Where is Eden?

[Stephen P]

I am a Kenotactic (which is a slight modification of YEC).

I used to be a Diablotic,
Now I'm more like a Neurotic.

 

[Paulus59]

Where is Eden?
Use The Tree of Life as a pointer because it still exists and is still in the LOCATION of EDEN.
Points to consider:
1. The Tree of Life was in Eden, else Adam didn't need to be cast out of Eden as part of the protection of the Tree of Life.
2. The Location of the Tree of Life still exists and the Tree of Life still exists, because the road to it is protected; the Bible would have described the destruction otherwise, and not gone to the trouble of protecting it.
3. Assumption -- that many other plants/trees/vegetable matter were still in Eden at the time, but only Tree of Life was to be protected, so that this plant matter is subsidiary?
4. The road to the Tree is Protected by fire - The Blazing one.
5. The fire is also warning to stay away from the Tree.

G3v24 RMT: and he cast out the human, and the keruvs and the blazing one dwelt from the east to the garden of Eden, the sword overturning herself to safeguard the road of the tree of life,

Questions:
Q1. Is it possible to have a fire burning since the Time of Eden? (1000'of years)
Q2. Is there a place that speaks of protection / warning?

Possible applicants:
Burning Mountain - Wikipedia
"The Aborigines named the mountain Wingen, which means 'fire'. Their explanation of the origin of the burning mountain was that one day, a tribesman was lighting a fire on the mountainside when he was carried off deep into the earth by The Evil One. Unable to escape, he used his fire stick to set the mountain alight, so that the smoke might warn others to keep away."
"The underground fire is estimated to be at a depth of around 30 m (100 ft). It is estimated that the fire has burned for approximately 6,000 years and is the oldest known coal fire."

Possible location:

GROUND
-------
30m depth = FIRE/COAL - Plant matter
-------
Earth
-------
EDEN/Tree
-------
If someone was being totally realistic, a ramp down, say 100m is easy, even for ancient times, going down to a covered sinkhole for example.
Sinkholes are everywhere...
TIL there is a whopping big hole in the harbour near the Harbour Bridge (43m deep when surroundings average 13m) : sydney

Comments:
Location seen as a warning, Using Plant matter to keep burning, Fire for 1000's of years.
# ONLY 30m depth.
So can be easily opened up at some stage, and accessed again.

Tree of life WILL be used at End of Days:
REV2:7 "Let anyone who has an ear listen to what the Spirit is saying to the churches. To everyone who conquers, I will give permission to eat from the tree of life that is in the paradise of God."

REV22:2 through the middle of the street of the city. On either side of the river is the tree of life[a] with its twelve kinds of fruit, producing its fruit each month; and the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

REV22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes,[a] so that they will have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates.

REV22:19 if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

It's not a literal tree, it is a spiritual tree which represents the Father. If you want to eat of the tree of life you eat the flesh of Jesus and drink of his blood (John 6:56). Jesus is the tree of life and the Garden of Eden is the Kingdom of God which is within you when you are born again (Luke 17:20-21)!

 

[Sabertooth]

Kenotaxy [means "recent arrangement"] is my fancy term for Dormant Gap. There is an unspecified amount of time between Genesis 1:1 & Genesis 1:3 [a.k.a. Day 0]. But there was not yet breathable air [Day 2] nor dry land [Day 3]. Earth could not yet accommodate biological life as we currently understand it. And we have no basis to speculate aquatic, biological life in that time-frame, either. (Even aquatic life requires air to breathe.) And it was really dark, too.

"Day 0" could have been a millisecond or a millennium. We just don't know. From Genesis 1:3 going forward I am in agreement with the YECs.

 

[Sabertooth]

It's not a literal tree, it is a spiritual tree which represents the Father.

It wouldn't have required angels with lightsabers to guard it, if it wasn't literal.

 

[Paulus59]

It wouldn't have require angels with lightsabers to guard it, if it wasn't literal.

They do guard it that's why you can't find it without Jesus. The flaming sword is God's word which is the written law and condemns people of their sin and prevents them from entering the Garden of Eden. It is the veil that covers the heart of sinful man.

 

[Archivist]

We have an Eden in Upshur County, West Virginia. I know there is also an Eden in Pennsylvania, probably other states as well.

