Where is hell in a round earth?

[JellyQuest]

Question then arises---the dead are all resurrected, the wicked unto hell and the saved to God. Both are bodily resurrected, the saved are changed and given immortal bodies, but bodies none the less. The lost are resurrected, nothing says they are given immortality, only the saved are given immortality. Both have bodies that occupy space, especially the wicked. Billions of lost, all with real bodies that occupy space?

yup and then they are resurrected unto judgment and cast into the lake of fire rather dead again with no fleshy body again .very sad that any should be lost

 

[mmksparbud]

You forgot about the part where all creation is dissolved and recreated. All creation would include the bodies of those unsaved--which you admit are not given immortality. Those bodies are consumed.

Yes they are. And since they are not sent into hell until after they are resurrected and judged, which is not until after the 1000 years, there is no hell right now. And since both hell and death are thrown into the lake of fire to be consumed---there will be no hell in the new earth to take up space.

 

[JellyQuest]

Yes they are. And since they are not sent into hell until after they are resurrected and judged, which is not until after the 1000 years, there is no hell right now. And since both hell and death are thrown into the lake of fire to be consumed---there will be no hell in the new earth to take up space.

when is now in god ..? all things are now to him

 

[mmksparbud]

when is now in god ..? all things are now to him

We still have not gone through the 1000 years with God yet, so that is till not now.

 

[daleksteve]

well actually,i understand the lost remain disembodied spirits in hell . the resurrected in Christ are clothed in a new and incorruptible immortal house (body ) which cannot not die nor age with corruption .

Surely it will be a spiritual body though, like the sort angels have. What would you do with a physical body in heaven.

Your immortal, no need for food, sleep, sex, blood, organs.

 

[daleksteve]

We still have not gone through the 1000 years with God yet, so that is till not now.

How do you know this?

It's been over two thousands years since christ gave us Salvation.

And i believe we are now living in the end times, the last age of humanity which won't last a thousand years, that's for sure.

 

[daleksteve]

yup and then they are resurrected unto judgment and cast into the lake of fire rather dead again with no fleshy body again .very sad that any should be lost

Thing is i find it sad that good people will get sent to Hell simply because they rejected God and yet some really despicable human beings can go to heaven simply by accepting the forgivness paid for by the blood of Jesus.

 

[JellyQuest]

We still have not gone through the 1000 years with God yet, so that is till not now.

not to you . but when you leave this mortal realm and enter the eternal one .those who have done so and returned speak of it all very much being "now"

 

[JellyQuest]

Thing is i find it sad that good people will get sent to Hell simply because they rejected God and yet some really despicable human beings can go to heaven simply by accepting the forgiveness paid for by the blood of Jesus.

that's not sad .it is wonderful .all glory to god for his great and wonderful salvation .

 

[daleksteve]

not to you . but when you leave this mortal realm and enter the eternal one .those who have done so and returned speak of it all very much being "now"

Yep,

Some souls seem to be stuck in this mortal realm, its like they are scared to go towards the light and face judgement.

 

[daleksteve]

that's not sad .it is wonderful .all glory to god for his great and wonderful salvation .

It's not wonderful when a person who has led a good life simply gets sent to hell because they did not believe in God. Personally i feel salvation should also be partly made up of the good deeds you do in this life, but hey it's God who makes the rules.

Problem is, good people don't think they need salvation.

 

[mmksparbud]

How do you know this?

It's been over two thousands years since christ gave us Salvation.

And i believe we are now living in the end times, the last age of humanity which won't last a thousand years, that's for sure.

How do I know this?
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

the 1000 years is after the beast, and after the resurrection---haven't seen anything regarding the beast yet, no one has had to have a mark on their foreheads or hands, nor are the saints sitting on thrones yet (haven't seen any) and there has ben no resurrection yet.

 

[JellyQuest]

It's not wonderful when a person who has led a good life simply gets sent to hell because they did not believe in God. Personally i feel salvation should also be partly made up of the good deeds you do in this life, but hey it's God who makes the rules.

Problem is, good people don't think they need salvation.

well gee ,you not god we don't come to ogd on your terms . but on his . saying we should be able to get there on our own merits is like spitting in the face of Jesus and all he did for us .should people who spit in the face of jesus go to heaven ? you degrade christ and oppose the gospel

 

[mmksparbud]

not to you . but when you leave this mortal realm and enter the eternal one .those who have done so and returned speak of it all very much being "now"

Haven't heard anyone speak of an afterlife, seeing as there isn't one until after the resurrection.

 

[JellyQuest]

Haven't heard anyone speak of an afterlife, seeing as there isn't one until after the resurrection.

sure . i know a man who died and returned to life (there are many ) death is a cessation of the union of spirit and body ,not a state of non existence . eternal life is to 'know god " .(be unified with him and in him )

 

[mmksparbud]

sure . i know a man who died and returned to life (there are many ) death is a cessation of the union of spirit and body ,not a state of non existence . eternal life is to 'know god " .(be unified with him and in him )

Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

We are not given immortality until the resurrection.

 

[Der Alte]

Haven't heard anyone speak of an afterlife, seeing as there isn't one until after the resurrection.

Are you familiar with the three passages of scripture which speak of the dead in sheol or hades speaking, moving etc?
In Isaiah 14 there is a long passage about the king of Babylon dying, and according to many the dead know nothing. They are supposedly annihilated, destroyed, gone! But God, Himself, speaking, these dead people in שאול/sheol, know something, they move, meet the dead coming to sheol, stir up, raise up, speak and say, etc.

