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Can you explain how the Kenites which are the descendants of Cain have survived the Flood? The Kenites are mentionned AFTER the Flood? Good swimmers maybe.
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Kenites/

"KENITES" in the KJV Bible


Genesis 15:19 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,

Numbers 24:21 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And he looked on the Kenites, and took up his parable, and said, Strong is thy dwellingplace, and thou puttest thy nest in a rock.

Judges 4:11 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.

1 Samuel 15:6 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And Saul said unto the Kenites, Go, depart, get you down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them: for ye shewed kindness to all the children of Israel, when they came up out of Egypt. So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites.

1 Samuel 27:10 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And Achish said, Whither have ye made a road to day? And David said, Against the south of Judah, and against the south of the Jerahmeelites, and against the south of the Kenites.

1 Samuel 30:29 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And to them which were in Rachal, and to them which were in the cities of the Jerahmeelites, and to them which were in the cities of the Kenites,

1 Chronicles 2:55 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.

Question: "Who were the Kenites?"

Answer:
The Kenites were an ancient people living near the land of Canaan around the time of Abraham (Genesis 15:18–21). The Bible mentions several dealings between the Israelites and the Kenites, who were always on friendly terms with each other.

Moses’ father-in-law, Jethro, also known as Reuel, was “the priest of Midian” and a Kenite (Judges 1:16). Jethro lived south of Canaan near Mount Sinai (Exodus 3:1). When Moses fled from Egypt, he went to Midian, where he right away met Jethro’s seven daughters, all shepherdesses. Moses eventually wed one of them, a woman named Zipporah (Exodus 2:16–21) and thus married into the Kenite tribe. Moses lived among the Kenites for many years before God called him as the one to deliver the Israelites from their enslavement in Egypt.

It seems that the Kenites in Midian knew enough about the one true God to maintain a priest. The name Reuelmeans “friend of God.” After the exodus, Reuel’s knowledge of God dramatically increased, and he joined Moses and Aaron in bringing a burnt sacrifice and other offerings before the Lord to worship Him (Exodus 18:9–12).

It is probable that the Kenites and the Midianites were related in some way. Reuel lived in Midian when Moses met him. Also, in Numbers 10:29, Moses’ father-in-law is called “Reuel the Midianite” (elsewhere, he is called a Kenite). Scripture also links the Kenites to the tribe of the Rekabites (1 Chronicles 2:55).

The Kenites were friendly to Moses and the Israelites during the time of the exodus. It seems that Jethro, Hobab, and other Kenites joined with Moses and traveled all the way to Canaan with the people of God (Exodus 18:1–7; Numbers 10:29–33). The Kenites settled near Jericho until they eventually moved south to live in the desert region of Negev (Judges 1:16; cf. 1 Samuel 27:10). However, a Kenite named Heber stayed in Canaan, migrating north to near Kedesh. It was Heber’s wife, Jael, who killed Sisera during the time of Deborah and Barak (Judges 4:11, 17–23). During King Saul’s reign, God instructed Israel to destroy the Amalekites. But mercy was shown to the Kenites who lived among the Amalekites; before Saul attacked, “he said to the Kenites, ‘Go away, leave the Amalekites so that I do not destroy you along with them; for you showed kindness to all the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt.’ So the Kenites moved away from the Amalekites” (1 Samuel 15:6).

There are some who claim that the Kenites were descendants of Cain, due to the similarity between the Hebrew words translated "Cain" and "Kenite." However, unless someone in Noah’s family was a descendant of Cain, all of Cain’s descendants would have been wiped out in the Flood. Further, even if a member of Noah’s family was a descendant of Cain, there would be no way, post-Flood, for a distinct line of Cain to re-emerge. For example, if Ham’s wife was a descendant of Cain, all of Ham’s descendants would be descendants of Cain. With that said, the important point is this – the Bible nowhere connects the Kenites with Cain.

