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Where is the Great Multitude from Rev 7:13,14

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I find a problem with this. There was/is/will be, more than one period of time called "great tribulation." Jesus talked about "those days" of "great tribulation," but those two words were not enough to differentiate "those days" He was talking about with other "great tribulation." Jesus said that "then shall be great tribulation,' some unknown time after the abomination. The problem is, in Revelation 7, where this great crowd, too large to number, is written, John has not yet started the Week, much less has he arrived at the midpoint abomination in his narrative. There are three midpoint chapters, each with at least one "countdown" of an event that will begin at or near the midpoint and "count down" to the end of the week. This would be chapters 11, 12, and 13. In Revelation, John does not begin "those days" of "great tribulation" until late in Chapter 14. Therefore, the "great tribulation" in Chapter 7 cannot be about the days of great tribulation Jesus spoke of.
Rather, I believe God was calling their lives on earth before they were born again, as "mega" or great tribulation, perhaps adding up all their individual "tribulation" for this great crowd.
Rev 7:9-17 is about the GT (great tribulation), which is the second half of the 7-year Trib. Rev 7:16 is about the wrath of God found only in the GT, in Rev 16:8.
 
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Rev 7:9-17 is about the GT (great tribulation), which is the second half of the 7-year Trib. Rev 7:16 is about the wrath of God found only in the GT, in Rev 16:8.
Are you saying the first half of the tribulation is Rev. 8–11, and the second half is Rev. 16? If that were so, wouldn't Rev. 7:16 also mention the harmful and painful sore that afflicted the people who had the mark of the beast and who worshiped his image? Or what about the sea becoming blood like that of a dead man? Or what about the rivers and the springs of waters becoming blood? What of the kingdom of the beast becoming darkened? What of the water of the Euphrates being dried up? What of the plague of hailstones? None of those bowls of wrath are mentioned in Rev. 7:16.... Why not?

Where do you get a 7-year tribulation? You know, it's entirely possible that people can be scorched with heat during two or more periods of history.... Rev. 7:16 describes the general state of mankind hungering, thirsting, the sun beating down on us, and scorching heat, as it always does in this fallen world. Rev. 16:8 describes an extreme, catastrophic event in which the sun will scorch people with fire.
 
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Are you saying the first half of the tribulation is Rev. 8–11, and the second half is Rev. 16? If that were so, wouldn't Rev. 7:16 also mention the harmful and painful sore that afflicted the people who had the mark of the beast and who worshiped his image? Or what about the sea becoming blood like that of a dead man? Or what about the rivers and the springs of waters becoming blood? What of the kingdom of the beast becoming darkened? What of the water of the Euphrates being dried up? What of the plague of hailstones? None of those bowls of wrath are mentioned in Rev. 7:16.... Why not?

Where do you get a 7-year tribulation? You know, it's entirely possible that people can be scorched with heat during two or more periods of history.... Rev. 7:16 describes the general state of mankind hungering, thirsting, the sun beating down on us, and scorching heat, as it always does in this fallen world. Rev. 16:8 describes an extreme, catastrophic event in which the sun will scorch people with fire.

Are you saying the first half of the tribulation is Rev. 8–11, and the second half is Rev. 16? If that were so, wouldn't Rev. 7:16 also mention the harmful and painful sore that afflicted the people who had the mark of the beast and who worshiped his image? Or what about the sea becoming blood like that of a dead man? Or what about the rivers and the springs of waters becoming blood? What of the kingdom of the beast becoming darkened? What of the water of the Euphrates being dried up? What of the plague of hailstones? None of those bowls of wrath are mentioned in Rev. 7:16.... Why not?

Where do you get a 7-year tribulation? You know, it's entirely possible that people can be scorched with heat during two or more periods of history.... Rev. 7:16 describes the general state of mankind hungering, thirsting, the sun beating down on us, and scorching heat, as it always does in this fallen world. Rev. 16:8 describes an extreme, catastrophic event in which the sun will scorch people with fire.
The 21 judgments of God’s wrath that occur in the Trib, start at Rev 6:1-2, and they end at Rev 16:21.

The seal judgments occur in Rev 6; the trumpet judgments occur in Rev 8 - 9 and Rev 11:15 and the bowl judgments occur in Rev 16.

Rev 11:2-3 occur just before the midpoint (Matt 24:15). In Rev 11:2-3, two time periods begin: 42 months and 1,260 days. They run concurrently and each lasts 3.5 years. Since those timeframes begin just before the midpoint, there are 3.5 years of activity that precede them. The first half of the 7-year Trib features the seven seal judgments and the seven trumpet judgements. The first seal is opened in Rev 6:1-2, and the seventh trumpet occurs in Rev 11:15. The bowl judgments begin and end in Rev 16. It is very close to a 7-year timeframe in which all of that occurs.
 
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The 21 judgments of God’s wrath that occur in the Trib, start at Rev 6:1-2, and they end at Rev 16:21.

The seal judgments occur in Rev 6; the trumpet judgments occur in Rev 8 - 9 and Rev 11:15 and the bowl judgments occur in Rev 16.

Rev 11:2-3 occur just before the midpoint (Matt 24:15). In Rev 11:2-3, two time periods begin: 42 months and 1,260 days. They run concurrently and each lasts 3.5 years. Since those timeframes begin just before the midpoint, there are 3.5 years of activity that precede them. The first half of the 7-year Trib features the seven seal judgments and the seven trumpet judgements. The first seal is opened in Rev 6:1-2, and the seventh trumpet occurs in Rev 11:15. The bowl judgments begin and end in Rev 16. It is very close to a 7-year timeframe in which all of that occurs.
The 42 months of Rev. 11:2 match up with Luk. 21:23b–24. Both describe Jerusalem being trampled underfoot by the Gentiles for a certain length of time. They are known as the times of the Gentiles. The times of the Gentiles lasted until the fullness of the Gentiles came in (Rom. 11:25). The times of the Gentiles (Luk. 21:23b–24) are the same as the great tribulation (Mat. 24:21). They are taken from the same part of the Olivet Discourse. All the other statements of the Olivet Discourse match up. Some are left out. They were just two different ways of explaining the same period of time in the future.

