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Where is a "6000 year old earth" found in scripture?
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The verse says....13"You were in Eden, the garden of God;.....then describes Satan in an unfallen state. What can I say?
You seem to enjoy disregarding scripture. In fact you also did it with "Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten a man with the help of the LORD"....when you claimed Satan was Cains daddy.
....so now I have two verses I need to remove from the bible to make your theology acceptable.
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Riberra
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Pretty simple, the stuff of the earth was desolate. No form and void. God had to start somewhere. Like a potter with a blob of clay....
Just for the record...922. isn't quite as you put it.
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From your link
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/922.htm
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
emptiness, void
From an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin -- emptiness, void.
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From your link
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/922.htm
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
emptiness, void
From an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin -- emptiness, void.[/QUOTE]
You can translate anyway you want to....but as previouslt mentioned..there is no compelling reason to translate using your definition.
Now, if the bible talked about a previous earth...and Genesis was called Re-Genesis you might have a point.
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Riberra
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Satan was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and the serpent That mean that Satan's was already in a state of fall.
God wanted to see if Adam and Eve will fall for Satan's deception rather than obey Him...with the consequence that we know.
You don't have to thrown any verses, you have to read them in their original language...not from bad translations.If you are happy with the apple story go for it.
What happened in the Garden of Eden? Mainstream Christianity has taught us since we were a child Eve’s sin in the Garden was her eating an apple. Yet, the word apple is not found in the entire book of Genesis.
Example:
http://www.worldeventsandthebible.com/2013/10/the-garden-of-eden-origins-of-satans.html
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Riberra
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The Bible does not talk about a "previous" Earth but about a previous STATE of the Earth which was created perfect in Genesis 1:1 which became a desolation....
http://www.worldeventsandthebible.com/2009/11/world-that-then-was-age-of-earth.html
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Satan was the tree? Yeh, OK.
Satan: Hey Eve, see that tree over there in the middle? It's not really there.
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Riberra
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How can a real tree may have the knowledge of good and evil ?...we have also a speaking serpent (Satan)
Have you ever read about symbolism used in the Bible ?
If you want to educate yourself ...go out of the apple story ...and read the Bible in the original language.
What happened in the Garden of Eden? Mainstream Christianity has taught us since we were a child Eve’s sin in the Garden was her eating an apple. Yet, the word apple is not found in the entire book of Genesis. This apple teaching is another tradition of man which makes void the Word of God. Deception in the church should come as no surprise to us. Satan has had a firm grip on the church since times of old and it has only gotten worse. Two-thousand years ago Paul would document the wickedness of Satan at hand, “the mystery of iniquity doth already work,” (2 Thessalonians 2:7).
http://www.worldeventsandthebible.com/2013/10/the-garden-of-eden-origins-of-satans.html
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I was always taught it was a fruit....not an apple. Nothing in the bible suggest it was an apple.
Then again it could have been an apple....but the actual fruit is unknown.
I do find it kinda strange how you would complain about calling the fruit an apple...when you tell us Cain wasn't Adams son.
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Riberra
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The "fruit" is not a fruit at all.
Why God have not chosen Cain to be the lineage through which Jesus will be born ?God have a good reason ...
The answer is in the Original Hebrew Bible verses :
http://www.worldeventsandthebible.com/2013/10/the-garden-of-eden-origins-of-satans.html
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From your link:
Genesis 3:8
8 “And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.”
They hid themselves because they were ashamed of the sexual act they let themselves be deceived into by the father of lies, Satan.
......now just where does the bible say eating an apple is a sexual act?
Genesis 3:8
8 “And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.”
They hid themselves because they were ashamed of the sexual act they let themselves be deceived into by the father of lies, Satan.
......now just where does the bible say eating an apple is a sexual act?
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Riberra
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Symbolism.
From the forbidden "fruit" there is the "seed".... Gen 3:15 -And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;....-
Genesis 3:14-15
13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Are you still sure that the seed come from a "fruit" or rather that the subject under discussion is about more serious matters ?