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With that said, the important point is this – the Bible nowhere connects the Kenites with Cain
Really ?
Lets see what Strong word give us about the word Kenites ::Qeni or Qini: members of the tribe of Kenites.... from Qayin

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/7017.htm

Qeni or Qini: members of the tribe of Kenites
Original Word: קַ֫יִן
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: Qeni or Qini
Phonetic Spelling: (kay-nee')
Short Definition: Kenite
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from Qayin


http://biblehub.com/hebrew/7014.htm
◄ 7014. Qayin ►

III. קַ֫יִן proper name, masculine Cain, Kain eldest son of Adam and Eve (explanation Genesis 4:1 from קָנָה acquire; but in fact = II. ׳ק, as heros eponymos, according to Wecompare11 StaG 285 ff. BuUrg. 193 HolzGenesis 50f. especially StaZAW xiv (1894), 250 ff.; xv (1895), 157 ff., CheEncy.Bib.CAIN); — ׳ק Genesis 4:1,2,3,5 (twice in verse); Genesis 4:8 (twice in verse); Genesis 4:9,13,15 (twice in verse); Genesis 4:16,17, קָ֑יִן Genesis 4:6; Genesis 4:24; Genesis 4:25 (all J).
 
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That seed would be the spiritual descendents of Satan.
John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Eph 2:2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience
In the Bible, the "one" generation of evil [brethren all, with one spiritual father] is contrasted to the one generation of the righteous [brethren, all of One Spiritual Father] : both are called one generation of evil and one generation of the righteous, by who is their "spiritual" father.



Cain became a child of wrath when satan entered him, after tempting him with the thoughts to do the deed, though he was warned that:
NET "Is it not true that if you do what is right, you will be fine? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at the door. It desires to dominate you, but you must subdue it."

תְּשׁוּקָהStrongs Concordance shows that Sin -[this is a person, a Satan], was crouching at the door -to enter and dominate Cain's actions, by mastering him- and the Word says that "the devil walks the earth, like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. The word used in Hebrew, in Genesis 4, "tᵉshûwqâh" means to lust after, and showed that "Sin" was reaching out with lust for Cain's whole being, to enter and control his actions and thoughts:
tᵉshûwqâh, tesh-oo-kaw'; from H7783 in the original sense of stretching out after; a longing:—desire.
Cain became a spiritual child of wrath when "Sin/Satan", mastered him,

When Satan entered Judas he then became a child of Satan in the spiritual sense, just like Cain did, who was son of Adam and Eve, in Genesis 4.

Jhn 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
Jhn 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.




God is the spiritual Father of the Righteous who have received His Spirit, and Satan is the spiritual father of the
The children of wrath in the Word of God, who are indeed the "sons of Satan/Belial", spiritually.

1Sa 2:12 Now the sons of Eli were sons of Belial; H1100 they knew not the LORD..
Cain did not heed the warning, and became a "son of evil" and a "child of wrath", doing what his spiritual father did through him, when he "mastered him, and he became a slave of satan.
Judas also became a child of wrath and a spiritual son of Satan, a son of Belial, and did Satan's will, when Satan became his master.
 
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That seed would be the spiritual descendents of Satan.
John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

In the Bible, the "one" generation of evil [brethren all, with one spiritual father] is contrasted to the one generation of the righteous [brethren, all of One Spiritual Father] : both are called one generation of evil and one generation of the righteous, by who is their "spiritual" father.
Jesus in John 8:44 is referring to this...
1 Chronicles 2:55
And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.

That seed would be the spiritual descendents of Satan.
John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
 
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He has no biblical basis for such things.
I have made a mistake when I said that Cain have killed Abel in the Garden of Eden.

Cain have killed Abel outside the Garden of Eden.