Imagine "the times of the Gentiles" of Rev. 11:2, where the fullness of the Gentiles came in, lasting only 3 1/2 literal years—your great tribulation. It would take a thousand years or more for the fullness of the Gentiles to come in. That's why the day-year principle is applied to the 42 months. Which explains why the 42 months were differentiated from the 1,260 days of Rev. 11:3. The two witnesses couldn't possibly prophesy for 1,260 years. The Jews were "coming in" from the time of the conquest of Canaan to the Babylonian captivity, again from Yeshua Hamashiach's ministry to the Muslim conquest of the Levant, and again from the Israeli Declaration of Independence until today. Their "times" were from 1539 to 609 BC, AD 26 to 637, and 1948 until today—1,618 years. It's only fitting that the Gentiles would get 1,260 years, as opposed to 3 1/2. Of course the times of the Gentiles were just a generalization of the times, so there were Jews being saved during the Gentiles' times and there were Gentiles being saved during "the times of the Jews."

The great tribulation/times of the Gentiles lasted from the abomination of desolation (Dome of the Rock) until the Israeli Declaration of Independence—1,260 years. There are no other qualifying abominations of desolation that match a 3 1/2-year or 1,260-year time period with significant events at either end of their timeframes.

The seven seals were already fulfilled. Rev. 1:3 says, "Blessed is the one who reads, and those who hear the words of the prophecy and keep the things which are written in it; for the time is near." Revelation was written around AD 95.

Soon afterward, Trajan (r. AD 98–117) was a successful soldier-emperor who presided over one of the greatest military expansions in Roman history, during which, by the time of his death, the Roman Empire reached its maximum territorial extent. He was the rider on the white horse—the first seal.

The 2nd through the 4th seals were different aspects of the Crisis of the Third Century.

The second seal was the frequent civil wars which devastated the Roman empire from AD 193 to the 3rd century.

"From the beginning of the Principate there were no clear rules for the imperial succession, largely because the empire maintained the facade of a republic.

"During the early Principate, the process for becoming an emperor relied on a combination of proclamation by the Senate, popular approval, and acceptance by the army, in particular the Praetorian Guard. A family connection to a previous emperor was beneficial, but it did not determine the issue in the way a formal system of hereditary succession would. From the Julio-Claudian dynasty onwards there was sometimes tension between the Senate's preferred choice and the army. As the Senatorial class declined in political influence and more generals were recruited from the provinces, this tension increased.

"Whenever the succession appeared uncertain, there was an incentive for any general with support of a sizable army to attempt to seize power, sparking civil war. The most recent example of this prior to the Crisis was the Year of the Five Emperors which resulted in the victory of Septimius Severus. After the overthrow of the Severan dynasty, for the rest of the 3rd century, Rome was ruled by a series of generals, coming into power through frequent civil wars which devastated the empire (Wikipedia)."

The third seal was the economic depression which the empire faced from AD 235 to 284.

"Internally, the empire faced hyperinflation caused by years of coinage devaluation. This had started earlier under the Severan emperors who enlarged the army by one quarter, and doubled the base pay of legionaries. As each of the short-lived emperors took power, they needed ways to raise money quickly to pay the military's "accession bonus" and the easiest way to do so was by inflating the coinage severely, a process made possible by debasing the coinage with bronze and copper.

"This resulted in runaway rises in prices, and by the time Diocletian came to power, the old coinage of the Roman Empire had nearly collapsed. Some taxes were collected in kind and values often were notional, in bullion or bronze coinage. Real values continued to be figured in gold coinage, but the silver coin, the denarius, used for 300 years, was gone (1 pound of gold = 40 gold aurei = 1,000 denarii = 4,000 sestertii). This currency had almost no value by the end of the third century, and trade was carried out without retail coinage (Wikipedia)."

The fourth seal was the natural disasters which the empire faced from AD 249 to 262.

"From 249 to 262, the Plague of Cyprian devastated the Roman Empire to such a degree that some cities, such as the city of Alexandria, experienced a 62% decline in population. These plagues greatly hindered the Roman Empire's ability to ward off barbarian invasions but also factored into problems such as famine, with many farms becoming abandoned and unproductive (Wikipedia)."

The fifth seal was the Diocletianic Persecution from AD 303 to 313.

"The Diocletianic Persecution was the last and most severe persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire. In 303, the emperors Diocletian, Maximian, Galerius, and Constantius issued a series of edicts rescinding Christians' legal rights and demanding that they comply with traditional religious practices. Later edicts targeted the clergy and demanded universal sacrifice, ordering all inhabitants to sacrifice to the Roman gods. The persecution varied in intensity across the empire—weakest in Gaul and Britain, where only the first edict was applied, and strongest in the Eastern provinces. Persecutory laws were nullified by different emperors (Galerius with the Edict of Serdica in 311) at different times, but Constantine and Licinius' Edict of Milan in 313 has traditionally marked the end of the persecution (Wikipedia)."

The sixth seal was the terror which the empire faced from AD 363 to 380.

"The Galilee earthquake of 363 was a pair of severe earthquakes that shook the Galilee and nearby regions on May 18 and 19. The maximum perceived intensity for the events was estimated to be X (Very destructive) on the European macroseismic scale. The earthquakes occurred on the portion of the Dead Sea Transform (DST) fault system between the Dead Sea and the Gulf of Aqaba (Wikipedia)."

"The 365 Crete earthquake occurred at about sunrise on 21 July 365 in the Eastern Mediterranean, with an assumed epicentre near Crete. Geologists today estimate the undersea earthquake to have been a moment magnitude 8.5 or higher. It caused widespread destruction in the central and southern Diocese of Macedonia (modern Greece), Africa Proconsularis (northern Libya), Egypt, Cyprus, Sicily, and Hispania (Spain). On Crete, nearly all towns were destroyed.