What have really hapened in the Garden of Eden ?
http://www.worldeventsandthebible.com/2013/10/the-garden-of-eden-origins-of-satans.html
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Also from the link:
13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.”
“Beguiled” is Strong’s word 5377 and it means “seduce.” We already documented the serpent is Satan and he literally sexually seduced Eve. Do you understand what happens when you seduce a woman?
......sooooooo, beguiled.
Isaiah 37:10 “Thus shall you speak to Hezekiah king of Judah: ‘Do not let your God in whom you trust deceive you by promising that Jerusalem will not be given into the hand of the king of Assyria.
Perhaps we should translate that same word as sexually seduced?
Jer 4:10 also uses the word.....Then I said, “Ah, Lord GOD, surely you have utterly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, ‘It shall be well with you,’ whereas the sword has reached their very life.”
Should we also change it to sexually seduced?
The bible also mentions the deception of Eve in the NT. Here the word means:
Short Definition: I deceive, lead into error
Definition: I deceive, cheat, lead into error.
1st Tim 2:14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.
Was Paul saying it wasn't Adam wo was sexually seduced but rather Eve who was sexually seduced?
Once again we is it in 2 Cor 11:3;
But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
Here a completely diferent word is used....1818. exapataó.
BOTH accounts presented in the New Testament don't refer to a sexual seduced Eve.
13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.”
“Beguiled” is Strong’s word 5377 and it means “seduce.” We already documented the serpent is Satan and he literally sexually seduced Eve. Do you understand what happens when you seduce a woman?
......sooooooo, beguiled.
Isaiah 37:10 “Thus shall you speak to Hezekiah king of Judah: ‘Do not let your God in whom you trust deceive you by promising that Jerusalem will not be given into the hand of the king of Assyria.
Perhaps we should translate that same word as sexually seduced?
Jer 4:10 also uses the word.....Then I said, “Ah, Lord GOD, surely you have utterly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, ‘It shall be well with you,’ whereas the sword has reached their very life.”
Should we also change it to sexually seduced?
The bible also mentions the deception of Eve in the NT. Here the word means:
Short Definition: I deceive, lead into error
Definition: I deceive, cheat, lead into error.
1st Tim 2:14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.
Was Paul saying it wasn't Adam wo was sexually seduced but rather Eve who was sexually seduced?
Once again we is it in 2 Cor 11:3;
But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
Here a completely diferent word is used....1818. exapataó.
BOTH accounts presented in the New Testament don't refer to a sexual seduced Eve.
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Riberra
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The post below will destroy your post above.....
Matthew 13:34-35
34 “All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.“
As we have documented, Christ spoke in parables because it is not meant for everyone to understand the whole truth of God’s Word. This is the other half of the Key of David and God’s Elect will understand. Christ thought this subject was so important, He is going to give the literal meaning of this parable to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. Pray once again asking God for wisdom and understanding.
Matthew 13:36
36 “Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.“
Listen, Christ is about to give us the literal meaning of the parable.
Matthew 13:37-42
37 “He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.”
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
Those are the very Words of Jesus Christ. Remember, the word “seed” in these verses is “sperma,” we are talking about male sperm. Christ just explained to us Satan’s “seed“, his sperm brought forth children who live among the children of God in the world today. Because of their evil fruit, their works, they shall be gathered by the angels of Christ and cast into the lake of fire at the end of this earth age. It does not get any more plain than that.
Do you know them? Do you know who the children of Satan are?
Matthew 13:42
43 “Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
The righteous children of God shine forth as we are the children of light. We ensure our lamps have oil allowing them to burn continually, providing the very light which dispels the darkness that has covered this “mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints,” (Colossians 1:26).
Has it been made manifest to you? Do you have eyes to see? Do you have ears to hear?
From the link that you have obviously not read.
http://www.worldeventsandthebible.com/2013/10/the-garden-of-eden-origins-of-satans.html
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That seed would be the spiritual descendents of Satan.
John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Eph 2:2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience
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