-57 claim is that that is Satan who is the murderer from the beginning....[/QUOTE]
Thank you.
Now, in the Bible, the evil generation of earth is the spiritual sons of Satan, who choose to receive his temptations and be his slaves.
Cain was the first.
Though Eve was tempted to eat the fruit, by the lie of Satan, and then she tempted Adam to eat it, and the Adam clay they were flesh out of became irrevocably defiled to bear the Glory of the Father, from that point; and for that rebellion against the Word of God their souls were unclean, and the Adam spirit irrevocably and forever dead, and they no longer "Adam, son of God" in their being, nor did they bring forth sons of God of the Adam kind, as they were made male and female to do, by the seed created in the loins of the Adam male [Malachi 2:15, Luke 3:38], they were not murderers.
So the father of lies told the lie in the beginning that Eve believed, and that got them cast down and out and away from Paradise, divorced from the Father of Glory with no hope in Adam for the Glory to indwell them ever, and Adam became a vain thing, with no purpose in his being, as he was created to be, but with the promise of cleansing and redemption and ransom, in the promised Seed of the Woman [Zion of heaven/Jerusalem above, is spiritualized as a Woman from Genesis to Revelation, and Her Seed is the Living Spirit, Christ who was to come, in flesh and is come].
Then Satan tempted Cain to kill his brother, and Cain did become a spiritual child of Satan when the evil spirit entered him.
So the first lie and the first murder were done by Satan. He spoke directly to Eve to tempt her, and she ate, but he had to enter Cain just as he entered Judas, to kill his brother.
So Satan is the Father of lies, for he is a liar from the beginning, and a murderer from the beginning; the beginning being as in Genesis, the "Beginnings/origins" book.


When "Sin" became the "Master" of Cain, he murdered his brother Abel by that spirit of evil in him, which he let enter, which had tempted him to kill his brother, and he did kill his brother, but Satan was the father of that murder, as he was the father of the lie he told to Eve.
 
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No descendants of Cain survived the flood, though many will be in heaven, for as it says in the Book of Jasher, all who were in right standing before God died, before the flood, so that they would not see the evil that was to come.
Noah's flesh was not corrupted by the wickedness of the intermarrying of the sons of God with the daughters of Adam, and the corrupting of all the flesh kinds God made, in the same manner, on earth, for God sent the flood to cleanse the earth of the corrupted flesh, which flesh was corrupted in its kind by mixing, which the sons of God called "The Watchers" did and taught, to the sons of Adam [to mix kinds by gene splicing /cutting roots, as it is translated in the Book of Enoch. and Noah and Methusaleh preached for 120 years to warn....

Only descendants of Enoch, through Methuselah, survived the flood.
 
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Now, in the Bible, the evil generation of earth is the spiritual sons of Satan, who choose to receive his temptations and be his slaves.
Cain was the first.
Though Eve was tempted to eat the fruit, by the lie of Satan, and then she tempted Adam to eat it, and the Adam clay they were flesh out of became irrevocably defiled to bear the Glory of the Father, from that point; and for that rebellion against the Word of God their souls were unclean, and the Adam spirit irrevocably and forever dead, and they no longer "Adam, son of God" in their being, nor did they bring forth sons of God of the Adam kind, as they were made male and female to do, by the seed created in the loins of the Adam male [Malachi 2:15, Luke 3:38], they were not murderers.
So the father of lies told the lie in the beginning that Eve believed, and that got them cast down and out and away from Paradise, divorced from the Father of Glory with no hope in Adam for the Glory to indwell them ever, and Adam became a vain thing, with no purpose in his being, as he was created to be, but with the promise of cleansing and redemption and ransom, in the promised Seed of the Woman [Zion of heaven/Jerusalem above, is spiritualized as a Woman from Genesis to Revelation, and Her Seed is the Living Spirit, Christ who was to come, in flesh and is come].
Then Satan tempted Cain to kill his brother, and Cain did become a spiritual child of Satan when the evil spirit entered him.
brother, and he did kill his brother, but Satan was the father of that murder, as he was the father of the lie he told to Eve.
Yet, God placed enmity betwen the woman seed and the serpent (Satan) seed...in the physical sense not only in the spiritual sense.


