Where is the record of God creating Homosexuals in the Creation Account?

[LightHorseman]

He created sex between a husband and wife only. anything outside of that is outside of God's blessing, and therefore a sin. Later, he goes on to name a few sexual sins.

I can't believe we have to actually teach this here. Sexuality 101 according to God's Word.

Wait again---I do believe we have to teach the basics here!

Not that Adam and Eve are recorded as ever having been "married"...

 

[CaDan]

Not that Adam and Eve are recorded as ever having been "married"...

Or as having sexual intercourse. The first recorded incident is after the Fall.

 

[Angel_of_the_Lord]

Not that Adam and Eve are recorded as ever having been "married"...

Not exactly in those words, but look at Genesis 2:23-25.

"23- And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of man.
24- Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh.
25- And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."

This is taken as the first marriage of the Bible. They were not ashamed to be naked with each other because they were husband and wife. The word "married" isn't used, but the context does state that Adam and Eve were indeed husband and wife, and, therefore, married.

 

[CaDan]

Not exactly in those words, but look at Genesis 2:23-25.

"23- And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of man.
24- Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh.
25- And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."

This is taken as the first marriage of the Bible. They were not ashamed to be naked with each other because they were husband and wife. The word "married" isn't used, but the context does state that Adam and Eve were indeed husband and wife, and, therefore, married.

That is theology showing up in the translation. The Hebrew word translated as "woman" is the same as the word translated as "wife".

 

[LightHorseman]

Not exactly in those words, but look at Genesis 2:23-25.

"23- And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of man.
24- Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh.
25- And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."

This is taken as the first marriage of the Bible. They were not ashamed to be naked with each other because they were husband and wife. The word "married" isn't used, but the context does state that Adam and Eve were indeed husband and wife, and, therefore, married.

You are welcome to interpret them as being married... however, if that is the case, it seems that all it takes to be married is to perceive yourself as married... an assertion which I'm sure will have people running about like headless chickens in no time... Since it allows for all sorts of undesirable people to be considered "married" without giving anyone the right to self righteous judgemental condemnation of others

 

[LightHorseman]

That is theology showing up in the translation. The Hebrew word translated as "woman" is the same as the word translated as "wife".

I'll take your word for it (I'm no hebrew scholar) very interesting, especially the way people will unconciously add meaning to unintentional vagueries of translation

 

[onemessiah]

He created sex between a husband and wife only. anything outside of that is outside of God's blessing, and therefore a sin.

Show me where in the creation account that it says that.
Until you do that, I will just have to interpret this as your opinion, and not biblical.

(Remember, anything outside of the creation account is "off topic", or so we're told.)

I can't believe we have to actually teach this here. Sexuality 101 according to God's Word.

Wait again---I do believe we have to teach the basics here!

There's quite a few things here that I can't believe that has to be taught to adults who should know better.
Sure, maybe we should teach the basics. Unfortunately, I don't see very many people here worthy of teaching others.
I'm certainly not worthy of it. Do you presume to be?




**By the way, you still didn't answer my question-

Did god condemn any form of sexuality in the creation account? If so, can you provide me with the verse?

If you can't provide the verse where he condemns it, then once again, I'll have to conclude that this is just your personal inference, and not biblical.

 

[Criada]

The creation account is just that.
God created.. everything and everyone.
It is not intended to be a complete theology in a couple of chapters, simply an account of what was created.
This is really a pointless argument.
The creation account neither condones nor condemns homosexuality... it doesn't address it, because it is not about that!

 

[Angel4Truth]

That is theology showing up in the translation. The Hebrew word translated as "woman" is the same as the word translated as "wife".

Jesus reiterated the same phrase in matthew chapter 19 though so its more than theology unless of course you dont really believe the words of Christ in the NT.

Good point though that you mention woman and wife was the same word in the hebrew - so we can easily get this from the same phrase Jesus also repeats in the NT "shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife"(woman)

Pretty clear its not for man to cleave to another man since wife and woman is the same word. Thanks for pointing that out. Once something is defined as purpose in both creation and where Christ in matthew 19 is discussing marriage - this leaves no room for a man cleaving to another man quite clearly in both creation or marriage.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear criada,

The creation account is just that.

God created.. everything and everyone.

But in the creation account God created who He created, not who you think He created.

This is really a pointless argument.

yes it is, the thread is about where in the creation account did God create homosexuality, your next statement says your answer is ‘nowhere’ you have just wrapped it up in some other false claims to confuse the issue.

The creation account… doesn't address it..

But if God created woman to be united with man that means your homosexuality concept is excluded from the creation account, it’s a concept towards the opposite of God’s purposes.