"The earthquake was followed by a tsunami which devastated the southern and eastern coasts of the Mediterranean, particularly Libya, Alexandria, and the Nile Delta, killing thousands and hurling ships 3 km (1.9 mi) inland. The quake left a deep impression on the late antique mind, and numerous writers of the time referred to the event in their works (Wikipedia)."

A total solar eclipse occurred in the Roman Empire on 7 June AD 373. A total lunar eclipse occurred there on 20 April 376.

"Then the kings of the earth and the eminent people, and the commanders and the wealthy and the strong, and every slave and free person hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; and they said to the mountains and the rocks, 'Fall on us and hide us from the sight of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to stand (Rev. 6:15–17)?'"

The result was the Edict of Thessalonica. "The Edict of Thessalonica, issued on 27 February AD 380 by Theodosius I, made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire. It condemned other Christian creeds such as Arianism as heresies of "foolish madmen," and authorized their punishment (Wikipedia)."

The seventh seal was the 1,645+ years between the sixth seal and the first trumpet.

Imagine all 21 of God's judgments occurring within the matter of 7 years. What an awful time to be alive. I don't think anyone could survive it! It would be bad enough for just 7 of his judgments to occur within your lifetime. And what a wake-up call that would be. The six seals occurred in the Roman Empire between AD 98 and 380. The seven trumpets could happen any time. Hailstorms have gotten worse and 2019 was supposedly "The Year the World Burned (Washington Post)." The seven bowls of God's wrath will happen after the rapture of the church.

What are you, pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib?
 
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Rev 4:1 is the pre-Trib rapture of the Church. It is provable that apostle John never left Patmos while writing Rev.

There are a handful of verses that work together to validate the pre-Trib rapture: Rev 3:10, 1 Th 1:10, 1 Th 4:16-17, John 14:3, Rev 4:1 and 1 Cor 15:52.

Are you a preterist? There is no way the early seal judgments have already occurred.
 
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The answer to your question is in the words in bold immediately below. That one angel showed John every supernatural scene from the future, in Rev. John verifies that in the verse immediately below.

Rev 22:8 (ESV): I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me,


“I saw” and “I heard” are key phrases that John used over and over in Rev, to indicate that the angel with him was showing John the current supernatural scene.

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place[a] of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people,[b] and God himself will be with them as their God. 4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

5 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” 6 And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. 7 The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Whereas John saw and heard everything, it never says that one angel showed and told him everything. That's an assumption on your part.
Rev 22:8 refers to the antecedent angel of Rev 21:9 whereas prior to that the antecedent angel refers to the angel of Rev 17;1. It's as plain as the nose on your face, as the saying goes.
 
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Whereas John saw and heard everything, it never says that one angel showed and told him everything. That's an assumption on your part.
Rev 22:8 refers to the antecedent angel of Rev 21:9 whereas prior to that the antecedent angel refers to the angel of Rev 17;1. It's as plain as the nose on your face, as the saying goes.
Ed, the one angel sent to John showed him all of Rev (Rev 1:1). John confirms that in Rev 22:8.

I have said more than once that other angels participated in some of the scenes. However, in each case, it was under the direction of the one angel sent to John in Rev 1:1. We know this because of how Rev 22:1 begins:

Rev 22:1 (ESV): Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth,

The one angel sent to John showed John every supernatural scene in Rev. John acknowledged that every time he used “I heard” and “I saw.”

There are at least three instances in scenes where John hears “Come …”

It wasn’t intended for him in Rev 4:1 because Rev 4:1-2 prove that John was merely writing what will take place in that scene, upon its fulfillment.

Rev 21-22 are a wrap up of what will take place to completely fulfill Rev. Is it we who will be in John’s place upon the fulfillment of Rev 21-22?
 
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Ed, the one angel sent to John showed him all of Rev (Rev 1:1). John confirms that in Rev 22:8.
The parallel verse to Rev 1:1-3 is 22:6-7 whereas verse 22:8 is the antithesis to 1:17

Rev1:1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. 3Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near.
Parallel to Rev 1:1-3

Rev 22:6And he said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place.”
7“And behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”

Rev 1:17When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last,
Antithesis to Rev 1:17

Rev:228I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me, 9but he said to me, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”


I have said more than once that other angels participated in some of the scenes. However, in each case, it was under the direction of the one angel sent to John in Rev 1:1. We know this because of how Rev 22:1 begins:

Rev 22:1 (ESV): Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth,

The one angel sent to John showed John every supernatural scene in Rev. John acknowledged that every time he used “I heard” and “I saw.”
Rev 1 actually says this: 1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place...
It is Christ Himself who shows everything through His angels. I've come to believe that the term "his angel" may very well be a generic term used whenever He sends an angel.
So, my question then is what is the first thing the angel said and showed?

There are at least three instances in scenes where John hears “Come …”

It wasn’t intended for him in Rev 4:1 because Rev 4:1-2 prove that John was merely writing what will take place in that scene, upon its fulfillment.

Rev 21-22 are a wrap up of what will take place to completely fulfill Rev. Is it we who will be in John’s place upon the fulfillment of Rev 21-22?
Of course it was intended for John, otherwise the angel would have been sent to the one it was intended for.
 
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The parallel verse to Rev 1:1-3 is 22:6-7 whereas verse 22:8 is the antithesis to 1:17

Rev1:1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. 3Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near.
Parallel to Rev 1:1-3

Rev 22:6And he said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place.”
7“And behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”

Rev 1:17When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last,
Antithesis to Rev 1:17

Rev:228I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me, 9but he said to me, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”



Rev 1 actually says this: 1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place...
It is Christ Himself who shows everything through His angels. I've come to believe that the term "his angel" may very well be a generic term used whenever He sends an angel.
So, my question then is what is the first thing the angel said and showed?