Do you know why Satan tried to pollute Adam and Eve's bloodline since the beginning ? Because Eve is the bloodline which Christ the Savior of the world would come through. This would be Satan’s first attempt at polluting the bloodline so Christ could not be born into the world.
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http://www.worldeventsandthebible.com/2013/10/the-garden-of-eden-origins-of-satans.html

Genesis 3:15
15 “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.“

Listen to the Words of your Father, He does not lie, he placed “enmity” that is “hostility” between what? Satan’s “seed” and Eve’s “seed,” which is Strong’s word 2233 meaning “child“. Satan’s “seed” and the “seed” of man is sperm (documented below). God placed a division between the “seed“, the literal flesh offspring of Satan and the literal offspring of Eve.

This is the first prophecy in the Bible. Satan’s “seed“, his children would bruise Christ’s heel which happened on the Cross, but Christ will bruise Satan’s head upon His return. Ultimately it will be the death blow for Satan when he is turned into ashes from within (Ezekiel 28:18).

These are the scribes and high priests descendants of the Kenites who decided that Jesus must die ...and chosed to free Barabas.
1 Chronicles 2:55
And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.


Lets see what Strong concordance give us about the word Kenites ::Qeni or Qini: members of the tribe of Kenites.... from Qayin

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/7017.htm

Qeni or Qini: members of the tribe of Kenites
Original Word: קַ֫יִן
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: Qeni or Qini
Phonetic Spelling: (kay-nee')
Short Definition: Kenite
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from Qayin


http://biblehub.com/hebrew/7014.htm
◄ 7014. Qayin ►

III. קַ֫יִן proper name, masculine Cain, Kain eldest son of Adam and Eve (explanation Genesis 4:1 from קָנָה acquire; but in fact = II. ׳ק, as heros eponymos, according to Wecompare11 StaG 285 ff. BuUrg. 193 HolzGenesis 50f. especially StaZAW xiv (1894), 250 ff.; xv (1895), 157 ff., CheEncy.Bib.CAIN); — ׳ק Genesis 4:1,2,3,5 (twice in verse); Genesis 4:8 (twice in verse); Genesis 4:9,13,15 (twice in verse); Genesis 4:16,17, קָ֑יִן Genesis 4:6; Genesis 4:24; Genesis 4:25 (all J).
 
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Riberra, the Seed of the Woman is Christ the Living Spirit.
That is the doctrine of the Word, and the Woman is Jerusalem above, the City of God, and Jesus says whoever does the will of God is His mother and brother, and the City is spiritual Zion, the heavenly City being built of the living stones as they are adopted into the Living Spirit who is come in flesh as the Seed of the Woman, and it is He who is come in flesh who is the Chief Foundation Stone laid in Zion, to build that City, the City of God, upon.
The Woman, the City of God, is to be built up for the Glory by the adopted sons of God being made the pillars and and stones of it; then, when it is built up, the Glory enters.

The seed of Satan is the evil generation, those who have received the lies of the tempter and sold their souls to doing and promoting the lies against God's Truth.

And no, Cain's bloodline did not survive the flood, and a human being woman does not carry the bloodline. The father determines the line, not the mother.
 
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Riberra, there are no souls carried in the female line of the Adam creaton, from the beginning to the end of the generation of the Adam creation.
A female Adam gives genetic information for building the house/flesh body, that each soul which comes to fruit in the Adam being kind in the womb of the mother will indwell, but the female can be any female that contributes to the building of the specific soul's house/flesh body which is built in the womb at conception, but the seed only comes from the loins of the male, and so, in the Word of God, the seed is in the loins of the fathers, never in the mothers.

A soul/person does not exist in the loins of a female Adam, but in the loins of the male Adam person, only.
A female Adam person cannot carry seed of an Adam person, for only the male carries the seed which are ordained to come to fruit in their season, out of the loins of the male Adam.
The souls of the Adam creation are in the loins of the male Adam, only. There is no human being seed of a woman -period!
out of the loins of the male, all human being souls have come, and existed as seed in the Adam male loins, from the beginning, numbered and named in the Book of Life to come forth by the Adam spirit, in their pre-ordained season, boundaried by their pre-ordained days.
That is Bible doctrine, if you will go study it for yourself.
 