Isaiah 14:9-11 (KJV)
9) Hell [שאול] from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10) All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
11) Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, [שאול] and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
[ . . . ]
22) For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.​

In this passage God, himself is speaking, and I see a whole lot of shaking going on, moving, rising up, and speaking in . These dead people seem to know something, about something. We know that verses 11 through 14 describe actual historical events, the death of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon.
Some will try to argue that this passage is figurative because fir trees don’t literally rejoice, vs. 8. They will try to argue that the passage must be figurative since God told Israel “take up this proverb against the king of Babylon.” vs. 4. The occurrence of one figurative expression in a passage does not prove that anything else in the passage is figurative. The Hebrew word משׁל/mashal translated “proverb” does not necessarily mean something is fictional. For example Israel did not become fictional when God made them a mashal/proverb in 2 Chronicles 7:20, Psalms 44:14, and Jeremiah 24:9.
.....Here is another passage where God himself is speaking and people who are dead in sheol, speaking, being ashamed, comforted, etc.

Ezekiel 32:18-22, Ezekiel 30-31 (KJV)
18) Son of man, [Ezekiel] wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, even her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down into the pit.
19) Whom dost thou pass in beauty? go down, and be thou laid with the uncircumcised.
20) They shall fall in the midst of them that are slain by the sword: she is delivered to the sword: draw her and all her multitudes.
21) The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell [שאול] with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword.
22) Asshur is there and all her company: his graves are about him: all of them slain, fallen by the sword::[ . . . ]
Ezekiel 32:30-31
(30) There be the princes of the north, all of them, and all the Zidonians, which are gone down with the slain; with their terror they are ashamed of their might; and they lie uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword, and bear their shame with them that go down to the pit.
(31) Pharaoh shall see them, and shall be comforted over all his multitude, even Pharaoh and all his army slain by the sword, saith the Lord GOD. ​

In the NT Jesus speaking, a dead man in Hades had eyes, a tongue, was in torment, saw Abraham, “cried and said,” asked for water, begged Abraham, etc.

Luk 16:22-28
(22) And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
(23) And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
(24) And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
(25) But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
(26) And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
(27) Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
(28) For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.​

 

[thecolorsblend]

Haven't heard anyone speak of an afterlife, seeing as there isn't one until after the resurrection.

Interesting. So who did King Saul speak to in 1 Samuel 28?

 

[mmksparbud]

Are you familiar with the three passages of scripture which speak of the dead in sheol or hades speaking, moving etc?
In Isaiah 14 there is a long passage about the king of Babylon dying, and according to many the dead know nothing. They are supposedly annihilated, destroyed, gone! But God, Himself, speaking, these dead people in שאול/sheol, know something, they move, meet the dead coming to sheol, stir up, raise up, speak and say, etc.

Isaiah 14:9-11 (KJV)
9) Hell [שאול] from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10) All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
11) Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, [שאול] and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.



Sre you familiar with the concept of what God says is??? And God said let there be light--and it was so, Read Genesis 1---and God said--and it was so.
[ . . . ]
22) For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.​

In this passage God, himself is speaking, and I see a whole lot of shaking going on, moving, rising up, and speaking in . These dead people seem to know something, about something. We know that verses 11 through 14 describe actual historical events, the death of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon.
Some will try to argue that this passage is figurative because fir trees don’t literally rejoice, vs. 8. They will try to argue that the passage must be figurative since God told Israel “take up this proverb against the king of Babylon.” vs. 4. The occurrence of one figurative expression in a passage does not prove that anything else in the passage is figurative. The Hebrew word משׁל/mashal translated “proverb” does not necessarily mean something is fictional. For example Israel did not become fictional when God made them a mashal/proverb in 2 Chronicles 7:20, Psalms 44:14, and Jeremiah 24:9.
.....Here is another passage where God himself is speaking and people who are dead in sheol, speaking, being ashamed, comforted, etc.

Ezekiel 32:18-22, Ezekiel 30-31 (KJV)
18) Son of man, [Ezekiel] wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, even her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down into the pit.
19) Whom dost thou pass in beauty? go down, and be thou laid with the uncircumcised.
20) They shall fall in the midst of them that are slain by the sword: she is delivered to the sword: draw her and all her multitudes.
21) The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell [שאול] with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword.
22) Asshur is there and all her company: his graves are about him: all of them slain, fallen by the sword::[ . . . ]
Ezekiel 32:30-31
(30) There be the princes of the north, all of them, and all the Zidonians, which are gone down with the slain; with their terror they are ashamed of their might; and they lie uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword, and bear their shame with them that go down to the pit.
(31) Pharaoh shall see them, and shall be comforted over all his multitude, even Pharaoh and all his army slain by the sword, saith the Lord GOD. ​

In the NT Jesus speaking, a dead man in Hades had eyes, a tongue, was in torment, saw Abraham, “cried and said,” asked for water, begged Abraham, etc.

Luk 16:22-28
(22) And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
(23) And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
(24) And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
(25) But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
(26) And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
(27) Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
(28) For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.​

Are you familiar with the concept of what God says is??? Read Genesis 1. And God said......and it was so. That's how it works, He commands, and it stands fast. And when He said that if they ate of the tree they would die----it was so. If He had said, you will live forever in hell in torment, then it would be so---He didn't. Parables have nothing to do with it. What He says is.

 

[mmksparbud]

Interesting. So who did King Saul speak to in 1 Samuel 28?

It wasn't Saul. Saul was dead, necromancy was against God and was forbidden, Saul was judged for what he did. That was bringing up a demon. The dead know not anything--and nobody can change that meaning however much they mangle and twist the word dead. Satan impersonates --that is what he has done from the beginning. He is a liar and the father of it.