Of course it was intended for John, otherwise the angel would have been sent to the one it was intended for.
Rev 4:1-2 prove you wrong.

Rev 4:1-2 (ESV): After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” 2 At once I was in the Spirit, and behold, a throne stood in heaven, with one seated on the throne.

When John was first shown a supernatural scene by the one angel (Rev 1:12-16), he acknowledged that by using the phrases "I heard" and/or "I saw" or obvious derivations of same, such as "and behold." John used those phrases to acknowledged that he was writing about a new supernatural scene being shown to him by the one angel.

Therefore, in Rev 4:1-2 we have proof that John stayed on Patmos when being shown Rev 4:1-2, because he was clearly writing about a new supernatural scene that was being shown to him by the one angel.

Therefore, Rev 4:1 remains unfulfilled, as it's the pre-Trib rapture of the Church just before the 7-year Trib.
 
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Rev 4:1-2 prove you wrong.

Rev 4:1-2 (ESV): After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” 2 At once I was in the Spirit, and behold, a throne stood in heaven, with one seated on the throne.

When John was first shown a supernatural scene by the one angel (Rev 1:12-16), he acknowledged that by using the phrases "I heard" and/or "I saw" or obvious derivations of same, such as "and behold." John used those phrases to acknowledged that he was writing about a new supernatural scene being shown to him by the one angel.

Therefore, in Rev 4:1-2 we have proof that John stayed on Patmos when being shown Rev 4:1-2, because he was clearly writing about a new supernatural scene that was being shown to him by the one angel.

Therefore, Rev 4:1 remains unfulfilled, as it's the pre-Trib rapture of the Church just before the 7-year Trib.
The first thing John heard while "in the Spirit" Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet.
which is the same voice he turned around to see and the same voice of Rev 4:1.
In your view, who's voice is it?

Why would you call it the "pre-Trib" rapture when the resurrection, judgement, change and victory over death come first? Then comes the meeting in the air.
 
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The first thing John heard while "in the Spirit" Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet.
which is the same voice he turned around to see and the same voice of Rev 4:1.
In your view, who's voice is it?

Why would you call it the "pre-Trib" rapture when the resurrection, judgement, change and victory over death come first? Then comes the meeting in the air.
First, John was on Patmos, under the direction of an angel who will show John ALL supernatural scenes needed to write Rev.

What does “in the spirit” mean in the context above?
 
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The first thing John heard while "in the Spirit" Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet.
which is the same voice he turned around to see and the same voice of Rev 4:1.
In your view, who's voice is it?

Why would you call it the "pre-Trib" rapture when the resurrection, judgement, change and victory over death come first? Then comes the meeting in the air.
The pre-Trib rapture is the rapture of the Church that occurs before the 7-year Trib. Jesus said so in Rev 3:10.

The 7-year Trib begins in Rev 6:1-2. The rapture occurs in Rev 4:1, as the pre-Trib rapture.

Upon the rapture, 1 Th 4:16, 1 Cor 15:52 and 1 Th 4:17 work together within the context of instant fulfillment.

Other verses that are instantly fulfilled are 1 Th 1:10, John 14:3, 2 Th 2:1-3, Acts 1:11 and Rev 3:10.

What did John mean by “in the spirit” in Rev 1:10? He was on Patmos under the guidance of one angel sent by God to reveal to John the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

That one angel would reveal all of Rev to John by way of supernatural scenes that would appear before John (starting in Rev 1:10–16) and allow him to write about what he was seeing and hearing.
 
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The pre-Trib rapture is the rapture of the Church that occurs before the 7-year Trib. Jesus said so in Rev 3:10.

The 7-year Trib begins in Rev 6:1-2. The rapture occurs in Rev 4:1, as the pre-Trib rapture.

Upon the rapture, 1 Th 4:16, 1 Cor 15:52 and 1 Th 4:17 work together within the context of instant fulfillment.

Other verses that are instantly fulfilled are 1 Th 1:10, John 14:3, 2 Th 2:1-3, Acts 1:11 and Rev 3:10.
There is neither a 7 year tribulation nor a pre trib Resurrection, Judgement and rapture anywhere found in scripture. Jesus said the resurrection and judgement happen on the last day. The rapture happens after that. That's what what "raised first" 1Th4:16 "then" which means afterwards and "we who are alive and remain" and the future tense "will be" means. 1Th 4:17

What does "about to" mean? Particularly in Rev 3:10 and 10:4.


Revelation 1:19 V-PIA-3S
GRK: καὶ ἃ μέλλει γενέσθαι μετὰ
KJV: the things which shall be
INT: and the things which are about to take place after

Revelation 2:10 V-PIA-2S
GRK: φοβοῦ ἃ μέλλεις πάσχειν ἰδοὺ
NAS: what you are about to suffer.
KJV: of those things which thou shalt suffer:
INT: fear the things which you are about to suffer Behold

Revelation 2:10 V-PIA-3S
GRK: πάσχειν ἰδοὺ μέλλει βάλλειν ὁ
NAS: the devil is about to cast
KJV: behold, the devil shall cast [some] of
INT: to suffer Behold is about to cast the

Revelation 3:2 V-IIA-3P
GRK: λοιπὰ ἃ ἔμελλον ἀποθανεῖν οὐ
NAS: which were about to die;
KJV: that are ready to die:
INT: that remain which are about to die not

Revelation 3:10 V-PPA-GFS
GRK: πειρασμοῦ τῆς μελλούσης ἔρχεσθαι ἐπὶ
NAS: of testing, that [hour] which is about to come
KJV: which shall come upon
INT: of trial which [is] about to come upon


Revelation 3:16 V-PIA-1S
GRK: οὔτε ψυχρός μέλλω σε ἐμέσαι
NAS: cold, I will spit
KJV: nor hot, I will spue thee
INT: nor cold I am about you to spit

