Yahu_
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LOL, I am just explaining the Greek term Tartarus as Peter used it. There are Christian myths just as their are pagan myths. People interpret scripture thru a preconceived bias.You speak of immortal titans from the previous age and say what I have presented is myth???
In all fairness we may have some agreement here but that remains to be seen until I have heard more about what you believe about these “titans”.
I just think the Greek legend of the titans is the Greek pre-flood myths about the angels that were locked up. Even in the Greek myths four angels fought on the side of right to help imprison those titans but we also have four more angels bound at the Euphrates and we know by the Greek myths that those four Olympians also fell into error of having children but it was later.
We know the ancient paganism and rebellion post flood against Noah's authority was at Babel, at the Euphrates where we have four more angels bound.
I see the Greek era of the titans as the period pre-flood and the 'golden age' of the gods is post flood until Babel. They just have their own myths about it from their religious texts.
ALL the paganism of the ancient world was the worship of the same group of pagan deities. We are just more familiar with the Greek myths and the NT uses the Greek terms and the Greek language.
Revelation even gives the Greek name of the 'king of the abyss' as Apollyon! That is an alternate spelling of Apollo. Lucifer is a Latin reference to the ancient pagan sun god. The Romans even called Apollo's twin sister Artemis by the name Diana Luciferah and the 'seat of Satan' in Pergamos was the Alter of Zeus that is now in the Berlin Museum.
Peter equates the prison of the titans with the pre-flood angels that sinned.
Are you familiar with the other ancient pagan religions of Babylon, Syria, Phoenicia (Canaanite)? I am.
The Babylonians have many references to the pre-flood days and the Apkallu that taught mankind and about the four post-flood Apkallu, the divine rivers that watered paradise that continued to teach man after the flood and Babylon was the repository of that teaching. BTW, Babylon and Babel are the same word in Hebrew. It is in English that we separate it into two different words implying pre verses post Tower era. Isn't it interesting that scripture also has four 'rivers' that watered Eden and one of them was called Euphrates and scripture even calls angelic beings 'waters above'.
I see the four angels bound at the Euphrates as the four 'rivers' of Eden that were not apart of the pre-flood watchers but helped to imprison them. They were the guardians of Eden that kept man out after the fall. They were Yah's appointed representatives on the earth but post flood also fell into error of having children.
Most of your commentaries and such are very outdated. Within recent years mass amounts of cuneiform clay tablets of ancient texts have been translated. There is so much more we know about the ancient pagan religions of those days now. The common doctrines followed today that Lucifer was some super angel that fell and led a major revolt in heaven and took 1/3 of the angels with him is rooted in early church father doctrine that was not held by the Jews of the NT period. It is myth that has been accepted as fact by the church. It is one of the great deceptions to make the enemy appear to be even greater then he is. Once you realize that the current Satan is just the ghost of a dead half-breed nephlim... an evil spirit that appears as an angel of light not an actual angel, he is not so great. Deceiving the church into making him greater then he is is one of his greatest achievements.
Peter and Jude both reference the angels being in prison but Jude goes on to mention a quote from Enoch then quotes out of the book of Enoch. If you are not familiar with the books of Enoch, I suggest you read them. It was common knowledge of the day and Enoch was a common book in the synagogues. Many copies were found among the dead sea scrolls including fragments of the 'book of giants'.
You have to take scripture in the context of the cultural knowledge of the audience, not of the cultural knowledge of our society. Peter's audience knew exactly what he meant by referencing the fallen angels with Tartarus.
The problems with myths is they tend to be a mixture of truth and lies. But people forget that even pagan myths may have a kernel of truth behind some of it.
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