 

[Phinehas2]

One of the main problems here is claiming that people are homosexual whereas God obviously doesn’t see people as homosexual. That’s the problem.
So we are having to argue about assumption when the assumption is false.
God created male and female which includes people who identify themselves as homosexuals, but God created male and female to be united, so homosexuals aren’t what God created those people to be.
Therefore when people who claim to be homosexual say God created them, they don’t know who they really are, as His Biblical testimony shows. If they insist on identifying themselves by their sexual attraction which is contrary to God’s purposes then they are not honouring God who made them. Romans 1 is the best example of this.

So to answer tulc's question a little while back,

Could you guys explain who created homosexuals if they weren't created by God?

the answer is human's created the idea which is a result of disobedience and rebellion to God's purposes.

 

[Criada]

Dear criada,
But in the creation account God created who He created, not who you think He created.
In the actual account, He created Adam and Eve....
However, ultimately He created everything that is.... what I think is irrelevant.

yes it is, the thread is about where in the creation account did God create homosexuality, your next statement says your answer is ‘nowhere’ you have just wrapped it up in some other false claims to confuse the issue.

What false claims? As far as i can see, the only claim I made in this post is that God created everything.

But if God created woman to be united with man that means your homosexuality concept is excluded from the creation account, it’s a concept towards the opposite of God’s purposes.

My homosexuality concept???
I didn't create it, that I am sure of! And if you have read my other posts, you will know that I don't actually condone the homosexual lifestyle.
However, I don't think it is specifically 'excluded'.... just not relevant. In this account the only people created are Adam and Eve.. who are evidently heterosexual.
They were also probably black..... but that doesn't mean white people are excluded from creation, does it?

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Criada,

My homosexuality concept???

My apologies, the homosexuality concept.

However, I don't think it is specifically 'excluded'.... just not relevant.

If God created woman for man to be in union, how can man for man be what God created man for? Of course its excluded. But read the rest of the Bible and see its excluded.

In this account

'this' account? What other Biblical creation accounts are there??

that have the only people created are Adam and Eve.. who are evidently heterosexual.

accoding to the modern concept yes Adam and Eve are 'heterosexual' So according to the modern concept God created only heterosexuals. There is the answer, the concept is wrong. If one forgets the concepts heterosexual and homosexual and juts focuses on what God created one can see who and what God created us to be.
(staff edit)

They were also probably black..... but that doesn't mean white people are excluded from creation, does it?

You mean it 'probably' doesn't mean they are excluded from creation. You have again made an assumption which is also not relevant as God made male and female to be united not male and female to be black or whte. Your assumption has no relevant logic.

 

[Criada]

I am not going to debate every point, as I have frankly had enough of arguing this... I am in the unfortunate position of being considered wrong by both sides in this , and it gets tiring.

 

[HaloHope]

I was going to type a reply, but then I realized my computer isnt mentioned in the creation account so therefore it dosent exsist and I cant reply. But apparently I dont exsist either which makes everything so much more difficult.

 

[David Brider]

I am in the unfortunate position of being considered wrong by both sides in this...

Not that I know of.

 

[HaloHope]

I am not going to debate every point, as I have frankly had enough of arguing this... I am in the unfortunate position of being considered wrong by both sides in this , and it gets tiring.

And anyway, by your logic bolded above, I don't exist, so why bother.

Im with David on this one, Criada I think your awesome

 

[Tenebrae]

I am not going to debate every point, as I have frankly had enough of arguing this... I am in the unfortunate position of being considered wrong by both sides in this , and it gets tiring.

And anyway, by your logic bolded above, I don't exist, so why bother.

Excellent, I dont exist..... Woot, no more existing


Its funny, I would be condemned if I chose to act on my same sex attraction, and I'm condemned by heterosexuals because I refer myself as a gay christian. The reality is men repulse me, and I like girls, I chose not to act on that because I can not reconcile it with my christian beliefs.

Its clear Criada, we are stuffed if we do, stuffed if we dont so why do we bother and we should just jump right on in, since we are condemmed for how we were made even though we chose not to act on those deep seated feelings and dont exist anyway

 

[Phinehas2]

And anyway, by your logic bolded above, I don't exist, so why bother.

Are you male or female? If you are then according to the Bible you do exist.

Homosexual just means the desires some men and woman have.

 

[tulc]

yes it is, the thread is about where in the creation account did God create homosexuality

uhmmm (again) no it's not. It's about where were homosexuals created in the creation account, not where was homosexuality in the creation account. See the difference? It's a common mistake.
tulc(glad we could clear that up!)