Revelation 6:11 V-PPA-NMP
GRK: αὐτῶν οἱ μέλλοντες ἀποκτέννεσθαι ὡς
KJV: brethren, that should be killed
INT: of them those being about to be killed as

Revelation 8:13 V-PPA-GMP
GRK: ἀγγέλων τῶν μελλόντων σαλπίζειν
NAS: angels who are about to sound!
KJV: angels, which are yet to sound!
INT: angels who [are] about to sound [their] trumpets

Revelation 10:4 V-IIA-1S
GRK: ἑπτὰ βρονταί ἤμελλον γράφειν καὶ
NAS: had spoken, I was about to write;
KJV: voices, I was about to write:
INT: seven thunders I was about to write but


Revelation 10:7 V-PSA-3S
GRK: ἀγγέλου ὅταν μέλλῃ σαλπίζειν καὶ
NAS: angel, when he is about to sound, then
KJV: angel, when he shall begin to sound,
INT: angel when he is about to sound [the] trumpet also

Revelation 12:4 V-PPA-GFS
GRK: γυναικὸς τῆς μελλούσης τεκεῖν ἵνα
NAS: the woman who was about to give
KJV: which was ready to be delivered,
INT: woman who is about to bring forth that

Revelation 12:5 V-PIA-3S
GRK: ἄρσεν ὃς μέλλει ποιμαίνειν πάντα
KJV: child, who was to rule all
INT: male who is about to shepherd all

Revelation 17:8 V-PIA-3S
GRK: ἔστιν καὶ μέλλει ἀναβαίνειν ἐκ
NAS: that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come
KJV: not; and shall ascend out of
INT: is and is about to come up out of
What did John mean by “in the spirit” in Rev 1:10? He was on Patmos under the guidance of one angel sent by God to reveal to John the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
What this is not, are the commands and encouragements to walk by the Spirit as in the following and many other verses:

Galatians 5:16But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. (The command to "walk by the Spirit")
Romans 8:4so that the righteous standard of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.

So then, what is this particular "gift of the Spirit" whereby prophets and Apostles are said to be "in the Spirit"?
Let's start with Peter and we can see that there is no command to walk by the Spirit, but a complete taking over by the Spirit.


Peter 2:20knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. 21For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

From Daniel and Ezekiel, we learn that visions are seen only by the prophets and come from the mind and are not visible to the eye.

Daniel 10:7And I, Daniel, alone saw the vision, for the men who were with me did not see the vision, but a great trembling fell upon them, and they fled to hide themselves.

Ezekiel 8:1In the sixth year, in the sixth month, on the fifth day of the month, as I sat in my house, with the elders of Judah sitting before me, the hand of the Lord God fell upon me there. 2Then I looked, and behold, a form that had the appearance of a man. Below what appeared to be his waist was fire, and above his waist was something like the appearance of brightness, like gleaming metal.

That one angel would reveal all of Rev to John by way of supernatural scenes that would appear before John (starting in Rev 1:10–16) and allow him to write about what he was seeing and hearing.
Then it's the same angel with the loud voice like a trumpet" in Rev 4:1 telling John to "come up here."
 
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There is neither a 7 year tribulation nor a pre trib Resurrection, Judgement and rapture anywhere found in scripture. Jesus said the resurrection and judgement happen on the last day. The rapture happens after that. That's what what "raised first" 1Th4:16 "then" which means afterwards and "we who are alive and remain" and the future tense "will be" means. 1Th 4:17

What does "about to" mean? Particularly in Rev 3:10 and 10:4.


Revelation 1:19 V-PIA-3S
GRK: καὶ ἃ μέλλει γενέσθαι μετὰ
KJV: the things which shall be
INT: and the things which are about to take place after

Revelation 2:10 V-PIA-2S
GRK: φοβοῦ ἃ μέλλεις πάσχειν ἰδοὺ
NAS: what you are about to suffer.
KJV: of those things which thou shalt suffer:
INT: fear the things which you are about to suffer Behold

Revelation 2:10 V-PIA-3S
GRK: πάσχειν ἰδοὺ μέλλει βάλλειν ὁ
NAS: the devil is about to cast
KJV: behold, the devil shall cast [some] of
INT: to suffer Behold is about to cast the

Revelation 3:2 V-IIA-3P
GRK: λοιπὰ ἃ ἔμελλον ἀποθανεῖν οὐ
NAS: which were about to die;
KJV: that are ready to die:
INT: that remain which are about to die not

Revelation 3:10 V-PPA-GFS
GRK: πειρασμοῦ τῆς μελλούσης ἔρχεσθαι ἐπὶ
NAS: of testing, that [hour] which is about to come
KJV: which shall come upon
INT: of trial which [is] about to come upon


Revelation 3:16 V-PIA-1S
GRK: οὔτε ψυχρός μέλλω σε ἐμέσαι
NAS: cold, I will spit
KJV: nor hot, I will spue thee
INT: nor cold I am about you to spit

Revelation 6:11 V-PPA-NMP
GRK: αὐτῶν οἱ μέλλοντες ἀποκτέννεσθαι ὡς
KJV: brethren, that should be killed
INT: of them those being about to be killed as

Revelation 8:13 V-PPA-GMP
GRK: ἀγγέλων τῶν μελλόντων σαλπίζειν
NAS: angels who are about to sound!
KJV: angels, which are yet to sound!
INT: angels who [are] about to sound [their] trumpets

Revelation 10:4 V-IIA-1S
GRK: ἑπτὰ βρονταί ἤμελλον γράφειν καὶ
NAS: had spoken, I was about to write;
KJV: voices, I was about to write:
INT: seven thunders I was about to write but


Revelation 10:7 V-PSA-3S
GRK: ἀγγέλου ὅταν μέλλῃ σαλπίζειν καὶ
NAS: angel, when he is about to sound, then
KJV: angel, when he shall begin to sound,
INT: angel when he is about to sound [the] trumpet also