 

[-57]

It is the garden of Eden. The garden was placed in the east of Eden. The earth was called Eden, or the eastward part of the area was called Eden, the garden did not have a name of its own.

Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward, in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed.

Later on we read...15The LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it.

Ez 28:13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;

 

[-57]

It's not a literal tree, it is a spiritual tree which represents the Father. If you want to eat of the tree of life you eat the flesh of Jesus and drink of his blood (John 6:56). Jesus is the tree of life and the Garden of Eden is the Kingdom of God which is within you when you are born again (Luke 17:20-21)!

The tree is a literal tree with spiritual meaning.

 

[-57]

The location of the garden of Eden can't be know as the flood of Noah would've destroyed it.

 

[DamianWarS]

Possible applicants:
Burning Mountain - Wikipedia

You think the garden of Eden is in Australia?

 

[ChetSinger]

It seems logical to me Eden was destroyed in the flood along with everything else. So presumably the tree of life was buried with it. Does the Bible say anything about this? Kinda, yes, in Ezekiel 31:

And all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, were comforted in the world below. They also went down to Sheol with it, to those who are slain by the sword; yes, those who were its arm, who lived under its shadow among the nations.

Whom are you thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? You shall be brought down with the trees of Eden to the world below.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Where is Eden?
Use The Tree of Life as a pointer because it still exists and is still in the LOCATION of EDEN.
Points to consider:
1. The Tree of Life was in Eden, else Adam didn't need to be cast out of Eden as part of the protection of the Tree of Life.
2. The Location of the Tree of Life still exists and the Tree of Life still exists, because the road to it is protected; the Bible would have described the destruction otherwise, and not gone to the trouble of protecting it.
3. Assumption -- that many other plants/trees/vegetable matter were still in Eden at the time, but only Tree of Life was to be protected, so that this plant matter is subsidiary?
4. The road to the Tree is Protected by fire - The Blazing one.
5. The fire is also warning to stay away from the Tree.

G3v24 RMT: and he cast out the human, and the keruvs and the blazing one dwelt from the east to the garden of Eden, the sword overturning herself to safeguard the road of the tree of life,

Questions:
Q1. Is it possible to have a fire burning since the Time of Eden? (1000'of years)
Q2. Is there a place that speaks of protection / warning?

Possible applicants:
Burning Mountain - Wikipedia
"The Aborigines named the mountain Wingen, which means 'fire'. Their explanation of the origin of the burning mountain was that one day, a tribesman was lighting a fire on the mountainside when he was carried off deep into the earth by The Evil One. Unable to escape, he used his fire stick to set the mountain alight, so that the smoke might warn others to keep away."
"The underground fire is estimated to be at a depth of around 30 m (100 ft). It is estimated that the fire has burned for approximately 6,000 years and is the oldest known coal fire."

Possible location:

GROUND
-------
30m depth = FIRE/COAL - Plant matter
-------
Earth
-------
EDEN/Tree
-------
If someone was being totally realistic, a ramp down, say 100m is easy, even for ancient times, going down to a covered sinkhole for example.
Sinkholes are everywhere...
TIL there is a whopping big hole in the harbour near the Harbour Bridge (43m deep when surroundings average 13m) : sydney

Comments:
Location seen as a warning, Using Plant matter to keep burning, Fire for 1000's of years.
# ONLY 30m depth.
So can be easily opened up at some stage, and accessed again.

Tree of life WILL be used at End of Days:
REV2:7 "Let anyone who has an ear listen to what the Spirit is saying to the churches. To everyone who conquers, I will give permission to eat from the tree of life that is in the paradise of God."

REV22:2 through the middle of the street of the city. On either side of the river is the tree of life[a] with its twelve kinds of fruit, producing its fruit each month; and the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

REV22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes,[a] so that they will have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates.

REV22:19 if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Eden was destroyed in the flood. Be blessed.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Where is Eden?
Use The Tree of Life as a pointer because it still exists and is still in the LOCATION of EDEN.
Points to consider:
1. The Tree of Life was in Eden, else Adam didn't need to be cast out of Eden as part of the protection of the Tree of Life.
2. The Location of the Tree of Life still exists and the Tree of Life still exists, because the road to it is protected; the Bible would have described the destruction otherwise, and not gone to the trouble of protecting it.
3. Assumption -- that many other plants/trees/vegetable matter were still in Eden at the time, but only Tree of Life was to be protected, so that this plant matter is subsidiary?
4. The road to the Tree is Protected by fire - The Blazing one.
5. The fire is also warning to stay away from the Tree.

