Where is hell in a round earth?

[Radrook]

So the concept of hell suddenly disappeared from the Bible when it was translated into English? According to you how did "hell" get into the Bible? My view is that the Jews before and at the time of Jesus believed in a place of unending fiery punishment, they called it both Sheol and Gehinnom. Jesus and His first disciples were Jews living in Israel. When Jesus taught "eternal punishment,""hades where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die" etc. it did not refute the Jewish belief.

According to this source sheol to the pre-NT Hebrews was the common grave or a place of darkness totally devoid of all human activity or thought.
Sheol Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary


What is Sheol? What is Hades?—Meaning of Bible Terms | Bible Teach

 

[Joshua_5]

Are the moon and Sun flat also?

Have you evidence to suggest they are not?

 

[JackRT]

How about the argument that pilots don't detect the horizon dipping as it should dip if earth were round?

The ability of the eye to discern the earth's curvature improves with altitude above the surface. The reason for this is that the distance to the horizon increases with altitude and with a greater length of horizon visible the curvature is more easily detected.

 

[JackRT]

Doesn't pear-shaped require it to be narrower at the top [north pole] and wider at the bottom [south pole]?

Correct! However the radial differences are so small that if the earth were reduced to the size of a marble, you would need a microscope to detect them.

 

[Dennis1209]

There are none so blind as those who can not see. It takes work to be willingly ignorant comes to mind reading a few of these responses.

Why can't we just take God's Word for everything? Isa. 40:22 (KJV) It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth... [emphasis mine]
I don't see the word pancake, ironing board or flat in there. Just as sailors in medieval times thought they would sail off the flat earth, there's some here that's still on board?

How did satan show all the kingdoms of earth on high? Take a piece of paper with pencil, draw three stick people and a circle on that paper representing a three dimensional hole in their two dimensional world. Explain to them that additional dimension they can't see nor understand. We live in more than three dimensions.

Where is Hell? Based on scripture, I believe it's evident Hell is in the earth. It's a temporary holding tank if you will, until the great White Throne Judgement, when the damned will then be condemned to the Lake of Fire and Brimstone forever and ever. Which I believe is still further down in the earth.

 

[Radrook]

There are none so blind as those who can not see. It takes work to be willingly ignorant comes to mind reading a few of these responses.

Why can't we just take God's Word for everything? Isa. 40:22 (KJV) It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth... [emphasis mine]
I don't see the word pancake, ironing board or flat in there. Just as sailors in medieval times thought they would sail off the flat earth, there's some here that's still on board?

How did satan show all the kingdoms of earth on high? Take a piece of paper with pencil, draw three stick people and a circle on that paper representing a three dimensional hole in their two dimensional world. Explain to them that additional dimension they can't see nor understand. We live in more than three dimensions.

Where is Hell? Based on scripture, I believe it's evident Hell is in the earth. It's a temporary holding tank if you will, until the great White Throne Judgement, when the damned will then be condemned to the Lake of Fire and Brimstone forever and ever. Which I believe is still further down in the earth.

A special place created just to roast people alive forever?
That is some really strange sadistic personage you are describing there amigo. One that if indeed real would not deserve to be imitated nor admired and least of all, not worshipped.

 

[JackRT]

A special place created just to roast people alive forever?
That is some really strange sadistic personage you are describing there amigo. One that if indeed real would not deserve to be imitated nor admired and least of all, not worshipped.

As human beings we are bounded in both time and place. That is to say, we are finite. On the other hand we think of God as completely unbounded. God exists outside of both time and space. God is present everywhere and at all times. That is to say, God is infinite. This is the orthodox theistic understanding of God. To compare the finite to the infinite is beyond our human comprehension. Even to compare a grain of sand to Mount Everest falls far, far, far short. All of this brings up a number of questions in my mind.

The first question being “How is it even possible for a finite creature to offend an infinite God?” Could a grain of sand offend Mount Everest?