Revelation 12:4 V-PPA-GFS
GRK: γυναικὸς τῆς μελλούσης τεκεῖν ἵνα
NAS: the woman who was about to give
KJV: which was ready to be delivered,
INT: woman who is about to bring forth that

Revelation 12:5 V-PIA-3S
GRK: ἄρσεν ὃς μέλλει ποιμαίνειν πάντα
KJV: child, who was to rule all
INT: male who is about to shepherd all

Revelation 17:8 V-PIA-3S
GRK: ἔστιν καὶ μέλλει ἀναβαίνειν ἐκ
NAS: that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come
KJV: not; and shall ascend out of
INT: is and is about to come up out of

What this is not, are the commands and encouragements to walk by the Spirit as in the following and many other verses:

Galatians 5:16But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. (The command to "walk by the Spirit")
Romans 8:4so that the righteous standard of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.

So then, what is this particular "gift of the Spirit" whereby prophets and Apostles are said to be "in the Spirit"?
Let's start with Peter and we can see that there is no command to walk by the Spirit, but a complete taking over by the Spirit.


Peter 2:20knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. 21For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

From Daniel and Ezekiel, we learn that visions are seen only by the prophets and come from the mind and are not visible to the eye.

Daniel 10:7And I, Daniel, alone saw the vision, for the men who were with me did not see the vision, but a great trembling fell upon them, and they fled to hide themselves.

Ezekiel 8:1In the sixth year, in the sixth month, on the fifth day of the month, as I sat in my house, with the elders of Judah sitting before me, the hand of the Lord God fell upon me there. 2Then I looked, and behold, a form that had the appearance of a man. Below what appeared to be his waist was fire, and above his waist was something like the appearance of brightness, like gleaming metal.


Then it's the same angel with the loud voice like a trumpet" in Rev 4:1 telling John to "come up here."
The Trib starts in Rev 6:1-2 and it ends in Matt 24:29, just before the 2nd Advent. All manner of time analyses prove the Trib is about seven consecutive years long. You have no proof to the contrary.

You have not defined “in the spirit.” In Rev 1:10-16, John is on Patmos being shown the first supernatural vision of Rev. John records, in writing, his account of what he heard and saw. “In the spirit” clearly means “having rapt attention on Godly matters.”

Jesus promised in Rev 3:10 to keep us from “the hour of trial.” Jesus added that only “those who dwell on the earth” will be tried by God’s 21 judgments of wrath (Rev 6-16). “Those who dwell on the earth,” in the context of the Trib, are proven to be unbelievers.

Acts 1:11 (ESV): and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”

Acts 1:11 is about the same “way,” not the same location. Jesus ascended in the view of believers, only.

In 1 Th 4:16-17, Jesus will descend in the view of believers, only. After we are taken up into heavenly clouds (verse 17) to meet Jesus in the air, we will see Jesus descend into our view in the complete fulfillment of Acts 1:11.

There are no circumstances after the pre-Trib context wherein Jesus could descend in the view of believers, only. This is most notably true of Matt 24:30 because Jesus will be in full view of the entire world upon the 2nd Advent. Therefore, 1 Th 4:16-17 can only occur pre-Trib and as they are prophesied to do in Acts 1:11.
 
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The Trib starts in Rev 6:1-2 and it ends in Matt 24:29, just before the 2nd Advent. All manner of time analyses prove the Trib is about seven consecutive years long. You have no proof to the contrary.

You have not defined “in the spirit.” In Rev 1:10-16, John is on Patmos being shown the first supernatural vision of Rev. John records, in writing, his account of what he heard and saw. “In the spirit” clearly means “having rapt attention on Godly matters.”

Jesus promised in Rev 3:10 to keep us from “the hour of trial.” Jesus added that only “those who dwell on the earth” will be tried by God’s 21 judgments of wrath (Rev 6-16). “Those who dwell on the earth,” in the context of the Trib, are proven to be unbelievers.

Acts 1:11 (ESV): and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”

Acts 1:11 is about the same “way,” not the same location. Jesus ascended in the view of believers, only.

In 1 Th 4:16-17, Jesus will descend in the view of believers, only. After we are taken up into heavenly clouds (verse 17) to meet Jesus in the air, we will see Jesus descend into our view in the complete fulfillment of Acts 1:11.

There are no circumstances after the pre-Trib context wherein Jesus could descend in the view of believers, only. This is most notably true of Matt 24:30 because Jesus will be in full view of the entire world upon the 2nd Advent. Therefore, 1 Th 4:16-17 can only occur pre-Trib and as they are prophesied to do in Acts 1:11.
Here’s the last day. Why didn’t you cite this? You’re stuck on the OT.

1 Th 5:2-3 {ESV): For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

That’s the end of civilization as we know it. The 7-year Trib then starts. The “labor pains” above are related to the early seal judgments. These verses cross reference with Matt 24:4-8 (NLT): 4 Jesus told them, “Don’t let anyone mislead you,5 for many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah.’ They will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and threats of wars, but don’t panic. Yes, these things must take place, but the end won’t follow immediately. 7 Nation will go to war against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in many parts of the world. 8 But all this is only the first of the birth pains, with more to come.

That’s what occurs after Rev 4:1 takes us to Heaven.
 
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The Trib starts in Rev 6:1-2 and it ends in Matt 24:29, just before the 2nd Advent. All manner of time analyses prove the Trib is about seven consecutive years long. You have no proof to the contrary.

You have not defined “in the spirit.” In Rev 1:10-16, John is on Patmos being shown the first supernatural vision of Rev. John records, in writing, his account of what he heard and saw. “In the spirit” clearly means “having rapt attention on Godly matters.”

Jesus promised in Rev 3:10 to keep us from “the hour of trial.” Jesus added that only “those who dwell on the earth” will be tried by God’s 21 judgments of wrath (Rev 6-16). “Those who dwell on the earth,” in the context of the Trib, are proven to be unbelievers.