G3v24 RMT: and he cast out the human, and the keruvs and the blazing one dwelt from the east to the garden of Eden, the sword overturning herself to safeguard the road of the tree of life,

Questions:
Q1. Is it possible to have a fire burning since the Time of Eden? (1000'of years)
Q2. Is there a place that speaks of protection / warning?

Possible applicants:
Burning Mountain - Wikipedia
"The Aborigines named the mountain Wingen, which means 'fire'. Their explanation of the origin of the burning mountain was that one day, a tribesman was lighting a fire on the mountainside when he was carried off deep into the earth by The Evil One. Unable to escape, he used his fire stick to set the mountain alight, so that the smoke might warn others to keep away."
"The underground fire is estimated to be at a depth of around 30 m (100 ft). It is estimated that the fire has burned for approximately 6,000 years and is the oldest known coal fire."

Possible location:

GROUND
-------
30m depth = FIRE/COAL - Plant matter
-------
Earth
-------
EDEN/Tree
-------
If someone was being totally realistic, a ramp down, say 100m is easy, even for ancient times, going down to a covered sinkhole for example.
Sinkholes are everywhere...
TIL there is a whopping big hole in the harbour near the Harbour Bridge (43m deep when surroundings average 13m) : sydney

Comments:
Location seen as a warning, Using Plant matter to keep burning, Fire for 1000's of years.
# ONLY 30m depth.
So can be easily opened up at some stage, and accessed again.

Tree of life WILL be used at End of Days:
REV2:7 "Let anyone who has an ear listen to what the Spirit is saying to the churches. To everyone who conquers, I will give permission to eat from the tree of life that is in the paradise of God."

REV22:2 through the middle of the street of the city. On either side of the river is the tree of life[a] with its twelve kinds of fruit, producing its fruit each month; and the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

REV22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes,[a] so that they will have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates.

REV22:19 if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Apparently where Edom was located was the physical location.

 

[mmksparbud]

Yep so the Land of Eden would be the whole area on the map
Eqypt to Ethiopia, to Mozambique
The Garden of Eden in this example would be the Rift Valley area.

It hasn't been proven to be.

 

[mmksparbud]

It seems logical to me Eden was destroyed in the flood along with everything else. So presumably the tree of life was buried with it. Does the Bible say anything about this? Kinda, yes, in Ezekiel 31:

Could be--but it definitely is about Pharaoh.

Eze 31:2 'Son of man, say unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude: whom art thou like in thy greatness?

Eze 31:18 To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shall thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth; thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised, with them that are slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD.'

 

[Bruce Leiter]

Where is Eden?
Use The Tree of Life as a pointer because it still exists and is still in the LOCATION of EDEN.
Points to consider:
1. The Tree of Life was in Eden, else Adam didn't need to be cast out of Eden as part of the protection of the Tree of Life.
2. The Location of the Tree of Life still exists and the Tree of Life still exists, because the road to it is protected; the Bible would have described the destruction otherwise, and not gone to the trouble of protecting it.
3. Assumption -- that many other plants/trees/vegetable matter were still in Eden at the time, but only Tree of Life was to be protected, so that this plant matter is subsidiary?
4. The road to the Tree is Protected by fire - The Blazing one.
5. The fire is also warning to stay away from the Tree.

G3v24 RMT: and he cast out the human, and the keruvs and the blazing one dwelt from the east to the garden of Eden, the sword overturning herself to safeguard the road of the tree of life,

Questions:
Q1. Is it possible to have a fire burning since the Time of Eden? (1000'of years)
Q2. Is there a place that speaks of protection / warning?

Possible applicants:
Burning Mountain - Wikipedia
"The Aborigines named the mountain Wingen, which means 'fire'. Their explanation of the origin of the burning mountain was that one day, a tribesman was lighting a fire on the mountainside when he was carried off deep into the earth by The Evil One. Unable to escape, he used his fire stick to set the mountain alight, so that the smoke might warn others to keep away."
"The underground fire is estimated to be at a depth of around 30 m (100 ft). It is estimated that the fire has burned for approximately 6,000 years and is the oldest known coal fire."

