You're answering a year later? I reconcile the Qur'an with the Bible the same way you reconcile the Old Testament with the New.
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You're answering a year later? I reconcile the Qur'an with the Bible the same way you reconcile the Old Testament with the New.
Thanks, I've been way busy lately but it is good to see you're still around.Oi...what are you doing here?? Was thinking of you earlier today. How's tricks, stranger?
Great to 'see' you again....by the way
Thanks, I've been way busy lately but it is good to see you're still around.
There is no contradiction in TORAH, PROPHETS, PSALMS, TANAKH, NEW TESTAMENT.If you see contradictions between the Tanakh and the new testament of the Bible, alright, but I don't see such that I wouldn't see how they are resolved. I don't decide between them because I believe what is shown from all of the Bible.
All people need light, and yet there is a darkness still for many, Jesus is the Light, as he said, that is needed for that darkness that many are in. Such Light has what the Bible is teaching shown, so corruption of what is to be understood is overcome, the Spirit guiding those who are believing, rather than angels being here for that. We still may have many problems yet, but Yahweh is gracious, we don't have to be overcome with our problems. Still there are many making bad choices. Yahweh is not willing that any should perish, but all with knowing of God need to come to repentance.
smaneck said:I reconcile the Qur'an with the Bible the same way you reconcile the Old Testament with the New.
yeshuaslavejeff said:There is no contradiction in TORAH, PROPHETS, PSALMS, TANAKH, NEW TESTAMENT.
Any devilish attempt to make a conflict is just that, and is deceptive from the core/ start.
YHWH is Perfect in His Plan, Purpose, and Salvation in Y'SHUA MESSIAH,
and
warns wonderfully that no other way, no other religion, works nor gives any life at all, only death from them.
As a person who practices Judaism, I'd probably tell you that Jesus doesn't fit the Hebrew scriptures in either, but I imagine you know that'd be my position.
Who is that then ?
Psalm 22[a]
For the director of music. To the tune of “The Doe of the Morning.” A psalm of David.
1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.[b]
3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the one Israel praises.[c]
4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried out and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not put to shame.
6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
“let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him.”
9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.
12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15 My mouth[d] is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.
16 Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce[e] my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.
19 But you, Lord, do not be far from me.
You are my strength; come quickly to help me.
20 Deliver me from the sword,
my precious life from the power of the dogs.
21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
save me from the horns of the wild oxen.
22 I will declare your name to my people;
in the assembly I will praise you.
23 You who fear the Lord, praise him!
All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
24 For he has not despised or scorned
the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
but has listened to his cry for help.
25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
before those who fear you[f] I will fulfill my vows.
26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
those who seek the Lord will praise him—
may your hearts live forever!
27 All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the Lord,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him,
28 for dominion belongs to the Lord
and he rules over the nations.
29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
those who cannot keep themselves alive.
30 Posterity will serve him;
future generations will be told about the Lord.
31 They will proclaim his righteousness,
declaring to a people yet unborn:
He has done it!
Why do birds suddenly appear-- sorry, wrong thread for that one.
Muhammad still exists through his message ... Muhammad called us to believe in the Christ and that he is the way to god but it is not the only one...Mohammad is another way to reach god with the continuity to believe in the ChristJesus Christ had the audacity to say...
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John 14:6
I would not want to try eternity without him! If the Bible has it right, then the three-time heavyweight boxing champion is now coping with something far, far worse than Parkinson's disease.
David
It isn't a prophecy. What's there to fulfill? It's describing David's life.David doesn't fullfill all of psalm 22 but Jesus does.
It isn't a prophecy. What's there to fulfill? It's describing David's life.
16 Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce[e] my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.
they pierce[e] my hands and my feet.
thats describing the cruxcifiction. When did that happen to David ?
12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
27 Then the governor’s soldiers took Jesus into the Praetorium and gathered the whole company of soldiers around him.
the soldiers were Arabic Syrians from the area of bashan who encircled Jesus.
Because the Roman empire was stretched so far they used local recruitment under Roman leadership
THere is so much detail in Psalm 22 for christians who know scripture that is amazing when it was written.
Can you show me where psalms 22: 16,17,18 happen to david ? Just for a start.
16 Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce[e] my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.
they pierce[e] my hands and my feet.
thats describing the cruxcifiction. When did that happen to David ?
Robban pointed out the second possible translation, however, David constantly describes his enemies as animals that are attacking him. This is not out of sync with plenty of other Psalms.
Well I can't help being suspicious about this. It is dropping "they pierce"
It really doesn't fit with verses 17,18 when its changed.
Matthew
46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”)
On the cross Christ is referencing the first verse of psalm 22
1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
which at the end of psalm 22 ends in victory for the lord.
pslam 22
18 They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.
Did this happen to David ?
Many of the verses seem to point to what Christ went through on the cross.
Well I can't help being suspicious about this. It is dropping "they pierce"
It really doesn't fit with verses 17,18 when its changed.
Matthew
46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”)
On the cross Christ is referencing the first verse of psalm 22
1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
which at the end of psalm 22 ends in victory for the lord.
pslam 22
18 They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.
Did this happen to David ?
Many of the verses seem to point to what Christ went through on the cross.