Acts 1:11 (ESV): and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”

Acts 1:11 is about the same “way,” not the same location. Jesus ascended in the view of believers, only.

In 1 Th 4:16-17, Jesus will descend in the view of believers, only. After we are taken up into heavenly clouds (verse 17) to meet Jesus in the air, we will see Jesus descend into our view in the complete fulfillment of Acts 1:11.

There are no circumstances after the pre-Trib context wherein Jesus could descend in the view of believers, only. This is most notably true of Matt 24:30 because Jesus will be in full view of the entire world upon the 2nd Advent. Therefore, 1 Th 4:16-17 can only occur pre-Trib and as they are prophesied to do in Acts 1:11.
Which definition do you use for "rapt"? From both the Online Dictionary and Collins English Dictionary followed by Websters New World Dictionary.
I go with number 4 in Online and Collins who use the same definition and #1 in Websters.
(ræpt)
adjective
1. deeply engrossed or absorbed
a rapt listener
2. transported with emotion; enraptured
rapt with joy
3. showing or proceeding from rapture
a rapt smile
4. carried off spiritually to another place, sphere of existence, etc

Webster’s New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition. Copyright © 2010 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. All rights reserved.
(ræpt)
adjective
1. Rare carried away in body or spirit (to heaven, etc.)
2. carried away with joy, love, etc.; enraptured
3. completely absorbed or engrossed (in meditation, study, etc.)
4. resulting from or showing rapture
a rapt look

Word origin
L raptus, pp. of rapere, to snatch, seize:

Revelation gives us examples of those definitions. Your definition is from your own interpretation and that's why you don't believe the following verses as stated, but rather you attempt to explain them away.

In Rev 4:1 the "voice of a trumpet" which you claim is the angel of Rev 1:10 who tells John to "come up here", and in the next verse John is before the throne in heaven. How did he get there?
Rev 17:And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 21:10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God,

As to Acts 1:11, the context begins with Acts 1: 9And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight.(He is now out of their sight, they can't see Him anymore) 10And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, (Then after Jesus is taken into heaven in a cloud out of their sight) behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.(They saw Him go into heaven in a cloud out of their sight, it doesn't say: "as you saw Him go into the cloud) This is exactly the same thing as coming as a thief in the night. No one sees the thief coming, they see that their goods are gone.)

I've already proven from scripture that there is no "7 year tribulation", but I'll add some clearly stated scripture to the fact of a 3.5year great tribulation (Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Rev 11:2. Rev 11:2, Rev 12:6.Rev 13:15,
You have ZERO verses that say there's a 7 year tribulation. What you've done is take Messiah the Prince who was the "prince who is to come" to make a covenant with many for 1 week and replaced Him with the "antichrist". Jesus said He would send the Holy Spirit who would lead them into all truth and understand of things to come never mentioned anything about a covenant made by antichrist. And Paul said he taught nothing other than what Moses and the prophets said would come, never mentioned it either. It was Jesus who would make a covenant with many for one week.


There are no circumstances after the pre-Trib context wherein Jesus could descend in the view of believers, only. This is most notably true of Matt 24:30 because Jesus will be in full view of the entire world upon the 2nd Advent. Therefore, 1 Th 4:16-17 can only occur pre-Trib and as they are prophesied to do in Acts 1:11.
Jesus told the Sanhedrin who were responsible for murdering Him the following:
Matthew 26: 63But Jesus remained silent. And the high priest said to him, “I adjure you by the living God, tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.” 64Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.65Then the high priest tore his robes and said, “He has uttered blasphemy. What further witnesses do we need? You have now heard his blasphemy. 66What is your judgment?” They answered, “He deserves death.” 67Then they spit in his face and struck him. And some slapped him, 68saying, “Prophesy to us, you Christ! Who is it that struck you?”
 
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Which definition do you use for "rapt"? From both the Online Dictionary and Collins English Dictionary followed by Websters New World Dictionary.
I go with number 4 in Online and Collins who use the same definition and #1 in Websters.
(ræpt)
adjective
1. deeply engrossed or absorbed
a rapt listener
2. transported with emotion; enraptured
rapt with joy
3. showing or proceeding from rapture
a rapt smile
4. carried off spiritually to another place, sphere of existence, etc

Webster’s New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition. Copyright © 2010 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. All rights reserved.
(ræpt)
adjective
1. Rare carried away in body or spirit (to heaven, etc.)
2. carried away with joy, love, etc.; enraptured
3. completely absorbed or engrossed (in meditation, study, etc.)
4. resulting from or showing rapture
a rapt look

Word origin
L raptus, pp. of rapere, to snatch, seize:

Revelation gives us examples of those definitions. Your definition is from your own interpretation and that's why you don't believe the following verses as stated, but rather you attempt to explain them away.

In Rev 4:1 the "voice of a trumpet" which you claim is the angel of Rev 1:10 who tells John to "come up here", and in the next verse John is before the throne in heaven. How did he get there?
Rev 17:And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 21:10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God,

As to Acts 1:11, the context begins with Acts 1: 9And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight.(He is now out of their sight, they can't see Him anymore) 10And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, (Then after Jesus is taken into heaven in a cloud out of their sight) behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.(They saw Him go into heaven in a cloud out of their sight, it doesn't say: "as you saw Him go into the cloud) This is exactly the same thing as coming as a thief in the night. No one sees the thief coming, they see that their goods are gone.)

I've already proven from scripture that there is no "7 year tribulation", but I'll add some clearly stated scripture to the fact of a 3.5year great tribulation (Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Rev 11:2. Rev 11:2, Rev 12:6.Rev 13:15,
You have ZERO verses that say there's a 7 year tribulation. What you've done is take Messiah the Prince who was the "prince who is to come" to make a covenant with many for 1 week and replaced Him with the "antichrist". Jesus said He would send the Holy Spirit who would lead them into all truth and understand of things to come never mentioned anything about a covenant made by antichrist. And Paul said he taught nothing other than what Moses and the prophets said would come, never mentioned it either. It was Jesus who would make a covenant with many for one week.