The second question being “If it were possible for the finite to offend the infinite, would the infinite punishment of a finite creature be just?” I will attempt to craft an analogy. You are in a park enjoying a picnic lunch when you glance down and notice an ant crawling across your sandwich. You are offended. How do you react? You have a number of options. You could ignore the ant. You could brush the ant away. You could move to a different location. You could kill the ant. You could kill the entire ant colony. You could capture the ant and confine it and proceed to torture it for several weeks until it finally dies. That last option is quite inadequate as a comparison to hell because hell is infinite in duration whereas the ant can only be tortured for a finite length of time.

To me the concept of hell flies in the face of any concept of a just and compassionate God. Hell would seem to be an entirely human invention based on a vindictive concept of retributory justice. Perhaps we have the wrong idea of hell. Perhaps we have the wrong idea of justice. Perhaps we have the wrong idea of God. I completely reject the concept of hell as it is traditionally understood in most Christian churches.

 

[Imagican]

I like many others believe that the world is flat, there is insurmountable evidence to believe so, but one question I have always asked the marble earth believers is "where would hell be?" I'd be more than happy to explain why the marble earth "theory" is incorrect and how the bible proves it.

You can't provide evidence that doesn't exist. The best that you can do is show that you are unwilling to accept the evidence that exists that is perfectly clear.

The Earth is spherical.

The idea that the Earth is flat was dispelled thousands of years ago.

Now, simply explain this: how is it possible for me to travel in the same direction long enough to end up in the exact position I started from if the Earth is FLAT? Where is the EDGE of this 'flat earth' and how do you show it to me?

Blessings,

MEC

 

[Radrook]

You can't provide evidence that doesn't exist. The best that you can do is show that you are unwilling to accept the evidence that exists that is perfectly clear.

The Earth is spherical.

The idea that the Earth is flat was dispelled thousands of years ago.

Now, simply explain this: how is it possible for me to travel in the same direction long enough to end up in the exact position I started from if the Earth is FLAT? Where is the EDGE of this 'flat earth' and how do you show it to me?

Blessings,

MEC

Why do plane pilots say that the Earth's horizon doesn't dip as it is supposed to?

Found an explanation:

 

[ButForGrace]

Have you evidence to suggest they are not?

Is there any amount of evidence you will believe if it was shown to you?

 

[jimdykes]

I like many others believe that the world is flat, there is insurmountable evidence to believe so, but one question I have always asked the marble earth believers is "where would hell be?" I'd be more than happy to explain why the marble earth "theory" is incorrect and how the bible proves it.

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Who cares? "With God all things are possible". If that is settled in my mind, I need to do less "wondering" about such questions and accept what God has said and spend more time with Him. I would never ask "How long is a piece of string" (smile).

 

[dannyz]

I strongly agree! While describing temtaption of Jesus by Satan, Mathew 4:8 says, "Once again the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in their glory." Would this be possible on a round earth? Or are you saying the Bible is wrong?

 

[daleksteve]

Have you evidence to suggest they are not?

Just look up at the sky and you will see a round sun and a round moon (when its full). The evidence is in full view of you every day.

But i guess the flat earth idiots will come up with some bizzare theory that they although they look round they are still flat.

 

[daleksteve]

See, hell is not 3-dimensional. It is also flat. That's why it is so hot and crowded there. Nowhere to move, hard to breathe. Not too many folks seriously interested in checking it out.

How do you know? Have you been there?

Hell does not even exist in our universe. I tell you why this is because its clear from the bible that such a place and heaven itself existed before God created OUR universe.

 

[TETA]

I would be more than happy if you would not. There are already too many flat earth threads on this forum. You should join one of those discussions instead of trying to start you own.

There is no "HELL" any where around the earth or anywhere. HELL is in people's minds because of fear.

 

[sdowney717]

Why do plane pilots say that the Earth's horizon doesn't dip as it is supposed to?