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Riberra, the Seed of the Woman is Christ the Living Spirit.
That is the doctrine of the Word, and the Woman is Jerusalem above, the City of God, and Jesus says whoever does the will of God is His mother and brother, and the City is spiritual Zion, the heavenly City being built of the living stones as they are adopted into the Living Spirit who is come in flesh as the Seed of the Woman, and it is He who is come in flesh who is the Chief Foundation Stone laid in Zion, to build that City, the City of God, upon.
The Woman, the City of God, is to be built up for the Glory by the adopted sons of God being made the pillars and and stones of it; then, when it is built up, the Glory enters.

and a human being woman does not carry the bloodline. The father determines the line, not the mother.
If you read my post correctly i said the bloodline of Adam and Eve.Seth was chosed by God rather than Cain for an obvious reason.

Genesis 5

The seed of Satan is the evil generation, those who have received the lies of the tempter and sold their souls to doing and promoting the lies against God's Truth.

And no, Cain's bloodline did not survive the flood,
You have based your claim on the Book of Jasher which is not part of the Bible.
How do you explain that the Kenites which are descendants of Cain have survived the Flood cited right here in Genesis 15:19 |?

Answer:
It was God's will that at least one of the descendants of Cain was on the Ark to fullfill the prophecy of Genesis 3:15.
I postulated that a possible explanation is that at least one of the wife of Noah's sons was probably a Kenite descendant of Cain.

Genesis 3:15
15 “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.“

Listen to the Words of your Father, He does not lie, he placed “enmity” that is “hostility” between what? Satan’s “seed” and Eve’s “seed,” which is Strong’s word 2233 meaning “child“. Satan’s “seed” and the “seed” of man is sperm (documented below). God placed a division between the “seed“, the literal flesh offspring of Satan and the literal offspring of Eve.

This is the first prophecy in the Bible. Satan’s “seed“, his children would bruise Christ’s heel which happened on the Cross, but Christ will bruise Satan’s head upon His return. Ultimately it will be the death blow for Satan when he is turned into ashes from within (Ezekiel 28:18).

These are the scribes and high priests descendants of the Kenites who decided that Jesus must die ...and chosed to free Barabas.
1 Chronicles 2:55
And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites
that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.


Lets see what Strong concordance give us about the word Kenites ::Qeni or Qini: members of the tribe of Kenites.... from Qayin

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/7017.htm

Qeni or Qini: members of the tribe of Kenites
Original Word: קַ֫יִן
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: Qeni or Qini
Phonetic Spelling: (kay-nee')
Short Definition: Kenite
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from Qayin


http://biblehub.com/hebrew/7014.htm
◄ 7014. Qayin ►

III. קַ֫יִן proper name, masculine Cain, Kain eldest son of Adam and Eve (explanation Genesis 4:1 from קָנָה acquire; but in fact = II. ׳ק, as heros eponymos, according to Wecompare11 StaG 285 ff. BuUrg. 193 HolzGenesis 50f. especially StaZAW xiv (1894), 250 ff.; xv (1895), 157 ff., CheEncy.Bib.CAIN); — ׳ק Genesis 4:1,2,3,5 (twice in verse); Genesis 4:8 (twice in verse); Genesis 4:9,13,15 (twice in verse); Genesis 4:16,17, קָ֑יִן Genesis 4:6; Genesis 4:24; Genesis 4:25 (all J).

KENITES in the KJV Bible

Genesis 15:19 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,

Numbers 24:21 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And he looked on the Kenites, and took up his parable, and said, Strong is thy dwellingplace, and thou puttest thy nest in a rock.

Judges 4:11 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.

1 Samuel 15:6 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And Saul said unto the Kenites, Go, depart, get you down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them: for ye shewed kindness to all the children of Israel, when they came up out of Egypt. So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites.

1 Samuel 27:10 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And Achish said, Whither have ye made a road to day? And David said, Against the south of Judah, and against the south of the Jerahmeelites, and against the south of the Kenites.

1 Samuel 30:29 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And to them which were in Rachal, and to them which were in the cities of the Jerahmeelites, and to them which were in the cities of the Kenites,

1 Chronicles 2:55
And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.
 
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Clearly most readers are not expected by God to compile this information.
So it should not be done.
The descriptions of the earth are of an "old" earth in scripture.
An old earth I agree. I also believe Genesis is not concerned about the time.
 