Possible location:

GROUND
-------
30m depth = FIRE/COAL - Plant matter
-------
Earth
-------
EDEN/Tree
-------
If someone was being totally realistic, a ramp down, say 100m is easy, even for ancient times, going down to a covered sinkhole for example.
Sinkholes are everywhere...
TIL there is a whopping big hole in the harbour near the Harbour Bridge (43m deep when surroundings average 13m) : sydney

Comments:
Location seen as a warning, Using Plant matter to keep burning, Fire for 1000's of years.
# ONLY 30m depth.
So can be easily opened up at some stage, and accessed again.

Tree of life WILL be used at End of Days:
REV2:7 "Let anyone who has an ear listen to what the Spirit is saying to the churches. To everyone who conquers, I will give permission to eat from the tree of life that is in the paradise of God."

REV22:2 through the middle of the street of the city. On either side of the river is the tree of life[a] with its twelve kinds of fruit, producing its fruit each month; and the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

REV22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes,[a] so that they will have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates.

REV22:19 if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Your Revelation 22 verses are the key. Chapters 21 & 22 describe symbolically the new Jerusalem coming down to the new earth (21:1). How do I know that it's symbolic of a spiritual reality? The city is dressed in a wedding dress, symbolic of the Old and New Testament people of God (the names on the gates and foundations). So the final kingdom in a new universe has the "tree of life," the source of eternal life, who is Jesus, the way and the truth and the life (John 14:6). Also, before Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, he said that he is the resurrection and the life (John 11:25-26). Therefore, the tree of life takes on great meaning in the New Testament pointing to Jesus and his resurrection along with our future one.

My advice is don't spend so much time concerned with where it is as much as growing that life within you through Jesus by the Holy Spirit's power from God the Father.

 

[misput]

You literal folks need to put on the full armor of God.

 

[mindlight]

Where is Eden?
Use The Tree of Life as a pointer because it still exists and is still in the LOCATION of EDEN.
Points to consider:
1. The Tree of Life was in Eden, else Adam didn't need to be cast out of Eden as part of the protection of the Tree of Life.
2. The Location of the Tree of Life still exists and the Tree of Life still exists, because the road to it is protected; the Bible would have described the destruction otherwise, and not gone to the trouble of protecting it.
3. Assumption -- that many other plants/trees/vegetable matter were still in Eden at the time, but only Tree of Life was to be protected, so that this plant matter is subsidiary?
4. The road to the Tree is Protected by fire - The Blazing one.
5. The fire is also warning to stay away from the Tree.

G3v24 RMT: and he cast out the human, and the keruvs and the blazing one dwelt from the east to the garden of Eden, the sword overturning herself to safeguard the road of the tree of life,

Questions:
Q1. Is it possible to have a fire burning since the Time of Eden? (1000'of years)
Q2. Is there a place that speaks of protection / warning?

Possible applicants:
Burning Mountain - Wikipedia
"The Aborigines named the mountain Wingen, which means 'fire'. Their explanation of the origin of the burning mountain was that one day, a tribesman was lighting a fire on the mountainside when he was carried off deep into the earth by The Evil One. Unable to escape, he used his fire stick to set the mountain alight, so that the smoke might warn others to keep away."
"The underground fire is estimated to be at a depth of around 30 m (100 ft). It is estimated that the fire has burned for approximately 6,000 years and is the oldest known coal fire."

Possible location:

GROUND
-------
30m depth = FIRE/COAL - Plant matter
-------
Earth
-------
EDEN/Tree
-------
If someone was being totally realistic, a ramp down, say 100m is easy, even for ancient times, going down to a covered sinkhole for example.
Sinkholes are everywhere...
TIL there is a whopping big hole in the harbour near the Harbour Bridge (43m deep when surroundings average 13m) : sydney

Comments:
Location seen as a warning, Using Plant matter to keep burning, Fire for 1000's of years.
# ONLY 30m depth.
So can be easily opened up at some stage, and accessed again.