Found an explanation:

Not only is earth flat, it is fixed immovable so can not move according to scripture. Which means no spinning top revolving at 1000 mph and no going around the sun at 66,000 mph.

Earth is described to us as being placed on pillars, with a foundation, and has a cornerstone.

1 Samuel 2:8
He raises up the poor out of the dust and lifts up the needy from the ash heap, to make them sit with nobles and inherit the throne of glory. For the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s, and He has set the world upon them.

Job 9:6
Who shakes the earth out of its place, and the pillars of it tremble;

Psalm 75:3
When the earth totters, and all the inhabitants of it, it is I Who will poise and keep steady its pillars. Selah [pause, and calmly think of that]!

Psalm 104:5
You laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be moved forever.

1 Chronicles 16:30
Tremble and reverently fear before Him, all the earth’s peoples; the world also shall be established, so it cannot be moved.

Proverbs 8:29
When He gave to the sea its limit and His decree that the waters should not transgress [across the boundaries set by] His command, when He appointed the foundations of the earth—

Isaiah 24:18
And he who flees at the noise of the terror will fall into the pit; and he who comes up out of the pit will be caught in the snare. For the windows of the heavens are opened [as in the deluge], and the foundations of the earth tremble and shake.

Job 38:6
Upon what were the foundations of it fastened, or who laid its cornerstone,

And about that circle thing, the world is as God drew a circle on the face of the waters of the deep, then God stretches out the firmament over top of the flat circle as like a dome. The firmament contains the stars, moon and sun. No planets are mentioned, planets are really just lights in the firmament as are them all, revolving around the earth fixed in place in the firmament.
Proverbs 8:27
When He prepared the heavens, I [Wisdom] was there; when He drew a circle upon the face of the deep and stretched out the firmament over it,

 

[Basil Isaacks]

I like many others believe that the world is flat, there is insurmountable evidence to believe so, but one question I have always asked the marble earth believers is "where would hell be?" I'd be more than happy to explain why the marble earth "theory" is incorrect and how the bible proves it.

St. John Chrysostom once said in the 300's, "You ask where hell is, but why do you want to know? In my opinion, it's not in this physical universe at all. But let us not seek it where it lies hidden. Rather, let's find out how to avoid it."

 

[Basil Isaacks]

I strongly agree! While describing temtaption of Jesus by Satan, Mathew 4:8 says, "Once again the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in their glory." Would this be possible on a round earth? Or are you saying the Bible is wrong?

Don't forget, the devil is a liar, and has enough chutzpah to lie to Jesus, Who is God Incarnate.

Is there any reason why the Devil could not have shown Jesus something like a movie?

We all know how much movies manipulate our sense of sight--in other words, lie.

 

[sdowney717]

That's crazy talk. Why would any sane person ignore the mountain of obvious evidence that completely disproves what you are saying?

Question is really what do you say about the scriptures, versus what does the world say about the scriptures.
Here's something to see.
Showing here the imponderableness of a globe earth in the winter solstice. The sun would not rise, it would start high in the sky and fall to noon then rise high at sunset.

Flat Earth

 

[Butch5]

So the concept of hell suddenly disappeared from the Bible when it was translated into English? According to you how did "hell" get into the Bible? My view is that the Jews before and at the time of Jesus believed in a place of unending fiery punishment, they called it both Sheol and Gehinnom. Jesus and His first disciples were Jews living in Israel. When Jesus taught "eternal punishment,""hades where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die" etc. it did not refute the Jewish belief.

As I said, I didn't say anything about the Jews. The Bible doesn't teach a place in the earth where the wicked are tormented for eternity. That idea comes from a few misunderstood passages of Scripture. The Bible tells us that the Sadducees didn't believe in spirits or an afterlife and the Pharisees believed in spirits and the Resurrection.

It isn't hades where the fire isn't quenched, it Gehenna. Jesus quoted Isaiah and called it Gehenna.