Jesus told the Sanhedrin who were responsible for murdering Him the following:
Matthew 26: 63But Jesus remained silent. And the high priest said to him, “I adjure you by the living God, tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.” 64Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.65Then the high priest tore his robes and said, “He has uttered blasphemy. What further witnesses do we need? You have now heard his blasphemy. 66What is your judgment?” They answered, “He deserves death.” 67Then they spit in his face and struck him. And some slapped him, 68saying, “Prophesy to us, you Christ! Who is it that struck you?”
Ed, the Trib is in Scripture in Rev 6:1-2 through Rev 16. How long is it from Rev 6:1-2 through Rev 16?
 
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Which definition do you use for "rapt"? From both the Online Dictionary and Collins English Dictionary followed by Websters New World Dictionary.
I go with number 4 in Online and Collins who use the same definition and #1 in Websters.
(ræpt)
adjective
1. deeply engrossed or absorbed
a rapt listener
2. transported with emotion; enraptured
rapt with joy
3. showing or proceeding from rapture
a rapt smile
4. carried off spiritually to another place, sphere of existence, etc

Webster’s New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition. Copyright © 2010 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. All rights reserved.
(ræpt)
adjective
1. Rare carried away in body or spirit (to heaven, etc.)
2. carried away with joy, love, etc.; enraptured
3. completely absorbed or engrossed (in meditation, study, etc.)
4. resulting from or showing rapture
a rapt look

Word origin
L raptus, pp. of rapere, to snatch, seize:

Revelation gives us examples of those definitions. Your definition is from your own interpretation and that's why you don't believe the following verses as stated, but rather you attempt to explain them away.

In Rev 4:1 the "voice of a trumpet" which you claim is the angel of Rev 1:10 who tells John to "come up here", and in the next verse John is before the throne in heaven. How did he get there?
Rev 17:And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 21:10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God,

As to Acts 1:11, the context begins with Acts 1: 9And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight.(He is now out of their sight, they can't see Him anymore) 10And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, (Then after Jesus is taken into heaven in a cloud out of their sight) behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.(They saw Him go into heaven in a cloud out of their sight, it doesn't say: "as you saw Him go into the cloud) This is exactly the same thing as coming as a thief in the night. No one sees the thief coming, they see that their goods are gone.)

I've already proven from scripture that there is no "7 year tribulation", but I'll add some clearly stated scripture to the fact of a 3.5year great tribulation (Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Rev 11:2. Rev 11:2, Rev 12:6.Rev 13:15,
You have ZERO verses that say there's a 7 year tribulation. What you've done is take Messiah the Prince who was the "prince who is to come" to make a covenant with many for 1 week and replaced Him with the "antichrist". Jesus said He would send the Holy Spirit who would lead them into all truth and understand of things to come never mentioned anything about a covenant made by antichrist. And Paul said he taught nothing other than what Moses and the prophets said would come, never mentioned it either. It was Jesus who would make a covenant with many for one week.



Jesus told the Sanhedrin who were responsible for murdering Him the following:
Matthew 26: 63But Jesus remained silent. And the high priest said to him, “I adjure you by the living God, tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.” 64Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.65Then the high priest tore his robes and said, “He has uttered blasphemy. What further witnesses do we need? You have now heard his blasphemy. 66What is your judgment?” They answered, “He deserves death.” 67Then they spit in his face and struck him. And some slapped him, 68saying, “Prophesy to us, you Christ! Who is it that struck you?”
Daniel 9:27 (NIV): He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”

One “seven” is seven consecutive years. Proof follows.

In Daniel 9:27, “He” is the AC who is front and center in the first seal (Rev 6:1-2). Upon this first revelation of the AC, a period of one “seven” begins (Daniel 9:27).

Rev 6-16 are summarized in Matt 24. Therefore, both references clarify each other.

In the “middle” of the one “seven” (Daniel 9:27), that same “abomination” is mentioned in Matt 24:15-16 (ESV): “So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Daniel 9:27 says the “middle” of the “seven” is what occurs at Matt 24:15-16 because both references cite the same abomination.

This is what occurs in Rev shortly before the “middle” of the one “seven.” Rev 11:2-3 (ESV): but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months.3 And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

Upon the abomination in Daniel 9:27 and Matt 24:15, pandemonium occurs. The holy city is trampled and inhabitants of Jerusalem flee.

Shortly before Matt 24:15, periods of 42 months and 1,260 days begin in Rev 11:2-3. Both equal 3.5 years. Those periods begin just before the “middle” of the one “seven.” (before Matt 24:15-16) of the Trib.

3.5 years of God’s wrath were just completed in the seven seals (Rev 6) and the seven trumpets (beginning in Rev 8). Next to occur are the 3.5 years of the bowl judgments.

Jesus explains the tremendously increased severity of the wrath of God in the second half of the 7-year Trib, in Matt 24:21-22 (ESV): For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

Jesus was referring to the bowl judgments (Rev 16) that occur exclusively in the second 3.5 years of the Trib. We know this because the trumpet judgments end in Rev 11:15 (7th trumpet). That means the bowl judgments occur exclusively in the second 3.5 years.

The Trib is proven to be one “seven” being seven consecutive years with two distinctive halves of 3.5 years each. The “middle of the ‘seven’” (Daniel 9:27) is the abomination in Matt 24:15. Shortly before that “middle,” Rev 11:2-3 occur, beginning two consecutive periods of 3.5 years. The first half of the Trib (3.5 years) are the seal and trumpet judgments (the 7th trumpet ends at Rev 11:15). That means only the bowl judgments (“great tribulation” in Matt 24:21) occur in the second half for about 3.5 years.
 
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