing their union in the creation account.
As well, Genesis 2:1 says. "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them."
(which was also pointed out in the OP.) Which clearly indicates that Stumpjumper's allusion to
homosexuals being created at some other point in time is also FALSE.
What God created was a MALE and He created A FE-MALE and He joined them together
and commanded them to be fruitful and multiply. He saw His creation and said it was GOOD.
Any deviation of the action of God to place Male and female
together is NOT of God.
End of story.
hedges in an attempt to dodge the reality that there is NO RECORD of God creating
homosexual people, joining them together and blessing their union in the creation account.
As well, Genesis 2:1 says. "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them."
(which was also pointed out in the OP.) Which clearly indicates that Stumpjumper's allusion to
homosexuals being created at some other point in time is also FALSE.
What God created was a MALE and He created A FE-MALE and He joined them together
and commanded them to be fruitful and multiply. He saw His creation and said it was GOOD.
Any deviation of the action of God to place Male and female
together is NOT of God.
End of story.
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Okay, so basically you are just going to minimize it and justify yourself and are
not going to offer any form of sincere apology for attributing it
to me as well as all of accusations that went with it.
No problem. I forgive you anyway, but atleast I know clearly where you stand.
not going to offer any form of sincere apology for attributing it
to me as well as all of accusations that went with it.
No problem. I forgive you anyway, but atleast I know clearly where you stand.
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Well until you know clearly one way or the other, I would
stop doing any teaching on it, if I were you.
(for you own soul's sake)
And you offered more than your "honest opinion", in the
past few posts. You offered a little bit of unScriptural teaching
and called it 'Christian Theology' and failed to provide Scripture
but rather offered additional reasonings from your own mind
to attempt to skirt what you did.
Yes, all the law and the Prophets hang on those two Scriptures
and one is listed FIRST for a very good reason. Obviously if we
love the Lord our God, with ALL of our hearts, mind, soul and
strength, we will not lead our neighbor to fall into a ditch, by
teaching them things that OPPOSE the Lord our God, deceiving
them onto a path that leads to their peril and destruction.
The grace of God is obtained through repentence, not through
God winking.
stop doing any teaching on it, if I were you.
(for you own soul's sake)
And you offered more than your "honest opinion", in the
past few posts. You offered a little bit of unScriptural teaching
and called it 'Christian Theology' and failed to provide Scripture
but rather offered additional reasonings from your own mind
to attempt to skirt what you did.
Yes, all the law and the Prophets hang on those two Scriptures
and one is listed FIRST for a very good reason. Obviously if we
love the Lord our God, with ALL of our hearts, mind, soul and
strength, we will not lead our neighbor to fall into a ditch, by
teaching them things that OPPOSE the Lord our God, deceiving
them onto a path that leads to their peril and destruction.
The grace of God is obtained through repentence, not through
God winking.
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ChaliceThunder
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How on earth did you get that?
He is saying that ALL are fallen, ALL sin.
He never said or even came close to implying an admission that "homosexual sex and the union of two of the same sex is indeed sinful and a deviation....."
The dishonesty in your response is quite remarkable!
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In 1 Corinthians 7, Paul states a preference for celibacy. That is a deviation of God to place male and female together, so I presume that also is not of God.
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Again, I would say that your argument goes against the Nicene Creed and Scripture.
From the Creed:From Scripture:
The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Colossians, Chapter 1, Verses 16-17
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Your argument is neither scriptural nor orthodox and has no place within the theology section of CF.For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
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And equally clearly indicates that infertile humans being created at some point in time is also FALSE.
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Angel4Truth
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I am amazed at some of the attempts to get this thread derailed with off topic nonsense .. I am totally amazed that some staff are aiding it. I am also amazed at the suggestion that this thread deals with gnosticism because the op asks where God created homosexuals when nothing suggests any such thing unless one has taken the stance that homosexuality is perfectly acceptable before God and that homosexual sex is not sin.
The genesis account is evident that woman was created to be both a helper and companion to man as well as the way to further the human race. It also makes it evident that design purpose was that man and woman fill the earth with offspring.
Its ridiculous to argue that this isnt the case because of sterility existing. Does the purpose of the human leg change because one loses one or is born without one? No.
Design and purpose remains the same reguardless of accident- disease- deformity.
Its also ridiculous to argue that God "created" homosexuality when the act of homosexual sex is sin. God is not the author of sin and to say so isnt gnosticism by any means. To say that God created one for the purpose to sin makes God the author of sin. So one needs to ask if they are wrong or He is. God is light and there is no darkness found in Him - God is also not a man that He should lie. We are who do those things in our flesh to appease our flesh.
The answer to the OP is that no - God didnt create mankind to be sinners so then no He did not create a man to be gay or a woman to be a lesbian - we took that upon ourselves and make the choice to be free from sin or continue to choose our own way instead of His.
There is no sin He wont give us a way out of (temptation) when we seek Him and continue to trust Him to strengthen us and help us be clean through Christ. We all struggle and we all have certain sins we are more geared toward (that appeal to our flesh) but those temptations do not the person make. We choose to heed them or lay them at the cross.
God doesnt create sin. He creates people- We choose sin ourselves. He created us perfect - we chose to fall into sin by heeding temptation instead of trusting Him. We continue to choose each day to cary our cross or feed into our flesh.
God created man and woman to be partners and mulitply to fill the earth. A man and man together sexually cannot do that neither can a woman and a woman- its against creation and what was intended clearly outlined in the creation account and then later called sin accoring to the law which is given for the knowledge of sin - that which declares us all guilty and in need of a Savior before a Holy and Just God.
The genesis account is evident that woman was created to be both a helper and companion to man as well as the way to further the human race. It also makes it evident that design purpose was that man and woman fill the earth with offspring.
Its ridiculous to argue that this isnt the case because of sterility existing. Does the purpose of the human leg change because one loses one or is born without one? No.
Design and purpose remains the same reguardless of accident- disease- deformity.
Its also ridiculous to argue that God "created" homosexuality when the act of homosexual sex is sin. God is not the author of sin and to say so isnt gnosticism by any means. To say that God created one for the purpose to sin makes God the author of sin. So one needs to ask if they are wrong or He is. God is light and there is no darkness found in Him - God is also not a man that He should lie. We are who do those things in our flesh to appease our flesh.
The answer to the OP is that no - God didnt create mankind to be sinners so then no He did not create a man to be gay or a woman to be a lesbian - we took that upon ourselves and make the choice to be free from sin or continue to choose our own way instead of His.
There is no sin He wont give us a way out of (temptation) when we seek Him and continue to trust Him to strengthen us and help us be clean through Christ. We all struggle and we all have certain sins we are more geared toward (that appeal to our flesh) but those temptations do not the person make. We choose to heed them or lay them at the cross.
God doesnt create sin. He creates people- We choose sin ourselves. He created us perfect - we chose to fall into sin by heeding temptation instead of trusting Him. We continue to choose each day to cary our cross or feed into our flesh.
God created man and woman to be partners and mulitply to fill the earth. A man and man together sexually cannot do that neither can a woman and a woman- its against creation and what was intended clearly outlined in the creation account and then later called sin accoring to the law which is given for the knowledge of sin - that which declares us all guilty and in need of a Savior before a Holy and Just God.
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