Tree of life WILL be used at End of Days:
REV2:7 "Let anyone who has an ear listen to what the Spirit is saying to the churches. To everyone who conquers, I will give permission to eat from the tree of life that is in the paradise of God."

REV22:2 through the middle of the street of the city. On either side of the river is the tree of life[a] with its twelve kinds of fruit, producing its fruit each month; and the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

REV22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes,[a] so that they will have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates.

REV22:19 if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

The original Eden was washed away by the flood as was much of the ecosystem of the ancient world.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Where is Eden?
Use The Tree of Life as a pointer because it still exists and is still in the LOCATION of EDEN.

I actually believe that Eden is below water in the Mediterranean sea. Like many posters here, I've heard of lots of clues about Mesopotamia etc. and Asia minor and many of those areas have many clues reminiscent of Eden like fertile soil and fruit trees growing wild. But Eden is near the intersection of 4 major rivers Tigris, Euphrates, and one coming out of Africa currently, if you try plot where these rivers might converge you get a place that is under water in the Mediterranean. Basically the geography greatly changed after the Great Flood.

 

[fhansen]

Where is Eden?
Use The Tree of Life as a pointer because it still exists and is still in the LOCATION of EDEN.
Points to consider:
1. The Tree of Life was in Eden, else Adam didn't need to be cast out of Eden as part of the protection of the Tree of Life.
2. The Location of the Tree of Life still exists and the Tree of Life still exists, because the road to it is protected; the Bible would have described the destruction otherwise, and not gone to the trouble of protecting it.
3. Assumption -- that many other plants/trees/vegetable matter were still in Eden at the time, but only Tree of Life was to be protected, so that this plant matter is subsidiary?
4. The road to the Tree is Protected by fire - The Blazing one.
5. The fire is also warning to stay away from the Tree.

G3v24 RMT: and he cast out the human, and the keruvs and the blazing one dwelt from the east to the garden of Eden, the sword overturning herself to safeguard the road of the tree of life,

Questions:
Q1. Is it possible to have a fire burning since the Time of Eden? (1000'of years)
Q2. Is there a place that speaks of protection / warning?

Possible applicants:
Burning Mountain - Wikipedia
"The Aborigines named the mountain Wingen, which means 'fire'. Their explanation of the origin of the burning mountain was that one day, a tribesman was lighting a fire on the mountainside when he was carried off deep into the earth by The Evil One. Unable to escape, he used his fire stick to set the mountain alight, so that the smoke might warn others to keep away."
"The underground fire is estimated to be at a depth of around 30 m (100 ft). It is estimated that the fire has burned for approximately 6,000 years and is the oldest known coal fire."

Possible location:

GROUND
-------
30m depth = FIRE/COAL - Plant matter
-------
Earth
-------
EDEN/Tree
-------
If someone was being totally realistic, a ramp down, say 100m is easy, even for ancient times, going down to a covered sinkhole for example.
Sinkholes are everywhere...
TIL there is a whopping big hole in the harbour near the Harbour Bridge (43m deep when surroundings average 13m) : sydney

Comments:
Location seen as a warning, Using Plant matter to keep burning, Fire for 1000's of years.
# ONLY 30m depth.
So can be easily opened up at some stage, and accessed again.

Tree of life WILL be used at End of Days:
REV2:7 "Let anyone who has an ear listen to what the Spirit is saying to the churches. To everyone who conquers, I will give permission to eat from the tree of life that is in the paradise of God."

REV22:2 through the middle of the street of the city. On either side of the river is the tree of life[a] with its twelve kinds of fruit, producing its fruit each month; and the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

REV22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes,[a] so that they will have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates.

REV22:19 if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Language regarding the trees is figurative. Eating of the Tree of Life meant to move nearer yet to God in the positive sense whereas eating of the Tree of the Knowledge of good and evil was to move away from Him, away from His godhood over and above them by an act of disobedience and disbelief. As we come full circle and begin to believe in God again now under the New Covenant where Jesus first reveals the true God as He's never been revealed before, then we enter relationship or communion with Him within which we can begin to partake of Him as is the right order of things for man. Union with God is essential to our eternal life. This can only happen as man is reconciled with God through the work of his Son.:

"Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." John 17:3

This knowledge is that initmate and direct, personal knowledge referred to in verse 34 of the New Covenant prophecy of Jer 31.