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Where is the One and Only place Apostle Paul mentioned "Hades" (Hell)?

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by Available Light, Feb 21, 2021.

  1. Available Light

    Available Light New Member

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    Most all translations covered it up.
    Every other time in the NT, where the word Hades was inscribed, the translators transposed the name Hell, except where Paul wrote it.
     
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    The suspense is killing me. Where?
     
  3. Available Light

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    Need to keep the mystery alive.
    It will be more rich for you if you research and find it yourself.
     
  4. public hermit

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    Fair enough.

    So, what do you think about the fact Paul doesn't really discuss hell in his letters?
     
  5. Sabertooth

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    The closest that I can find is
    "If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ,
    let him be Anathema [accursed].
    Mara n'atha! [Lord, do come soon!]" 1 Corinthians 16:22
     
  6. Available Light

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    The one time he mentioned Hades, dismantles the religious notion of "Hell" - the name of 'Hel' in Norse Mythology.
     
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  7. Available Light

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    No, the greek word Hades was used in the verse I'm speaking of.
     
  8. mlepfitjw

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    Hello Available ; Is not Hades - She'ol (The covering place for the deaD) - also (Maybe not this because this place was real ->) Gehenna?
     
  9. Minister Monardo

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    1 Corinthians 15:55
     
  10. Available Light

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    Yes.
    Now - where is the notion of 'Eternal Damnation' in that?
    Can you describe the spiritual significance of what Hades is in the context?
     
  11. Minister Monardo

    Minister Monardo Truth In The Nebulous

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    Hosea 13:14. I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death:
    O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from
    mine eyes.
    The context for Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 is the resurrection from the dead.
    John 5:
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    Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
    29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done
    evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
     
  12. Available Light

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    I assume like most, you place the Resurrection off into some future state.
    Jesus is the Resurrection.

    If its a future state, why did Paul say in Phil 3 - I count all things loss, THAT I MAY ATTAIN the resurrection of the dead?

    Even if you believe it off into the future, that means death and hades still have victory over you - based on I Cor 15:55.

    christians are told they are free from Hell - Hades.
    Nope.
     
  13. Minister Monardo

    Minister Monardo Truth In The Nebulous

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    John 6:39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.


    It should be clear from the context
    Pressing Toward the Goal
    7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ.
    8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord,
    for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ
    9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;
    10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings,
    being conformed to His death,
    11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.

    12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay
    hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me.
    13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those
    things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead,
    14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.



    Only if you do not believe in the resurrection. Do you live in the fear of death?
    Hebrews 2:
    14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared
    in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
    15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
     
  14. 2PhiloVoid

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    Personally, I think that's a very interesting fact. Do tell us more, PH!

    And since you're seminary trained, maybe you could briefly share with us why you think some (but not all) modern English translations imply that Paul had anything at all to say about 'Hades' ? :cool:
     
  15. Available Light

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    If the resurrection (Jesus) is off in a future state - then why would Paul say he presses toward it?
     
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    Paul was a Universalist. "Out of him and through him and to him are ALL THINGS" - Rom 11:36.
    That is one of many accounts.
     
  17. Minister Monardo

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    Because after the resurrection is the judgment.
    You seem to like asking questions, if you could answer one?
     
  18. Available Light

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    Already answered it, if you read it.
    He that keeps my sayings shall NEVER see death - John 8:51.
    christians always have to add to this oracle to deny it.
     
  19. 2PhiloVoid

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    That's an interesting point of view, Available Light, but I'm pretty sure that even though Paul attempted to be a lot of things to a lot of people, presenting himself as a 'Universalist' wasn't one of them.

    Is this the actual focus that you were intending for your OP to have? I thought you were simply trying to bring our attention to the fact that Paul doesn't ACTUALLY use a Greek word for Hades in his letters.

    [See 1 Corinthians 15:55 Greek Text Analysis]
     
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  20. public hermit

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    I don't know what else to say, except Paul does not have "hell" (widely understood) as a focus. To the best of my knowledge, he doesn't even mention Hades in his letters. In 1 Corinthians 15:55, Paul uses thanatos, which is appropriately translated "death." All versions translate that way, except the KJV translates it "death" the first time, and then "grave" the second, which is odd. Paul does talk about universal condemnation, but by that he means humanity's status before God's judgment.

    Lol, I don't know that I have any special insight. Any such implication would be due to doctrinal preference and not so much with the text, per se. If all we had were Paul's writings, I don't think the doctrine of ECT would have developed like it did. But, we aren't in that hypothetical situation, and we have a whole host of other scriptural writings to consider. It is interesting, nonetheless.
     
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