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An old earth I agree. I also believe Genesis is not concerned about the time.
Me neither.
I have no idea how old my great grandfather was
and I don't know if he did either. And I wonder how
relevant he thought it was. Or anybody.
 
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A female Adam gives genetic information for building the house/flesh body, that each soul which comes to fruit in the Adam being kind in the womb of the mother will indwell, but the female can be any female that contributes to the building of the specific soul's house/flesh body which is built in the womb at conception, but the seed only comes from the loins of the male, and so, in the Word of God, the seed is in the loins of the fathers, never in the mothers. A soul/person does not exist in the loins of a female Adam, but in the loins of the male Adam person, only.

But you can be sure that the writers of scripture understood
from raising animals that the male has no preferential
advantage in the bloodlines of the offspring.
 
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Me neither.
I have no idea how old my great grandfather was
and I don't know if he did either. And I wonder how
relevant he thought it was. Or anybody.
Hmmm. I know many can get caught up in debates on how old the earth is, granted it is challenging at times and fun, but it is important not to loose sight of God and His creation and plans. These we can clearly see, well through a glass dimly, but we can see.
 
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An old earth I agree. I also believe Genesis is not concerned about the time.

Then why are days listed and why are those days bracketed with morning and evening? The context clearly reads 24 hour days.
 
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Then why are days listed and why are those days bracketed with morning and evening?
There not bracketed as morning and evening. They are evening and morning.

When The Spirit was hovering over the waters it was darkness, God called forth the light and separated the darkness from the light and called the darkness night and the light day.
God used these words "night and day to set an order". Consider day 1, according to young earth believers, is that all God did in a 24 hour period is separate the darkness from the light? Consider the second day, is that all God did was separate the waters from the waters? and then end the 2end day?

Is that all God was able to do in a 24 hour period, did he just hang around for the remainder of the day before moving on to the next? Now of course we know God could have just spoke these things, as He did, which would happen instantly, so, say it took 1 sec for these things to happen each day, what did God do for the remaining 23.99 hours of the day? He didn't rest, that wasn't until the 7th day.


The context clearly reads 24 hour days.
Really? Show me where? I don't see it.
 
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There not bracketed as morning and evening. They are evening and morning.

When The Spirit was hovering over the waters it was darkness, God called forth the light and separated the darkness from the light and called the darkness night and the light day.
God used these words "night and day to set an order". Consider day 1, according to young earth believers, is that all God did in a 24 hour period is separate the darkness from the light? Consider the second day, is that all God did was separate the waters from the waters? and then end the 2end day?

Is that all God was able to do in a 24 hour period, did he just hang around for the remainder of the day before moving on to the next?


Really? Show me where? I don't see it.
Whatever the case we see a progression through 6 days, and by the seventh day everything is completed, and God rested. There are passages in scripture about those who will not enter God's rest and passages where there are those who do. So, where do you see the 7th day ending?

If the 7th day continues as scripture seems to teach, it's a good indication that the previous days are time periods, not 6 24hour periods.
 
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There not bracketed as morning and evening. They are evening and morning.

When The Spirit was hovering over the waters it was darkness, God called forth the light and separated the darkness from the light and called the darkness night and the light day.
God used these words "night and day to set an order". Consider day 1, according to young earth believers, is that all God did in a 24 hour period is separate the darkness from the light? Consider the second day, is that all God did was separate the waters from the waters? and then end the 2end day?

Is that all God was able to do in a 24 hour period, did he just hang around for the remainder of the day before moving on to the next? Now of course we know God could have just spoke these things, as He did, which would happen instantly, so, say it took 1 sec for these things to happen each day, what did God do for the remaining 23.99 hours of the day? He didn't rest, that wasn't until the 7th day.


Really? Show me where? I don't see it.

FH, it's what the bible says. Just because you don't want God "hanging around" doesn't mean you get your wish..the bible must be wrong.
 
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